856 custom- 1850/1750 oliver special- others?

swindave

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please help me out was the ih 856 custom, 1750/1850 oliver just stripped down versions
of the regular 856ih, and 1750/1850 olivers? did they sell good?

did any other tractors companies make any thing to compete against these models?
was there a reason for making those stripped down versions?

just trying to understand the markets in those times,
thanks for any and all help!
 
As far as I know they just had less frills. A little less tin Maybe only one set of hyd valves, smaller rubber, etc. John Deere had the 4000 pretty much a stripped down 4020. I think they all were just trying to make an economy model.
 
Same thing as the cheap junk they sell today other than things were built better then than now . Just trying to make a cheaper model
 
The times were very tight, not much money floating around, sales were way below expectations. These were stripped down models to try to boost sales, I know of IH, JD and Oliver models, not sure about the other companies. Olivers had no Hydra power, no 3 point, basic seat, less lights etc. These could be added per customers wishes, but raised the price. I don't think any company made very may of them.
 
I thought that I heard that the 4000 was a 4020 motor with a 3020 rear end, Don't know if this is true or not.
 
Case most always had an economy model starting with the westerns. The 930 western 6 speed was very popular and is still a popular collector and working tractor. In the 70 series it was the 1170/75 with the straight 8 speed transmission. They are still sought after for working tractors as they are very reliable and hard pulling. Case offered the 2090/2290 in a straight 8 speed as well. In the 94 series it was the 32/33/3594 that had full time front assist. They were cheaper to buy because there was no way to disengage the front assist. All of those models were very popular in the case lineup.
 
The 4000 used the 404 engine and transmission but lighter final drives and axles. Shielding sheet metal around the rockshaft/seat area was omitted and the battery boxes were trays. There was no provision for mid PTO
 
I agree times were tight, i had a neighbor,he was pretty solid John Deere man, the IHC dealer did sell him a 856 Custom,even though it had more power than his 4020, he didn't keep it long, he said it was cheaply made, so they made more enemy's than friends with that small fuel tank, it was too small before,[lol] of course when the 4430 came out, good bye 856, I didn't blame him for that!
 
You could buy a "stripped" John Deere 4020 with one hydraulic circuit and other mods.
That still didn't make it cheap as some other manufacturers economy models.
 
It is not true. 4000 used the same transmission and rear end as the 4020. Only difference was the axles were similar to the 4010 and there are no synchronizers between forward and reverse. Only thing the 4000 has in common with the 3020 is the 3-point arms. 4000 and 4020 were serial numbered together. Thats how similar they were.
 
a friend of mine had a 1850 Oliver wheels were painted a different green other than white. he used it on silage blower
 
The popularity of the JD 4000 is what induced Oliver to produce the specials. Same thing with those stupid hydraulic drive 4wd units. I don't think Oliver sold very many specials, or hydraulic 4wd's either. I don't know about the other companies.
 
Deere produced just short of 8000 of the 4000 model from '69 - '72. This is a 1972 one. Most were sychro-range trans since they were cheaper to make than the power shift. I believe the early production units may have had smaller diameter rear tires than the 4020. The drawing card was your getting the same engine as a 4020. Farmers did not have a lot of money in those times- corn @ 2.00 /bushel . There was no traited seed to make high yields. Not going to buy new equipment very often @ 2.00 corn. These units pretty rare to see at tractor shows.
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