OT__Diesel truck engines

Frank(Mi.) · May 13, 2021

A guy near me has a real nice 08 F350 with the dreaded 6.4 power stroke engine with a lifter going out. That means the engine is toast and a replacement is around 13 thousand. Auto trans and did I say the truck is really nice condition? lol Anybody know what other engines would work without a whole lot of problems? Cummins 5.9, or regular gas engine maybe? 436 International ? Some of you guys must have seen or even done something like this before right?

Farmer Rock · May 13, 2021

If you wanted a basically bolt in swap, the Cummins have all the adapters and brackets needed,but everybody and there uncle is doing a cummins swap. They may not matter to you, but if you want to do something different look into dt360 swaps. The international dt360 is a 5.9 liter inline 6 just like the cummins, but is more stout. It really depends how deep you want to get into this. The ford new holland 6.6 liter inline 6 is also a good engine too.

Rock

Sprint 6 · May 13, 2021

Anything can be put in, if you have enough money. To do it right and make all the electronics happy, you'll have more than $13K in parts and labor. Unless you have an electronic Cummins laying around with all bits, and he is paying you to take the truck, you'll never come out ahead. Most of these types of swaps end up in an unusable, unsellable mess. If all you want it to do is go down the road, a P pump 5.9 could be installed. But the Ford automatic won't work, no speedometer, no cruise, no air conditioning, etc. The money comes to make all the electronics jive. By far the cheapest option, is just putting it back stock. I agree that it seems a shame, but there are thousands of really nice 6.4 Powerstroke trucks in salvage yards. I really like the 08 up body style, but '08-'10 is saddled with one of the worst diesel engines of all time.

RayP(MI) · May 13, 2021

Run don't walk!

wore out · May 13, 2021

?

How are you proposing to control the electronically-shifted transmission after the swap?

DRussell · May 13, 2021

Contact Bill Hewitt at Powerstrokehelp.com. As the others have said, it won't be cheap, but it is doable.
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Fritz Maurer · May 13, 2021

...and the DT360 has sleeves, sounds better and actually idles.

Michael Soldan · May 13, 2021

Can this engine not be repaired. Maybe I don't understand but replacing a lifter/cam isn't all that hard. Why does he think it is toast ?

Sprint 6 · May 13, 2021

Bill posted a video on YouTube a few months ago telling people not to ship him 6.4 trucks anymore. Says he is about of buildable cores for the 6.4.

Sprint 6 · May 13, 2021

The problem with just fixing the valve train on a 6.4 is all the other issues with that engine. Cam replacement is a cab off, engine teardown proposition, so you pay rebuild labor, but only have new valve train. A 6.4 over 150K miles is a time bomb of other issues. Valve rocker/cam failure, front cover cavatation holes, injection pump/injector failure, cracked pistons, oil cooler plugging, cracked up pipes, etc., need more? The 6.4 is almost like somebody said the 6.0 couldn't be worse and International took the bet.

Janicholson · May 13, 2021

By it cheap and do this to it in preparation for the future. Jim
E conversion.

Destroked 450 · May 13, 2021

(quoted from post at 06:13:01 05/13/21) Anything can be put in, if you have enough money. To do it right and make all the electronics happy, you'll have more than $13K in parts and labor. Unless you have an electronic Cummins laying around with all bits, and he is paying you to take the truck, you'll never come out ahead. Most of these types of swaps end up in an unusable, unsellable mess. If all you want it to do is go down the road, a P pump 5.9 could be installed. But the Ford automatic won't work, no speedometer, no cruise, no air conditioning, etc. The money comes to make all the electronics jive. By far the cheapest option, is just putting it back stock. I agree that it seems a shame, but there are thousands of really nice 6.4 Powerstroke trucks in salvage yards. I really like the 08 up body style, but '08-'10 is saddled with one of the worst diesel engines of all time.

Mine didnt end up as a unusable mess and no way Id sell it
Diesel Conversion Specialist is a good place to check on swaps

The 5.9 or 6.7 Cummins is a good choice due to its size and weight along with a large availability of aftermarket swap parts
The DT 360 and 466 are great engines but their larger size and weight make the swap more difficult
I have seen a couple of swaps using a JD and Perkins engine but there very little support to make those engines work with the Ford automatic transmission
I had thought about a 6.6 or 7.8 Ford swap until I replaced a 7.8 water pump in a tilt hood L model Ford truck
No way Id want to do that job in a pickup
Cost to do a Cummins to Ford automatic transmission swap will cost nearly as much as replacing the 6.0 or 6.4 engine, but youll have a much more dependable engine afterward
Some states emissions laws require the replacement engine to be the same year as the truck its going in

Sprint 6 · May 13, 2021

Your truck is no comparison to the truck
in question, Destroked. Your 2004 back
truck is a whole different animal than the
'08 up Ford in question. '08 has a laid
back radiator that would limit engine bay
real estate for an inline engine. The 08
up trucks also have heavily integrated
electronics that rely heavily on
communication signals from other modules
to function, IPC displays gauge reading
provided by the ECM instead of direct
sensors, etc. Not saying it can't be
done, and I would love to see it done, but
it would be a labor of love project that
would eat up the better part of $20K to do
it correctly. Definitely would not end up
with a cheap diesel truck out of it.

Destroked 450 · May 13, 2021

Yes I know their very different, there are two 08/newer Ford Cummins swaps that I know of.
One was on Comp-D and had fixed up a real nice 09 Ford with a late model 6.7 cummins
The other is on the Cummins Diesel Forum with a 2010 he's swapping a 12 valve Cummins in.

matthies · May 13, 2021

Looked good till I seen the K&N filter, cousin dusted an engine because of the filter failing.

SVcummins · May 13, 2021

My cousin has an f450 with a 6.4 15000.00$ later hes got a truck again

Destroked 450 · May 13, 2021

(quoted from post at 20:55:31 05/13/21) Looked good till I seen the K&N filter, cousin dusted an engine because of the filter failing.

Not a K&N, AFE Pro Guard 7 but it's not on there anymore, swapped on a Motorcraft severe duty air box that uses a filter similar to 6.0 filter media.
Didn't like washing and reoiling filters every few thousand miles.

T in NE · May 14, 2021

If you don't mind a manual, the f650 and f750 used a version of the ZF6 with a bolt-on bellhousing, allowing it to be used behind the C7 and ISB.
The option allows some electronics to be taken out of the equation.

Frank(Mi.) · May 15, 2021

Well thanks for the info you guys. Think I'll just have to take a pass on this one. For the money I could find one without the issues...

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