Allis chalmers

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Allis Chalmers did quite well around here as there were strong dealers and products that suited small dairy farms. I would place them just a little behind JD and IH and somewhat in front of Case, Oliver/White, and Ford in terms of market presence here. The trouble was for AC as it was for White, Case, etc. that corporate never recognized the need for a full product line to keep the doors open for their dealers when things got tough during the 1980's. The dealers that had little in the way of shortlines and minimal offerings from their tractor supplier were the first to close during the 1980's.
 
I've always wanted a 185 or 175 allis. Never really cared for any of the others much. There were quite a few around here because there was a couple good dealers, one still here but sell kubota now.
 
I did rent a 7020 one year with a powershift and thought the transmission was really nice. Overall the tractor was ok too, just not what I was used to.
 
We got kind of disappointed as we moved from the WD45 to One Eighty, to 185. The WD45 had the snot worked out of it, and kept going. The One Eighty ran rough, and had other little issues. That annoyed my father so much he traded for the 185. That overall design didn't seem to hold up with that much power. I've got a really nice 175 I wish was gas. Then it would be all AC! The Perkins is bullet proof, and sips fuel, but I feel like I'm driving a MF!
 
No. Maybe I could find a copy on eBay. Can you give a summary? I think that somebody said that the author stated that AC was slow to upgrade tractors and generally built products that the dealers found impractical among other things. That the farm equipment division was small in terms of AC corporate and got lost in the shuffle. That tractors were just an outlet for engine production. A fair number of AC dealers closed around here during the 1980's. Kind of a shame. During the hey day of AC from 1950-1975 there was a fair amount of AC tillage, spreaders, and forage equipment around here.
 
Step on the clutch and lose pto drive,,, which to me was ridiculous for a tractor built in the 70's, the engines ran well and was decent enough on fuel,, but not much low end torque,, but then I grew with the biggest Torque producing engines made CASE,,,
 
The joke (or maybe the reality) was that the WD and WD45 helped a number of chiropractors put their kids through college and buy their vacation homes.
 
They did everything, and were spread too thin. One division would be carrying another. I think it was just after the war they suffered a debilitating strike, from which, he says, they never really caught up. Kept re-hashing old designs, instead of building new ones. They had new designs, but not the capital to make the necessary changes.
 
The local dealer was sending around a 7045 for farmers to try. We hooked it to a Glencoe 9 shank Soil Saver. It did fairly well in heavy ground with no duals. It had the Power Director transmission. The dealers around here sold a few Power Shift equipped 7000 series tractors. AC should have been in the position to offer the 8000 series at that point in time. The 1980's were too late.
 
I grew up on a WD45. Maybe that's what is wrong with my hips now! It was a great tractor for a kid. Fit me good. Easy to handle. I saw a real nice one a few years ago and bought it. It didn't fit me any more! When I found a real nice 175 the WD45 left.
 
The WD and WD45 were very reliable tractors and there were a large number around here even as late as the 1970's. Second only to the IH M and JD A I would say. A couple of relatives that owned WD's said that they could be bought for significantly less than a Farmall M back when both were new.
 
I agree with there was no live PTO,Nutty,my dad bought a new Gleaner combine in 1962,a new A,we liked the combine, i was about a freshman then,so i got to know the dealer, and worked for him after school and weekends, when my dad didn't need me, Well after high school i tried out a new One Ninety XT, of course the blockman was out there too, and i remember the blockman saying OH they built that engine to have all the power on the top end,so we were plowing with Dads 5x16 Oliver plow,one guy on each fender we got into a tough spot,and it pulled it down to the point where i had to pull the power director, oh the Allis team just couldn't believe it,so that ended that try out, Damm glad i never bought it,because they just didn't stand up in our country,i honestly dont know of anybody that got one,most were all traded off in 2-3 years!
 
My first tractor was a WD. Sold it to buy a 2510 Deere diesel in 1991. A few years ago I bought a good WD45 with factory power steering. Spent one day raking corn stalks and decided no way was this for me anymore. Sold it and picked up a series II D15 that needs a little work. Tom
 
If that 5020 runs that is a good deal,nice tractor to run a tiller as it has a set of real low gears.Down side is almost no parts are available.I have 2 parts tractors so go ahead I got you covered.
 
Just use the hand clutch,baling with my 185 to wrap a bale put the high/low clutch in neutral,run the string on the bale,dump the foot clutch,eject the bale,let the foot clutch out,PTO starts turning ease the hand clutch into either high or low.takes longer to type it than to wrap a bale.2nd nature with me grew up on AC and Oliver tractors.
 
Ive started wanting one . Grandpa has a 190 and and then 70** he said there was some oring would fail in the 70 series and they would have to tear it apart something in the rear end to fix it
 
The local dealer sold at least of those 7580's new. The last one of those was sold at a retirement auction a few years ago. Another farmer played around with a couple of used 7580's.
 
There was a place to close to me that re powered alot of bigger allis tractors with B and C series cummins. ( That would give your case a run for its money on torque) seems the allis has no power once they last rpm kinda like a V 8 motor.
 
My dad bought this tractor soon after he got out of the army. Probably the most used one on tgd place.
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(quoted from post at 08:41:57 02/20/21) Allis Chalmers did quite well around here as there were strong dealers and products that suited small dairy farms. I would place them just a little behind JD and IH and somewhat in front of Case, Oliver/White, and Ford in terms of market presence here. The trouble was for AC as it was for White, Case, etc. that corporate never recognized the need for a full product line to keep the doors open for their dealers when things got tough during the 1980's. The dealers that had little in the way of shortlines and minimal offerings from their tractor supplier were the first to close during the 1980's.

Kinda difficult for Allis to do all that when they themselves were circling the toilet at about the same rate IH was through the late 70s until 1985 when the last ones rolled off the line.

All they could do was keep cranking out tractors and praying for a miracle that never came. Well, it kinda did because Agco preserved the name...sort of... Deutz Allis, 50% Deutz, 50% Oliver, 0% Allis.
 
Ever seen allis chalmers construction equipment?? AC supplied auxiliary engines for a lot of different equipment over the years, We have a 60KW military generator with an AC motor in it.. Heck the air compressor on my service rig has an Allis Chalmers 3 phase "Induction motor" on it... ya they wanted to be diversified,but they got spread WAY TO THIN...
 

To me gallons of fuel used per hour is MEANINGLESS because we don't know how hard it's working.


Horsepower hours per gallon is a MUCH more meaningful number.

But, no matter, those tractors didn't have the cojones to stand up to heavy tillage use without "ventilating" their engines or mangling their transmissions or final drives, such a SAD end to a once-great corporation!
 
A neighbor had a 185,, I took my snow blower up for him to use,, you could not shift the trans from fwd to rev effectually/fast, was a very award setup,,, I put decades of time in running this sno-go blower unit int he winters,, it had the largest AC 6 cylinder at the time,, turbo and intercooled, it is a engine that if you dropped off 100-125 rpm from full speed it fell flat on its face,, and with a blower to work right it should it needs to hold its own. the engine ran fine, we actually had two of these blowers,, I also drove semi,, we had detroit,, a far bigger guttless engine if you dropped rpms,, Cummins,, great power but I never cared for the throttle response/control to maintain a rpm, but I agree good engines,, my Fav then was CAT for semi power,, we had thirty four 06 with after coolers 450-525 hp depending if it was in my end dump I used to plow snow with int eh winters or a belly dump,, I can see why someone would go with a repower and use a Cummins,, I am on my second CDC powered Dodge pickup, would have kept the 92 i had but with all the hauling I wanted a 5 speed so I bought a 97,, love them but of course they are only 50% Cummins and 50% Case and they have the throttle control I demand. the AC engines gave little problems around here,, I just could not believe in the 70's anyone would have built a tractor that size and not include 100% live/independent PTO, I have a handful of customers I worked on AC's for,, transmission issues seemed to show up from the D-10 the through the 185 models i worked on,, the 4x4 they offered in the 70's,, at least here had nothing but transmission problems,, I knew of two of three bought new that spent more time at the dealership getting them repaired the first year tan in the fields, both of those farms leased new 2470's from us when theirs went down,, both of those were bought back by AC, they then bough new 2470's to replace them,, the 2whl drive units of the same time frame seemed to be good enough units, I do not remember doing any major repairs on them other than basic wear items,
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That is me in the seat,, I was just getting things blew out after spending 10 straight days in the cab running 16 hour days after a three day blizzard,, which I had ran through from start to finish running my Kenworth plowing/sanding/plowing roads and leading ambulances in to snowed in houses where most of the calls were women in labor,, there was at least one heart attack that time from a man trying to shovel out,,, I also did the south run as we called it, it was 85 miles to the turn around, my partner that ran with me kept the roads open for the four Coal mines who ran 24-7,, those were busy days,, good times but glad I am not still there, 20 years of it was enough, I had to ride the brakes most of the time and just Creep along when blowing,, for the money they paid for these blowers they should have have blown two-three times the snow they would,, we got by with them, I tried to get the boss to buy a FAIR blower even got a demo from them they would not even consider the even though it was four times if not more the machine,, it was also three times or more the cost to purchase,, we just did not put enough hours on using them to justify it,,
 
I was hoping you would pick up on installing a cdc motor into an Allis to make it pull! The problem was the Allis would not handle the torque if you were not careful, a lot of twisted input shafts. It was a shame they had to lose the partnership. A lot of the equipment from there got shipped up to Columbus and use after the flood here. somewhere I got an article about a case with a Cummins back in the 30s.
 
We had an 8000 series with a cummins transplant and the powershift on that thing would just about lift the front wheels off the ground When you shifted it I never seen anything shift so hard in my life
 
Case tested a model "L" with a Cummins as they were working on dsl power,, I have a pic of it some where,, I am thinking that is what you are speaking of,, from what I remember it was really no different than the CASE gas engine in power/torque but did burn less fuel,,
 

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