Wind powered electric metered, How?

Last I heard in Ohio, if you own your own wind turbine and are connected to the grid, you have a meter on the turbine and another on your house. The meter on the turbine pays wholesale, and the one on the house buys retail, just like a farmer.....At least that was one Electric Co-op I heard of....

I have no idea how Ohio utility companies handle grid tie systems HOWEVER since what's called Net Metering came about its typical in a lot of places they only PAY wholesale (what you generate) and of course CHARGE retail for energy. Before Net Metering self generation was a bit more economically feasible, but now its worse grrrrrrrr. Wind or Solar is NOT for everyone and the economics (if that were the ONLY concern) aren't favorable HOWEVER for those not on any grid or those who are willing to pay for total self sufficiency its a great thing and worth every penny THEY PAY should that be THEIR choice. If self sufficiency isn't important a person probably would NOT invest in self generation TO EACH THEIR OWN, ITS THEIR MONEY THEIR CHOICE none of ours.

John T

Id invest but the cost is high and what about the longevity of the equipment?

(quoted from post at 05:49:54 02/18/21) Id invest but the cost is high and what about the longevity of the equipment?

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If the what-ifs bother you so much, what are you doing farming?

Are they maintenance free?

I doubt it

I guess I know what The risks are farming But spending ten
grand on something that might last and might not probably not
scares me . Ive looked a few times for the cost Im not sold
yet I do like the idea

Good Moring sv, Sorry I don't have any data as to the longevity and maintenance cost and that sure would have to be included in any economic analysis. If its NOT feasible I WOULD NOTTTTTTTT invest (and recommend others not) UNLESS it was still worth it to me to be totally self sufficient if I was off grid or wanted to be ready if the grid went down AND THATS PRICELSS FOR SOME WHO SO CHOOSE.

Hey I cant make anyone else's decision or have any cost figures for maintenance and longevity, each have to make THEIR own analysis and decision based on THEIR NEEDS AND PRIORITIES AND FINANCES.

Great question sv, sorry I don't have the answers, it would take time to study and research all that so to each their own choices for whatever THEIR reasons may be, Im sure NOT going to tell them how to choose and spend their money, thats THEIR CHOICE

Best wishes, God Bless, study and research and make a wise informed decision that suits YOU and others should do the same

John T

Hey there good neighbor George, I doubt they could be made maintenance free (no way coming from this engineer, there willlllllll be maintenance cost) so my answer is the same as I posted to sv below

Good Moring, Sorry I don't have any data as to the longevity and maintenance cost and that sure would have to be included in any economic analysis. If its NOT feasible I WOULD NOTTTTTTTT invest (and recommend others not) UNLESS it was still worth it to me to be totally self sufficient if I was off grid or wanted to be ready if the grid went down AND THATS PRICELSS FOR SOME WHO SO CHOOSE.

Hey I cant make anyone else's decision or have any cost figures for maintenance and longevity, each have to make THEIR own analysis and decision based on THEIR NEEDS AND PRIORITIES AND FINANCES.

Great question, sorry I don't have the answers, it would take time to study and research all that so to each their own choices for whatever THEIR reasons may be, Im sure NOT going to tell them how to choose and spend their money, thats THEIR CHOICE

Best wishes, God Bless, study and research and make a wise informed decision that suits YOU and others should do the same

John T

"I doubt it"

Coming from an Electrical Engineer I AGREE 100%, there has to be maintenance they are complex mechanical and electrical devices....

Best wishes sv

John T

Snowbird John, LOL
Your video says it all. Nothing lasts forever. Then what will we do with all the junk windmills and solar panels?

I'll take my chances and gamble in the stock market. Which not for everyone either. I've put more in the market after I retired than before. I like the idea of my money working for me.
I intentionally took a 50% loss in 2008. My broker said wait, the market will come back. I told my broker I want a Capital Loss "Income Tax redistribution."
I turned around and reinvested in the market. Didn't take very long to regain my losses.
I'm still getting a tax break over the Capital Loss.

I feel market investments is an easy way to pass my estate to my kids. Can't see liquidating solar panels and windmills.
George

I helped a neighbor years ago set up a water powered generation system in a old mill race.The state had a set rate the power company had to pay for the electricity he produced and fed onto their line.Dominion Power ended up buying him out and the rights to produce electricity at his site.

(quoted from post at 08:42:43 02/18/21) Snowbird John, LOL
Your video says it all. Nothing lasts forever. Then what will we do with all the junk windmills and solar panels?

I'll take my chances and gamble in the stock market. Which not for everyone either. I've put more in the market after I retired than before. I like the idea of my money working for me.
I intentionally took a 50% loss in 2008. My broker said wait, the market will come back. I told my broker I want a Capital Loss "Income Tax redistribution."
I turned around and reinvested in the market. Didn't take very long to regain my losses.
I'm still getting a tax break over the Capital Loss.

I feel market investments is an easy way to pass my estate to my kids. Can't see liquidating solar panels and windmills.
George

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Good point George about taking your losses and also goes to profits sometimes.

About 45 years ago we had a local guy, machine shop owner, who decided he was going to sell electricity to the utility and get rich. He dug a number of ponds and put in a lot of piping trying to use some thermal process. Well that was an experiment gone bad as I don't think he ever produced any electricity. I hope those ponds have some fish in them.

As an aside, I would consider hooking up a generator to the windmill. Instead of using a mechanical rod pump under a windmill, have the windmill power a generator that powers a submersible well pump.

Good for you George, I did similar in 2008 I didn't sell at the bottom but rode it out now its wayyyyyyy higher back and better yayyyyyyyy

Investing in Wind and Solar is NOT for everybody, each should do as they please thats what I do and so glad for it

John T

(quoted from post at 08:27:07 02/18/21) Last I heard in Ohio, if you own your own wind turbine and are connected to the grid, you have a meter on the turbine and another on your house. The meter on the turbine pays wholesale, and the one on the house buys retail, just like a farmer.....At least that was one Electric Co-op I heard of....

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Forget about selling power . What you can do is reduce the amount of peak rate daytime utility power used and paid for . With PV Panels and a grid tie inverter .
You can not generate and store power cheaper than the off peak utility rate at night and weekends .

That sounds fair to me.

They are in business to make money, and they are providing the grid to receive the power.

Producing the electricity is only a part of the cost, imagine the upkeep and repair costs, payroll, government red tape, permits, fines, lawsuits, green legislation, purchasing right of way...

It's amazing power is as cheap as it is!

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(quoted from post at 08:27:07 02/18/21) Last I heard in Ohio, if you own your own wind turbine and are connected to the grid, you have a meter on the turbine and another on your house. The meter on the turbine pays wholesale, and the one on the house buys retail, just like a farmer.....At least that was one Electric Co-op I heard of....

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Forget about selling power . What you can do is reduce the amount of peak rate daytime utility power used and paid for . With PV Panels and a grid tie inverter .
You can not generate and store power cheaper than the off peak utility rate at night and weekends .

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If your not going to be selling the power you generate, you do not need any "grid tie" equipment.

probably

i wish we had the off peak time option here like we had in WIsconsin.

(quoted from post at 14:23:16 02/18/21) Good Moring sv, Sorry I don't have any data as to the longevity and maintenance cost and that sure would have to be included in any economic analysis.

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This website may help with the economic analysis.
https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php

Buick and Deere has an excellent point. You can buy 100W solar panels for $75 each, and a "grid tie" inverter for $100. The "grid tie" inverters are "plug and play" and automatically disconnect when line voltage is lost so you don't shock the utility workers when the power goes out. That obviously doesn't help in the event of a power outage, but you can have a backup generator for that. So for $400 you can be up and running with a 400W system. In my snowy, cloudy zip code, at my local 11.7 cents/Kw-hr, that system will pay for itself in about 7 years. A typical house will need a 3600W system, but you can build the system incrementally with the money saved after the first investment.

"Saving" money through solar or wind energy is much easier than "making" money. This is because if you grid-tie, you're essentially selling your own power to yourself at retail rates. However, any excess is sold to the utility, typically at wholesale rates. The utility is legally not allowed to pay more for power it is buying.
So if you size your system to provide maybe 80% to 100% of your daytime need, and buy your power at night, you'll *save* money. But if you want to invest in batteries, storage, and over-sized solar arrays to provide *all* your energy needs to go off-grid or stay on-grid and sell some back, then you're in for some big money. Unless you live in prime solar territory like Arizona, it will be very difficult to make this system pay. You might be energy independent, but it will be very expensive.

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(quoted from post at 11:47:12 02/18/21)

(quoted from post at 08:27:07 02/18/21) Last I heard in Ohio, if you own your own wind turbine and are connected to the grid, you have a meter on the turbine and another on your house. The meter on the turbine pays wholesale, and the one on the house buys retail, just like a farmer.....At least that was one Electric Co-op I heard of....

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Forget about selling power . What you can do is reduce the amount of peak rate daytime utility power used and paid for . With PV Panels and a grid tie inverter .
You can not generate and store power cheaper than the off peak utility rate at night and weekends .

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If your not going to be selling the power you generate, you do not need any "grid tie" equipment.

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Then do tell us how you plan to connect home generation to home use ? In a simple reliable fashion .

Same as a tractor, you have to do maintenance to keep it operational.

Thanks John . Just to much risk for me tight now