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svcummins

01-13-2021 19:00:24




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Decided Iíd give the northern tool engine one ton engine stand a try and see how it is . Iím hoping I can find a pivot gear box Or maybe just buy a gear box from surplus center and modify that to turn the engine . This stand has outriggers that you can lower to hold the stand from moving that was probably what sold me on it

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caterpillar guy

01-15-2021 11:50:37




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
Spend another 250 and have one on each end then only side tipping would be an issue and holding it would be solved.



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svcummins

01-14-2021 15:41:54




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
Found a 3 inch pillow block bearing that would be perfect to spin the engine



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DoubleO7

01-14-2021 08:39:18




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
That stands engine mount spin has no bearings or rollers of any sort might be tough to rotate with 1000lbs hanging out there.

Might have to alter where it spins.

Might consider using 1/4" steel rods inside the outer pipe.

Change shaft on engine mount to be 1/2" less diameter to ride on those homemade roller bearings.
At same time that smaller shaft can extend out to accommodate whatever gearbox you choose for rotation.

I would use worm drive gear box. Maybe off of a hand crank winch.

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svcummins

01-14-2021 13:43:51




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to DoubleO7, 01-14-2021 08:39:18  
Ok



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DeltaSteve

01-14-2021 08:01:00




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
I have the same stand,only it's Harbor frieght. It's had 390 Ford,350 chevy on it. It's had IH 56 series transmission houseings(TA job). It would be fine for your 3020 motor,the 4020 motor might be a bit heavy.But I have no complaints.It's done what it was supposed to do.



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Mike Groom

01-14-2021 06:00:05




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
A friend of mine used an old timing gear set from a small block Chevy that worked real slick,big gear on the shaft that went to the engine,small gear on a bracket down below with chain between them and a old crank handle off a boat winch,still used the cross pin in the top shaft to locate it at the four positions.



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M-MAN

01-14-2021 03:05:07




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
Looking at the specs it's too small for a big engine. JMO. A little under three feet long and a little over two feet wide. There is going to be too much engine sticking out past the stand whether you bolt it to the end or on the side. That will make it very unstable when you turn it. The stops won't help you there. This is assuming the steel is heavy enough to support the load. You can't just go by engine weight as every inch away from the post reduces capacity.

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svcummins

01-14-2021 13:48:15




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to M-MAN, 01-14-2021 03:05:07  
I think it sill prove a little small as well . Iím hoping to only rotate the engine once before installing the head then leave it upright the after that



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ASEguy

01-14-2021 02:23:42




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
We have a Cummins mounted on a stand similar to what you have shown. Ours is more of a display for students, so we mounted the stand on the right side of the engine with a plate made in our welding department.



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shinnery

01-14-2021 00:54:34




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
I believe John Deere D 's last picture is an actual Cummins engine on the stand.



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svcummins

01-14-2021 01:16:16




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to shinnery, 01-14-2021 00:54:34  
You sir are correct thatís a 12 valve cummins



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Tim in OR

01-13-2021 21:52:55




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
I heard of a truck shop using an old school slack adjuster from truck brakes to roll an engine in a stand. The old school ones had a lock ring that held the adjustment in one place when not pushed in with a wrench (or socket). I never saw it as the shop was closed down when i heard of it by one of the guys who had worked there. He said it worked great.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 22:24:39




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to Tim in OR, 01-13-2021 21:52:55  
Thatís not a bad idea



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John Deere D

01-13-2021 21:27:04




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
Thank you to those on "YT" that shared these pics.....
Bob..

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svcummins

01-14-2021 00:36:34




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to John Deere D, 01-13-2021 21:27:04  
I suppose I could go pull the final drive off my 7700 combine and build the one like mr Tim s built but Iím really hoping to only have to do one more big engine and I wouldnít care if it was the last one I ever did the rest of my life would suite me



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rustred

01-13-2021 21:36:15




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to John Deere D, 01-13-2021 21:27:04  
Yes, the third picture where the small stand is inside the big one. Thatís what is needed.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 19:51:42




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
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svcummins

01-13-2021 19:48:53




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
Any engineers want to chime in . How would this gear box do for turning an en engine



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Jeff nwoh

01-13-2021 22:07:30




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:48:53  
If I remember right, mine is 30:1. I dont think I'd want much less. I think some of the factory built stands sport a 90:1 ratio.



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svcummins

01-14-2021 01:19:04




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to Jeff nwoh, 01-13-2021 22:07:30  
Thanks for posting maybe Iíll grab a 50 to 1 gearbox then



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rustred

01-13-2021 21:05:35




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:48:53  
Should be able to just rig up a couple sprockets and chain with a hand crank on the back. Big and small sprocket. But when it gets to flipping on the side you might need a brake. As u know once itís off centre they are in free fall.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 21:50:13




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to rustred, 01-13-2021 21:05:35  
Thatís why Iím thinking a gear reduction so it has a little more control



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rustred

01-13-2021 19:11:38




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
I am thinking you got that for that heavy cummins ?



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svcummins

01-13-2021 19:31:48




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to rustred, 01-13-2021 19:11:38  
Yes they weigh about 1000 pounds



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rustred

01-13-2021 20:52:57




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:31:48  
I am Leary of that engine staying up on that stand. I donít know how they say 2000 lbs. be ok with just the block. Just hate to see it flip over.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 22:19:19




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to rustred, 01-13-2021 20:52:57  
Thereís a few videos on YouTube of those engines on these one ton stands so hopefully itíll work out . Iím not that Much of a builder so if have to I think I can modify this one if I need too . These engines arenít that heavy actually I can roll it over quite easily by hand when I had it on my work table but I really wanted to see how these stands are . This is about the largest engine Iíll ever do .

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Retired Farmer

01-13-2021 19:11:09




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to svcummins, 01-13-2021 19:00:24  
That looks like the same base that they use on their cherry picker.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 19:32:26




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 Re: Engine stand in reply to Retired Farmer, 01-13-2021 19:11:09  
I hope itís plenty strong



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