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Vicinalvictor

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In reference to the out of control virus in India, I was thinking about the many types of equipment that are built there, especially John Deere tractors, combine harvesters and implements, and wondering if there is going to be a shortage now. Your thoughts?
 
(quoted from post at 05:34:22 04/26/21) That ship sailed a long time ago. All big business cares about is making a profit.
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If you don't make a profit, then you don't stay in business.

Imagine how expensive things would be if everything was made in the United States. It's hard enough to farm as it is. Nobody could afford to farm at all. The government would control the food supply, and that would be bad for everyone.
 
Some of the Deere 5E series is built in India. Any harvesting equipment built there is for world markets. Most of the combines sold in North America are built in Moline, Il. A few are built in Germany.

Aside from that, all the manufacturers are dealing with supply disruptions, no matter where the parts are sourced from. Keep in mind, producers had enough equipment to operate last year. They can do it again this year, new machinery or not.
 
The government does control the food supply through subsidies, lending, and environmental regulation. Any politicians that go to Washington with the goal of being rid
of them are taken to a darkened corner room and told ample food equals political stability. Nothing further is said about getting rid of government involvement in
agriculture.
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:03 04/26/21) We should not be dealing with those ********* or any other of them anyway. Our own fault.
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(quoted from post at 09:34:22 04/26/21) That ship sailed a long time ago. All big business cares about is making a profit.
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Do not forget the north american stock investors that demand those profits and dividends.

Them, you and I are also to blame for "big business" moving production overseas.
 
The current population of India in 2021 is 1,393,409,038, a 0.97% increase from 2020.
Equipment shortages / parts ?.....definitely....

Bob..
 
Kind of ironic, UPS just came, delivered a drum pump, a Lincoln, based in the USA. The pump was made in India.
 
Is India a big trading partner with the US? We do much more trade with China, Canada and Mexico.
 
Our local Newholland dealership sold all new tractors they had and were told not to expect new inventory till at least March 2022
 
(quoted from post at 07:34:22 04/26/21) That ship sailed a long time ago. All big business cares about is making a profit.
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Do you not understand that a public corporation is REQUIRED BY LAW to maximize return for shareholders? You make it sound like making a profit is a bad thing, but in most corporate cases it is required.

Profit is a wonderful word - and it has been responsible for fueling the capitalist engine that made the USA the envy of the rest of the world. I suppose there are third world countries that would welcome you if you have skills and wish to go there.

As to the original post, there are more than enough folks in India to fill in for any that fall out sick or dead.
 
(quoted from post at 13:34:22 04/26/21) That ship sailed a long time ago. All big business cares about is making a profit.
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International, Oliver, Minni Mo, Case, New Idea, etc.
They are no longer around as they did not make a profit, think about that.
 
New Idea went obsolete. Most of their products were irrelevant by 1990. IH had profit issues but a lot of the problem stemmed from management lacking a unified
vision. MM never grew from being not much more than an upper Midwest company. Oliver was mismanaged. A little more complex on average than basic profitability.
Before Tenneco came along Ford looked at IH but the truck divisions made it unpalatable for Ford to take the next step. So there were worthwhile aspects to IH for
outsiders.
 
(quoted from post at 11:34:46 04/26/21) New Idea went obsolete. Most of their products were irrelevant by 1990. IH had profit issues but a lot of the problem stemmed from management lacking a unified
vision. MM never grew from being not much more than an upper Midwest company. Oliver was mismanaged. A little more complex on average than basic profitability.
Before Tenneco came along Ford looked at IH but the truck divisions made it unpalatable for Ford to take the next step. So there were worthwhile aspects to IH for
outsiders.
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Profitability issues are always caused by SOMETHING. They don't just happen on their own.

Also, Tenneco didn't buy the truck division. Why would Ford have had to?
 
Ford wanted to buy it for the 6.9L and 7.3L engines and had plans for the D360. They also wanted to become more of a full line truck producer by having the IH Paystar
which was used for heavy off road applications like cement trucks. The IH truck division is where things went south for a Ford involvement with IH. That was the point
where government anti-trust issues would have jumped up. The fit with IH ag was pretty good but it was never made public as to if Ford or IH would have stopped making
tractors with such a merger. Speculation was that IH was far enough along in 1983 when talks were had on the quiet with the 18 speed power shift that the Farmall Works
would have been kept going. Talk of an IH - Ford merger died after a month or so in 1983. It was not long after that that Sperry wanted to shift gears including unloading
New Holland. Out in your part of NY you had a few strong Ford Ag dealers but around here their dealers were fading so an IH merger would have helped some on the
retail end.
 
The only John Deere tractors that are built in India are the cheap price point models sold to offer junk that can compete with Kubota cnh - fiat new holland models and things coyote and mahindra
 
Ford wanted the 5.9 Cummins but they wanted to build it in house so dodge ended up with it. When White was going under cummins was going to but the truck division of the government stopped it.
 
Was the 5.9 out in early 1983? My understanding was that Ford got frustrated in short order at the prospect of an anti-trust investigation-suit by the federal government. There was no way to cherry pick the truck division and have interested buyers in what they did not want. Also, it was likely that they would have had to spin off or cease production of part of the tractor line. At one point I had heard if that if the merger happened the new company would have only built tractors from 60-180HP. In the end without any formal reporting on it my belief was that Ford just decided that there were easier ways to grow their farm equipment division. One rumor was that they considered going to JD for products just as they did with White on tillage and planting along with IH on hay and forage. I always wondered how far that got. I don't think that anything ever came out of IH about a Ford inquiry. Most of it seemed to come out of the heavy truck world in general.
 
More than a few combines are built in Grand Island NE, and then a few more are built in Hessten Kansas, the ones built in Moline are only a small part of national production.
 
In 1981 I worked on a team designing the final assembly line for a new series of small 3,4 and 6 cylinder Cummins engines. The customer was Consolidated Diesel Corporation, a joint venture between Case and Cummins. I think it went to a new plant in North Carolina (Whitaker or Rocky Mount area?) and was installed in 1982.
 
Totally wrong statement, on Oliver anyway. They had terrible management which led to their demise. There were once over
2000 dealers in the US before White began breaking up contracts, so they did not have the issues Moline had with
networking.
 
right

White was Oliver's problem. and the unions in the 1950's that really hit Oliver and Studebacker. Stude never recovered and the Oliver family wasn't really replacing themselves either (there are no Olivers left. just the Cunninghams) so i think the family wanted out of the business dealings and White was there to pick it up.

THEN Allied signal was the nail in the coffin for White and pretty much every other company they bought, dismantled, run into the ground the sold.

there was a wee bit of hope with New Idea and White combo but as others said, NI was getting obsolete as far as their product line focused mostly on the small/mid-sized classic family farms not the BTO type outfits. Same as Gehl. We were working on some new bigger stuff but Gehl management was a bit late to the game and eventually that's probably why they got out of the Ag business.
 
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(quoted from post at 07:34:22 04/26/21) That ship sailed a long time ago. All big business cares about is making a profit.
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Do you not understand that a public corporation is REQUIRED BY LAW to maximize return for shareholders? You make it sound like making a profit is a bad thing, but in most corporate cases it is required.

Profit is a wonderful word - and it has been responsible for fueling the capitalist engine that made the USA the envy of the rest of the world. I suppose there are third world countries that would welcome you if you have skills and wish to go there.

As to the original post, there are more than enough folks in India to fill in for any that fall out sick or dead.
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Kindly stop trying to apply common sense and fact to an emotion based discussion! HAR! You are right on, but people seem to think corporations, all businesses in fact, are supposed to be able to survive on a razor thin margin. It's utter horse crap, a myth perpetuated by unions, anti-big business commies and other riff raff. The same people are often the ones complaining that people can't survive on a min wage job!

You know what would have been nice is if when the plague started, the powers that be would have decided that Mexico and South America were lots better places to have our junk made than China and various far eastern nations ruled by tyrants. Maybe then the mad rush to the US from the south could have been slowed and we could have had a good trade neighbor nearby.
 
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