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I was just reading in 'Antique Power' magazine about the Russians in the early 'tractor days'. seems the Russians were challenged in tractor MFGing. they bought and reverse engineered Fordsons. They had lots of issues.The Russian metalurgy wasn't up to snuff at that time. Later they reverse engeeneered F20s,they made over 280,000 of them up untill 1955.IH only made 154,000 F20s.There were 4 different variations.The Russians also made copycat W30 and 10-20.They even hired American contractors to build tractor factories.I have also read where Sweden did the same with JD G and A during WW2.Only a few hundred of those were made.I wonder how many other countrys did the same?Not counting the Argentine 730,as they were made by JD,in a JD factory,useing JD tooling.Or the french F12,C,or the British MD/450It would be so cool if some of those foreign copy cats made it over here to the US.
 
I remember hearing a similar story about engine lathes. That Japan got a lathe and copied it. Their new lathes even came with a ding in the ways, because the one they copied had been damaged.
 
A Russian company started producing a copy of BMW motorcycles in 1940, and they are still being made. They are called Ural, and there is a dealer here in Arizona. The new ones are quite modern, to pass emissions, with fuel injection. The older ones came with a sidecar, spare tire, and a shovel!
 
The Japanese are famous for copying other's designs and then improving on them. Why reinvent the wheel? One of their famous mistakes was to assume they had stolen one of our designs for an aircraft carrier that our naval counterintelligence operatives had slipped to them that had serious operational flaws, being top-heavy was one. They dutifully copied the design and spent a lot of time and effort building the ship only to watch it roll over right after launching.
 
I bought a manifold set for a Ferguson 135 gas tractor.. I never had such a terrible time fitting and grinding the manifold to fit. Typical China Boy junk that's sent over here. If I could have found a good OEM set , I'd have bought it instead. I won't make that mistake again.
 
Most everything out of India in the 70s was a copy of and IH design. Some still is to some degree.
 
Soviets started importing Fordsons in 1919 and soon became the largest importer of Fordson tractors. They attempted to copy and clone them but ran into metallurgy problems that caused many failures.
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The US is not the only copycat. After WW11 Harley Davidson copied the German DKW two stroke motorcycle. Naming it the Harley 125, first produced in 1948. England also had the rights to copy it, and called it a Bantam. I have a MF 235 that was made in Poland, with a Perkins 3 cylinder engine. I remember in the 60's the Japanese produced a Land rover with an almost exact copy of the Chevy 6 cylinder. Probably a lot of copying going on now with all the electronic stuff. Stan
 
There are a lot of counterfeit items enter the US at Ranier Minnesota, it one of the largest rail entry ports into our country. The containers are loaded from the ships onto rail cars in BC Canada, across CA and into MN. Somehow the Customs knows it's coming, and searches the containers, sometimes finding a whole container of counterfeit items. Not sure what they do with them, send them back?
 
(quoted from post at 11:01:33 01/02/21) The Japanese are famous for copying other's designs and then improving on them. Why reinvent the wheel? One of their famous mistakes was to assume they had stolen one of our designs for an aircraft carrier that our naval counterintelligence operatives had slipped to them that had serious operational flaws, being top-heavy was one. They dutifully copied the design and spent a lot of time and effort building the ship only to watch it roll over right after launching.
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Bill(wis), I looked up Japanese aircraft carriers and found a list of 21. It told what happened to them: 9 sunk by our subs 10 sunk by aircraft and two by naval gunfire. None by capsizing upon launch.
 
The military mad H.D make BMW motorcycles to be used in the desserts due to the back cylinder of the H.D. melting down because it got to hot but H.D. say it never happened
 
Dont remember the model # that Komatsu put on their copy, but parked beside a D6 Cat, the only difference is stickers.
 
Japan got so good at copying cameras & lenses, that some of the European countries.... especially Germany, began to help them out as the knew there market was in jeopardy. Japan began turning out far superior cameras in short order. Pentax, which was an unused VEB Zeiss camera name sold to Asahi, started out with the M42 mount & had the K mount developed with Zeiss.

In '72, Zeiss got out of camera manufacturing all together. The camera line was absorbed by Voigtlander, which was a subsidiary of Zeiss anyhow. When Zeiss wanted a camera to hang their quality lenses on, they rented out the Contax name to Yashica. The C/Y cameras were popular for about a decade before Kyocera bought them up & the rights to Contax went back to Zeiss.

The history of cameras in the 50's & 60's really makes for some interesting reading.

Mike
 
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I was just reading in 'Antique Power' magazine about the Russians in the early 'tractor days'. seems the Russians were challenged in tractor MFGing. they bought and reverse engineered Fordsons. They had lots of issues.The Russian metalurgy wasn't up to snuff at that time. Later they reverse engeeneered F20s,they made over 280,000 of them up untill 1955.IH only made 154,000 F20s.There were 4 different variations.The Russians also made copycat W30 and 10-20.They even hired American contractors to build tractor factories.I have also read where Sweden did the same with JD G and A during WW2.Only a few hundred of those were made.I wonder how many other countrys did the same?Not counting the Argentine 730,as they were made by JD,in a JD factory,useing JD tooling.Or the french F12,C,or the British MD/450It would be so cool if some of those foreign copy cats made it over here to the US.
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Not really a copycat, but this is about the ih made in EU and in ih factories. (now all closed). Foreign factories ran longer than us ones, but eventually close after cnh merging.

https://www.lestracteursrouges.com/fichier_tracteurs/les_tracteurs_ih_au_catalogue_francais.htm
 
Marusho (Japan) looks, and has interchangable parts with BMW. Fun to look at. Toyots Corolla 1.6l and 1.8l engines 2-TC and 3-TC were metric copies of a Chrysler Hemi cut in half and made to stand up. Same pushron action, same cam height in the block. Just a copy. Jim
 
They had a ship that was the biggest of its day. Before pulling out of port, they fired all the guns on one side of the ship. The ship rolled over on its side and sunk. I believe it was a battleship.
 
Ford had plants in India for making tractors for the Indian market, nowadays the plants make farmtrac tractors and some models are nearly identical to the Ford's of the 80s and 90s
 
Good evening: I notice the sign in background, a deer with four legs showing, and it is facing to the right, I think opposite to the real thing.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.
 
I remember in the 60's the Japanese produced a Land rover with an almost exact copy of the Chevy 6 cylinder. Stan
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Toyota copied the Chevy inline six cylinder and used it in the Land Cruiser, not a Land Rover, which is a British-built vehicle.
 
(quoted from post at 18:22:58 01/02/21) Toyots Corolla 1.6l and 1.8l engines 2-TC and 3-TC were metric copies of a Chrysler Hemi cut in half and made to stand up. Same pushron action, same cam height in the block. Just a copy. Jim
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Not a copy by far.
But the Toyota 3V, 4V & 5V
Hemi V8's were a whole lot closer.

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> The military mad H.D make BMW motorcycles to be used in the desserts due to the back cylinder of the H.D. melting down because it got to hot but H.D. say it never happened

The US military wanted a bike with shaft drive. The improved cooling was a side effect. I don't know why you say Harley claims they didn't build a motorcycle that is very well documented. And for the record, most folks don't ride in desserts because pudding and whipped cream tend to gum up their motorcycles.
Harley XA
 
(quoted from post at 15:08:47 01/02/21) They had a ship that was the biggest of its day. Before pulling out of port, they fired all the guns on one side of the ship. The ship rolled over on its side and sunk. I believe it was a battleship.
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SDE, I find no mention of a Japanese warship which capsized in port. All guns firing to one side, (they rotate) is something that battleships did routinely, in preparation for amphibious landings. On October 24, 1944, the Musashi which was one of two new huge Japanese Battleships was sunk in the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The Musashi lacked sufficient aerial protection in the battle, and sustained some 25 direct torpedo hits over more than four hours. The Vasa, as already said, sunk in port when the captain, who knew that the King had required too many cannon be put on her, ordered the crew to line up on one rail, then had them run to the other side, then back on his order. After a few more times she went over. In port.
 
The French copied the Ford Flat Head V8 8BA" '49-'53 engines up in the 1990s for their military trucks.A fellow in Texas bought a warehouse full of them in France,complete engines and blocks and parts.
 
(quoted from post at 07:41:38 01/03/21) The French copied the Ford Flat Head V8 8BA" '49-'53 engines up in the 1990s for their military trucks.A fellow in Texas bought a warehouse full of them in France,complete engines and blocks and parts.
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I believe you are talking about the Simca cargo truck, made from 1955 to 1966.

I believe that you can easily translate with a browser.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simca_Cargo

The Simca purchase of Ford is depicted here.
Due to relative lack of war involving France after 1960, the numerous Ford cargo were kept a long time and used for training during military service. I think last leave the army in the late 1990, so availability of v8 parts is still huge.

In the 1990, it was more common to see a Renault-berliet with an all fuel engine
 
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