Massey Ferguson 1959 oil / filter

Freddie2010 · Mar 7, 2021

Hello, I am going to change the oil and filter. On a 1959 Massey Ferguson to35 with a four cylinder gas engine. The owners manual says to use SAE30 oil. Is that a detergent oil ? What kind of cartridge filter should I use.? I looked on the computer and some of them are different sizes for the same tractor.

504 · Mar 7, 2021

Drain the oil and then stick a finger(pinky finger) in the hole and see if there is a bunch of sludge in the bottom of the pan. If you just have dirty oil you are good to go with a modern 10W40 oil. If you have a bunch of krud in the pan do not use detergent oil,it can loosen up the gunk, and it can plug the oil pick up screen. On the filter, as a last resort you can take the old one off and look for a number and name on it. On a canister filter be sure to dig out the old gasket and put it the new one.

Jim.ME · Mar 8, 2021

Don't know what you were looking at "on the computer", but the AGCO parts book shows only one filter for the TO35 Gas. The part number is 1014219M91. That crosses to a 51010 WIX and I expect others. You may need to order the gaskets separately, as sometimes they are not included, or are the wrong size, as the filter element may have been used in several different housings.

showcrop · Mar 8, 2021

To help you identify "krud" or "sludge" that may be present, I have found it to be somewhat like gelatin. If you find it you can hope that using non-detergent oil will make it stay put, but I be that you would prefer to be a little more sure about it. If you find that you have sludge on the bottom of the pan your best bet would be to drop the oil pan and give it a good cleaning and pull the valve cover and check there too. My experience is that if there is none under the valve cover that you don't find it elsewhere, if you do find it there you should go with non-detergent.

miangus · Mar 8, 2021

It appears that items 42 and 44 are part part of the filter, at least for the part number referenced. You are correct that it subs to a number of other part numbers from various manufacturers. Some that look a little different. I actually prefer the number referenced which is available at NAPA and CARQUEST. Remember it's a bypass filter system. Carefully inspect the parts you remove and compare to the diagram provided, I have seen them without the spring (its kind of important).

Steve@Advance · Mar 8, 2021

You are probably seeing different manufacturers part numbers, same filter.

For whatever reason, across the manufacturer lines, the big gasket runs small and is a potential leak. Save your old gasket just in case. Watch that area closely!

Odds are that engine has never had or been years since nondetergent was put in it. You will have no problem with using detergent oil.

The most popular oil is 15w 40 diesel oil. That engine has a reputation for low idle oil pressure, the 15w 40 helps it to have "some" pressure at warm idle.

Also the diesel oil is better suited for the old flat tappet engines. Modern gas engine oils are intended for roller cams and emission systems, neither serves any advantage for the older stuff.

The same oil can be used in the transmission cases. They are known for collecting water, especially with bad shifter boots and bad upper link boot (under the seat). If you haven't checked the cases for water, good idea to take a look.

JerryCPP(WA) · Mar 8, 2021

I disagree that you will have no problem using detergent oil if the engine has always had non-detergent oil. I did that very thing on a Ford flat head engine; the engine started using oil, smoking, and the pressure dropped considerably. Apparently what happened is the detergent oil loosened up all the crud that never got drained, and circulated it throughout the engine, causing wear, and increasing clearances. The two oils act totally differently regarding dirt and contaminants. Non-detergent oil lets all that stuff settle to the bottom; detergent oil holds it in suspension so it can be drained out - that's why you want to get everything warm before draining. If an engine with non-detergent oil is left to sit a long time, the dipstick will show you nice clean oil; all the dirt has settled out. Detergent oil will still be black - it's holding the dirt so it can be drained away.

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