SV Allis pic story?

tomstractorsandtoys · Jan 23, 2021

SV you posted an old pic below of a 190XT. What is the story behind it? My grandfather had a new 190XT with a six bottom plow. Dad had just bought a new 4020 and had my grandfather talked into one as well. Grandfather went to the Allis dealer for some parts and mentioned a 4020. Somehow the dealer sold him a 190XT instead. Dad hated the 190 as it did not have independent pto which made it very unhandy on a forage harvester. I would like a 190XT someday but the pto is a holdback even for me. Tom

fastfarmall · Jan 23, 2021

Oh Tom, i wished i had known that, i had a older neighbor, he bought one of the last ones,NEW.he loved it, kept it back from his auction, sat inside all these years. he gave it to his sons, , they couldn't get a nibble on it around here,finally sold it,about a year ago, about 250 miles away, the guy is useing it for a haying tractor. It was as mint as any xt,Diesel, 3 point,nice cab, only pulled 4 bottom, series 3 could be,only had 1000 hours on it !

Bill(Wis) · Jan 23, 2021

I understand the preference for a fully independent PTO but the 190XT did have a power director which allowed for gear changes between high and low in each of the four forward gears and could be stopped and started, in that gear, without interrupting PTO flow. That, to me, wouldn't be a deal killer.

300jk · Jan 23, 2021

I never realized the 190, 190xt didn’t have an independent pto. Did the 200 have independent pto ? Seems like most tractors of that era had independent pto.

Al Baker(pumpman) · Jan 23, 2021

I have a nice diesel engine from my worn out gleaner G. I am looking for a 190 xt or 200 that is either gas, or in need of new power. Never had a 190, but did run my Grandpa's 180 a lot as a kid. Always thought a XT would be fun to have. Anyone see one let me know. Al

Eldon (WA) · Jan 23, 2021

(quoted from post at 10:19:49 01/23/21) I never realized the 190, 190xt didn t have an independent pto. Did the 200 have independent pto ? Seems like most tractors of that era had independent pto.

Both could be had with hydraulic engaging live pto which allowed you to turn the pto on and off without clutching. The two clutch system allowed the pto to continue running when using the power director neutral position. The power director also gave hi/lo on the go shifting. Those who grew up with Allis Chalmers tractors were used to using the hand clutch or power director for live power, so the lack of a separate pto clutch was not that big of a deal. Having run them all my life, I prefer being able to push in the foot clutch to kill pto and tractor motion at the same time.

Bob Bancroft · Jan 23, 2021

190 and 200 basically the same.

fastfarmall · Jan 23, 2021

Well maybe/maybe not ,they couldnt be used with the Richardton silage dump box, or a most dirt scrapers, not enough oil reservoir capacity, some guys over filled them,but when they duped the soil, they couldn't move forward, no oil left for the tranny !!

SVcummins · Jan 23, 2021

My grandpa bought that brand new from the local dealer ten miles away in the neighboring town . I do not know anymore about it that’s my uncle driving it . Later we had an allis chalmers cab tractor a 70s model but I can’t remember the model

cdmn · Jan 23, 2021

I think you should hold out for a 210. Same as 220, but detuned to reduce stresses.
The 210/220 had all the fixes that improved the original 190.

Eldon (WA) · Jan 23, 2021

(quoted from post at 12:53:35 01/23/21) My grandpa bought that brand new from the local dealer ten miles away in the neighboring town . I do not know anymore about it that s my uncle driving it . Later we had an allis chalmers cab tractor a 70s model but I can t remember the model

You should have bought this one out of Caldwell a couple years ago...went cheap, just sits in my back yard now.

SVcummins · Jan 23, 2021

That’s a nice tractor. I need to find a big tractor like a 5020 or
even a 8430 or 8440 8450 with a pto to run a big baler

SVcummins · Jan 24, 2021

Not great but at least workable

Blackhole49 · Jan 24, 2021

I thought you were getting 37's 5020?

SV Allis pic story?

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