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midnightwalker

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I had a hose break and now need to know what hydraulic or trans hydraulic fluid type to put in this tractor. I had a 5 gallon bucket of 303 Trans hydraulic fluid I bought at Orscheln years ago but unsure if this is the proper fluid to use? I even read a bit of a lawsuit concerning this product causing damage? Dealers in my area seem to be clueless so I am reaching out, needing HELP!!!
 
Correct oil is 15w40 hydraulic transmission oil. Agco still offers it and so does CenPeCo dont have the Agco number handy can post it tomorrow. Or it will be ok if you use a good quantity universal
transmission/hydraulic oil.
 
(quoted from post at 19:46:19 07/05/21) Any premium tractor hydraulic fluid should work fine . Does
your tractor have the powershift
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No, it does not have powershift. hmmm or perhaps it does? There is another lever that shows 20% which the dealer at the time told me that means 20% more power. Is that correct?

The more I read about the 303 fluid I bought from Orscheln years ago it sounds to be a very poor quality oil. All this leading me to not to use it and buy new?
 
I have used it I things it shouldnt go in before but its the
lowest quality you can get . Its better than running it low if
your in an emergency like Sunday and no other oil available
and you need the tractor .
 
Wow, you have a bunch of jokers around there for dealers. An Agco dealer should be able to help you. 20% more power? Did you have to put on your boots?

The tractor has an available 2-speed powershift.

Hopefully you have an owner/operator manual on the way.

If you search youtube there is a factory promotional video for your tractor.
 
You can use 303 or whatever cheaper trans-hydraulic fluid you can find in that.

It does not have any powershift. It is a simple 8 speed transmission. Left lever has hi-low and reverse, and right lever is synchronized 1-2-3-4.

Even if it did have powershift (which at 40 pto hp would be quite a unit for the time), it would not matter because the hydraulic oil is not shared with the transmission. The hydraulics have a reservoir separate from the transmission. You will fill your hydraulic reservoir behind/under the seat. There is a plastic cap with a dipstick as part of it. That oil is only used for the hydraulics and the power steering.

AGCO dealers should know about these machines, but time has flown by and many of those who were there at that time have retired. AGCO has 'leftover' parts, but AGCO hardly supplies parts to its products that they made only 15 years ago! There are dealers that sell new Deutz-Fahr tractors and they would be able to provide more support (and much cheaper prices if you need parts). You can search on the internet. The 2 I have worked with are really helpful with the old ones. I don't like to mention the name of my dealer in Wisconsin too much cause they are small and I do not want to overwhelm them, but they sold Deutz tractors since the 70s and know all of them old and new inside and out and could help you with anything you would happen to need.
 
(quoted from post at 04:55:55 07/06/21) You can use 303 or whatever cheaper trans-hydraulic fluid you can find in that.

It does not have any powershift. It is a simple 8 speed transmission. Left lever has hi-low and reverse, and right lever is synchronized 1-2-3-4.

Even if it did have powershift (which at 40 pto hp would be quite a unit for the time), it would not matter because the hydraulic oil is not shared with the transmission. The hydraulics have a reservoir separate from the transmission. You will fill your hydraulic reservoir behind/under the seat. There is a plastic cap with a dipstick as part of it. That oil is only used for the hydraulics and the power steering.

AGCO dealers should know about these machines, but time has flown by and many of those who were there at that time have retired. AGCO has 'leftover' parts, but AGCO hardly supplies parts to its products that they made only 15 years ago! There are dealers that sell new Deutz-Fahr tractors and they would be able to provide more support (and much cheaper prices if you need parts). You can search on the internet. The 2 I have worked with are really helpful with the old ones. I don't like to mention the name of my dealer in Wisconsin too much cause they are small and I do not want to overwhelm them, but they sold Deutz tractors since the 70s and know all of them old and new inside and out and could help you with anything you would happen to need.
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OK, I talked with a Allis Dealer and he recommended either the Agco #821XL or New Holland 134G hydraulic fluid. Problem is I don't have a dealer in my area that sells either! I DO have a Napa close by that says their Napa brand #85405 is just as good if not better...BUT...is it really? What do you think???
 
Yes the NAPA fluid will be fine. The 303 will be fine also.

As I said that is strictly oil for hydraulic system only, with a simple Bosch/Rexroth gear pump. Does not need anything special at all. We have owned a 6260 (6240's big brother)with loader since new (its usefulness depends on hydraulics) and have used only 303 or whatever cheap trans hydraulic fluid in it all its life. Also have a 68 06 which is basically same system.

Even use the cheapest oil in the 100 and 130 o6's that do share oil with transmission. Remember that the quality of the oil was not as good as even the cheap stuff now. 303 is basically what they had back then so no reason to fear. If this is the first time you have had to add hydraulic fluid to the 6240 you must be very new to it or you have some good cylinders/hoses/fittings/etc that do not have any leaks! I wish I were that lucky!
 

THANKS for all your valued experience and thoughts! I have owned the tractor now for about 30 years that I use everyday so I guess I have been VERY lucky as this is my first hydraulic problem!
 
You deserve credit, that is a good catch....

However:

It does mention the dual split option at about 5:16, but that it not powershift. It is an extra high-low with the column mounted lever that is as mentioned fully synchronized (regular gearshift lever is synchronized anyway) that can be performed on the roll. You can see he is clutching when he shifts it.

I have never seen one with that feature and honestly did not know about it. I cannot recall it in the paper literature I have but will have to double check. I will have to dig up our owners manual also. It would not be a bad feature. If you have a machine with that it a rare unit for sure. With 8 speed there are definitely some speed gaps that could be filled. Always considered 12 the minimum. That extra Hi-Lo would make 16 which would be ok.
 
Ah, the way they were talking about it I figured it was a TA/Dual Power/Mulitpower/HydraulShift type of deal. Noticed the guy clutching to shift it, but didn't think much of it.

Another fine detail that meshes with the OP's observation is the "20%" on the dash next to the lever.

20% gear reduction, not 20% more power. If we could just keep pushing a "20% more power" button, why would we need bigger tractors? Push the 20% button 40 times or so on your little 40HP Deutz, and grow it into a 600HP Quadratrac, LOL
 

Not sure you will see my new question but here it is. I have tracked down my hydraulic leak to a bad leaky hose. It is worn and needs replacing. It shares the hydraulic system with the power steering and the front loader and not sure if anything else but I don't think so. So my question is there is a local hydraulic shop within 10 mins of me that says he will build most any hose needed. Mine goes from the banjo fitting to a metal tubing, to rubber hose back to the metal tubing and then couples to another metal tubing that I did not trace where that goes. The local hydraulic shop started talking about using multiple adapters that I did not like or want to do. SO, I am back to thinking maybe I can buy the exact replacement hose from some source, maybe a Deutz Fahr dealership but unsure really where to begin as googling produces WAY too many options to track down. I live in SE Indiana and it would be great to find some where close. Your thoughts?
 
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