Ford 4000 3 cylinder piston 1 position

Johnfh · Jan 7, 2021

Hello

I have a Ford 4000 3 cylinder Diesel engine tractor.

Does anyone know where piston1 lives?
Is it next the clutch, or next to the radiator?

Is there a diagram or manual anywhere that I need to look at ?

Hope someone can help,

Thank you

John[/b]

JMOR · Jan 7, 2021

(quoted from post at 18:04:23 01/07/21) Hello

I have a Ford 4000 3 cylinder Diesel engine tractor.

Does anyone know where piston1 lives?
Is it next the clutch, or next to the radiator?

Is there a diagram or manual anywhere that I need to look at ?

Hope someone can help,

Thank you

John[/b]

haven't seen everything, but have seen a lot & have never seen one where #1 wasn't at front (radiator end). Another matter if transverse engine.

Dieseltech · Jan 7, 2021

The number one cylinder is at water pump end of engine.

Jim.ME · Jan 7, 2021

(quoted from post at 18:20:45 01/07/21) The number one cylinder is at water pump end of engine.

Here are a couple links to copies of manuals for 2000 through 7000 tractors on line. These may not be the exact manuals for your 4000 but they should have info enough in them to provide you with some basic knowledge.

Operator's Manual: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1052659/Ford-2000.html

Service Manual: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwSJ083sGeDtUzRLNEE5SjU1X0k/view

mechanicfred · Jan 7, 2021

In 45 years of busting tools and body parts I have seen number 1 piston at the flywheel end, I think it was Duetz.

ohiodick · Jan 7, 2021

mack mid liner no.1 is in the rear.

Johnfh · Jan 8, 2021

Awesome

Thank you for the replies.

Hugely helpful

😎

Johnfh · Jan 8, 2021

Hello

Thank you for replying. Do you know which port of the fuel pump connects to which piston?

Ive got new injector pipes to add and want to be confident that Im getting the placement correct first time.

Thank you

John

Jim.ME · Jan 8, 2021

If you bought the correct new high pressure lines to go between the injector pump and injector nozzles, they should be pre-bent to fit each position. They should match the shape of the old ones or just hold them up in place to see where best fit is.

What is the whole story here? Why are you getting new lines? There has to be a reason for those needing to be replaced. Are you working on a basket case?

Johnfh · Jan 8, 2021

Im researching this information for my father.

After passing on the detail about the shape of the pipes being a good clue as to positioning, I learned that the whole pipe isnt new, and just the ends (or some part near the end), and the shape is no longer a usable guide unfortunately.

The back story is...
the pump was taken down after Engine wouldnt run due to lack of fuel. After cleaning the fuel pump and being fixed, something about the injectors needed replaced, and thats why the pipes are disconnected.

And hence our mystery about which port pipes to which cylinder.

Thanks ever so much for all the help.

John

Destroked 450 · Jan 8, 2021

The lines on these engines are prebent and nearly impossible to install in the wrong place.
Not sure what your saying about ends being replaced as I've never seen it done but that shouldn't effect the way the line is bent.
Here's a photo of the lines on the pump, I've never looked to see which position on the pump is #1 as I never issues installing the lines in their correct positions.

Jim.ME · Jan 8, 2021

I have had new lines made by an injection shop, but they used the old ones as a pattern and they bent them to match. I suppose someone could have gotten a new end, cut an old one off, and silver soldered it on an old line, but they would have need to have done that in the right orientation for it to fit. And then why would they need to do all three.

Sorry but what is going on isn't real clear. The high pressure lines have special ends and bend very hard. Is he by chance working on the excess fuel return line at the top of each injection nozzle?

Another post or two and you should be able to put pictures in your posts.

Have you looked at the manuals I gave you the links to, to see if there is anything there that will help clarify things?

Johnfh · Jan 8, 2021

Hello Jim.ME

The manuals are awesome. Im scanning every page. The lines appear to have been previously removed and bent / whatever, to fit, before my dad got the machine.

I asked what was replaced / fixed and he said the olives ?
He couldnt keep the lines from leaking.
Blowing out at injectors.
Blowing out at the pump head.
They seem to have been tightened so often that the pipe lines were swollen.

The more I dig, the more we discover 😀

I really appreciate the help.

We will get some photos as soon as we can.

Meanwhile I am going through every manual image we have had kindly shared.

Thank you

JMOR · Jan 10, 2021

(quoted from post at 16:55:38 01/08/21)
Hello Jim.ME

The manuals are awesome. Im scanning every page. The lines appear to have been previously removed and bent / whatever, to fit, before my dad got the machine.

I asked what was replaced / fixed and he said the olives ?
He couldnt keep the lines from leaking.
Blowing out at injectors.
Blowing out at the pump head.
They seem to have been tightened so often that the pipe lines were swollen.

The more I dig, the more we discover 😀

I really appreciate the help.

We will get some photos as soon as we can.

Meanwhile I am going through every manual image we have had kindly shared.

Thank you

s many of these 3 cyl diesels as there are out there, I'm surprised that some owner has not stepped up to the plate and answered the pump line position question for him.

Jim.ME · Jan 10, 2021

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True, a 3 cylinder diesel owner could help on this. I don't have one, but some things just don't seem right here, like replacing ends and bending the injector lines. It may be a nomenclature issue. Pictures will help. There are many things I haven't seen but using olives on injector lines doesn't sound right. Yes, olives on return or supply lines, which also get bent easier. Hopefully the OP will be back with more info and pictures.

wore out · Jan 10, 2021

(quoted from post at 15:54:04 01/10/21)

(quoted from post at 16:55:38 01/08/21)
Hello Jim.ME

The manuals are awesome. Im scanning every page. The lines appear to have been previously removed and bent / whatever, to fit, before my dad got the machine.

I asked what was replaced / fixed and he said the olives ?
He couldnt keep the lines from leaking.
Blowing out at injectors.
Blowing out at the pump head.
They seem to have been tightened so often that the pipe lines were swollen.

The more I dig, the more we discover 😀

I really appreciate the help.

We will get some photos as soon as we can.

Meanwhile I am going through every manual image we have had kindly shared.

Thank you

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s many of these 3 cyl diesels as there are out there, I'm surprised that some owner has not stepped up to the plate and answered the pump line position question for him.

This is how it appears to me, the RED numbering is mine.

Destroked 450 · Jan 10, 2021

I was out feeding cows on one of mine today but never though to look at the line arrangement but I did find it in my part book.
The line inside next to the block goes to #1 cylinder next to the radiator
The line at the bottom of the pump goes to #2 cylinder in the middle of the engine
The line on the outside next to the bleed screw goes to #3 cylinder back near the fuel tank

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