My daughter made the mistake of driving home during our last snow storm. She said the wind was the biggest problem. Just before she got to her destination, at 1:50 A.M., she hit a "pile" of snow that someone pushed out across the town road. This morning I looked outside and her license plate is bent and everything below that is gone. It seems that people believe that when the snowplow comes through, that everything that they left out there will be removed, and that is true. But when is the plow coming through? A local business owner's son was killed when he hit one of these piles with a snowmobile, while driving at a high rate of speed on the shoulder of a road. To my knowledge it is illegal to leave snow on the road. I know, sour grapes.
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560Dennis
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- Location
- Madison,Ohio
Illegal to do that , you got a legimate claim to have it repaired
DoubleO7
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- Location
- Crystal River, FL
And where it is illegal to leave plowed snow in the road, has anyone ever ever ever heard or know someone that got a fine for doing so?
Michael Soldan
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I always watch for snow piles at the end of laneways when I am driving , I slow down if I see one coming up and I hang onto the wheel with both hands in case it puts me out of control. It is illegal in Ontario to drag snow out onto the road way. I am more worried about hitting a pile of snow and get thrown sideways and the ensuing wild ride down the ditch ! I have never had damage from a snow pile but certainly is possible with newer vehicles and their plastic fronts , air dams , bumper covers and inner fenders. Those things add up in a hurry
I think it is also illegal to drive a snowmobile on the roadway, so feel bad for the death but screwing around with a snowmobile is on him.
You have a legit issue with the car hitting snow left on the roadway, to be honest I very, very rarely see that here. About never.
Paul
You have a legit issue with the car hitting snow left on the roadway, to be honest I very, very rarely see that here. About never.
Paul
Case Nutty 1660
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Here if you leave some ridges 2-4" high that go off the edge of your plow is no biggy,, you leave a pile of snow ora ridge over 6-8" high in the roadway it is 100% a fineable offense and yes they do it,, I always clean up even the ridges when i have to move snow across the road, if it was high enough to bend a license plate then here could be charged with the damage repairs,, no clue how other places regulate it
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Doesn't matter, It would be common sense to NOT leave a mess in the road that is hazardous. If you must push across a road clean
up your windrows and don't leave hazards. How hard is that to understand ? Apparently very difficult for some. Either do it in a
safe manner or find another way. If society needs laws to control things like this, people just don't have a drop of common sense
anymore.
I have a rental property directly adjacent to a busy state road, tempting to push out and across the road, too dangerous. There is
another way. I have in the past done this when clearing a neighbors short road, but always cleaned up the windrows and left
nothing in the road. Honestly, it's more work to push across a road, whereas if on your property it may not have to be cleaned
100%.
It's no different than cutting grass, people enthusiastically point the discharge side of the mower deck towards the road, leave
all the clippings onto the pavement and often times shoot small stones, dirt and dust right at passing vehicles. I was riding with
a friend in a new truck and an old timer cutting the grass along the road, put a nice ding in his door with the mower. When
confronted about it, he just shrugs it off, literally like who cares, why are you bothering me with this? He could easily go the
other way. Doesn't take much intelligence to determine you should run the opposite direction and or wait for clearing in traffic
if you must run that way. Leaving the clippings in the road, how foolish and selfish is that, I mean really..... but this is the
mentality of some, it makes no sense at all.
up your windrows and don't leave hazards. How hard is that to understand ? Apparently very difficult for some. Either do it in a
safe manner or find another way. If society needs laws to control things like this, people just don't have a drop of common sense
anymore.
I have a rental property directly adjacent to a busy state road, tempting to push out and across the road, too dangerous. There is
another way. I have in the past done this when clearing a neighbors short road, but always cleaned up the windrows and left
nothing in the road. Honestly, it's more work to push across a road, whereas if on your property it may not have to be cleaned
100%.
It's no different than cutting grass, people enthusiastically point the discharge side of the mower deck towards the road, leave
all the clippings onto the pavement and often times shoot small stones, dirt and dust right at passing vehicles. I was riding with
a friend in a new truck and an old timer cutting the grass along the road, put a nice ding in his door with the mower. When
confronted about it, he just shrugs it off, literally like who cares, why are you bothering me with this? He could easily go the
other way. Doesn't take much intelligence to determine you should run the opposite direction and or wait for clearing in traffic
if you must run that way. Leaving the clippings in the road, how foolish and selfish is that, I mean really..... but this is the
mentality of some, it makes no sense at all.
495man
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It's the person who lives at the place, they plow from the house to the road, usually with something too small or poorly equipped for the job.
People with ATV plows seem to be worst offenders with 2nd place going to homemade plow mounted on gasoline 2wd antique tractor.
I drive THROUGH the snow at end of driveway and clear so I'm pushing back in.
Bob M
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I have not heard of anyone actually being fined. However we are warned before setting out to plow municipal sidewalks NOT to leave berms in the roadway. Otherwise the plow contractor risks possible fines or non-payment.
Doesn't matter the city DPW can solidly plug sidewalks we just cleared with THEIR plowed banks with no fear of a fine!
Another frustration: City residents that park cars spanning the sidewalk or leave trash cans/totes on the sidewalk during a snow emergency. Means we gotta maneuver around blocked driveways - a bunch backing up and turning around to get past each blocked driveway. And stop and dismount to move trash containers......or as I prefer simply plow them aside.
Doesn't matter the city DPW can solidly plug sidewalks we just cleared with THEIR plowed banks with no fear of a fine!
Another frustration: City residents that park cars spanning the sidewalk or leave trash cans/totes on the sidewalk during a snow emergency. Means we gotta maneuver around blocked driveways - a bunch backing up and turning around to get past each blocked driveway. And stop and dismount to move trash containers......or as I prefer simply plow them aside.
Case Nutty 1660
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so if I was to plow a pile of snow in the street in front of your house on the public street you would be responsible even if say you was at work when it was done? yikes
fixerupper
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Our county does not like to see farmers push snow across the road and into the ditch. It starts a drift that keeps on growing every time the snow blows. I still see a few farmers doing it though.
Funny you posted this. I was going to also. We had some snow and 29-30 mph winds last night. This morning on the way to the farm about 8 miles from my house people were out cleaning their driveways. 4 or 5 decent piles along the way left in the road. Big enough to jerk the steering wheel when trying to go through them. Very annoying ! I always clean the end of my drive from the road back toward the house. I really don’t understand why that is so difficult !
Rich'sToys
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- Location
- Southern MN
I also push all my snow back toward the yard.
Bob Bancroft
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- Location
- Aurora NY
It is not sour grapes, it's dangerous. I have even seen where someone entered the road with a blade full and they dumped and spread it across the road while leaving after their last pass. Whether it's snow or grass clippings, it's illegal to put it in the road. Unfortunately the only time legalities might get involved is if someone is killed.
47fivewindow
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- Location
- Davidsonville Md.
Without knowing the exact details, I think the homeowner is libel. I was once mowing by the road and a rock broke the window of a passing car. My homeowners insurance paid without complaint. I learned a lesson though.
I try to keep from pushing any snow into the road. If I have to I make sure down to the last cubic inch it is pushed off of the road with plenty of room to spare. Most likely with your example as well as what I have seen it is the people who have the time and equipment to do an excellent job of cleanup who leave snow in the road. These same people often have the attitude that the road is solely theirs and the others who live around them be darned.
rusty6
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- Location
- East central Sask.
I've swore and complained about that for years. Certain people, no names mentioned, push the snow out their driveway across the municipal road. The pile is out of the way but it will still catch a snow drift next time the wind blows. Plus those two little ridges left from each end of the blade will freeze and turn into some serious bumps on an otherwise smooth road. Really annoying. I make it a point to always leave a smooth finish out there so nobody can complain about me.
A guy down the road used to do this a lot also. He has a modern 4wd tractor/backhoe and could easily push the snow four feet down the ditch no problem but he would barely get the pile across the white line. An hour later and you had a big drift out of nowhere. He has finally figured it out since he has to drive through the new drift to get out
Bob N.Y.
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- Location
- Norway, N.Y.
The county where I grew up decided to enforce that law back in the early 1980s. It certainly isn't enforced where I live now!
DoubleO7
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- Location
- Crystal River, FL
But do you personally know of anyone being ticketed for doing it??
We have very little snow here in Tennessee, but I personally have been involved in THREE cases on the grass clippings on the road. In all three the complaint was dismissed as the diver has to be responsible for safe operation of the vehicle. You might round the corner and a fence post or something else in the road and it is you responsibility to have your vehicle under control. In these three instances the case was dismissed . One involved a motorcycle. Again not trying to start an argument just my observations. And in one case I had to testify as it was my neighbor and he always mows with the grass going to the road.
David Snipes
Member
I am aware of several people in the Spokane area who have been ticketed for pushing snow into local streets.
showcrop
Well-known Member
It is illegal here in NH too and it is the responsibility of the property owner because he is responsible for anyone that he hires to work on his property and to also check to make sure that they are insured. So far as enforcement, picture yourself being the cop that is assigned to respond to a complaint. You will need to talk to the property owner. Will they be home when you get there? When you find the owner at home will the pile of snow still be there? Will the owner admit to knowing that he is responsible? If he admits to being responsible will he admit to any knowledge of the event or who did it? Snow tends to melt, so will the offending pile even be there when you get there? As the officer would you see yourself on a fools errand unless there was property or bodily damage? Would you place high priority on the call?
Farmer Rock
Member
Two days after this recent snow storm,I went to run some errands,and some creep left a 1ft snow berm running strait across the road since they didn't have the common sense to clear the road after pushing snow across the road.Whenever I push snow across the road,I am very careful to leave it cleaner then it was before I started.
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DoubleO7
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- Location
- Crystal River, FL
That what I am thinking.
caterpillar guy
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If you plow the shoulder off when plowing you will not have that ridge from the county plowing the road. I also plow the road and shoulder from one drive to the other when doing the drive this eliminates the county leaving a ridge to drive through. I don't have to plow across the road and would do me no good since dad's drive is right across from mine so have to plow them both anyway. So for about 200 feet I plow both the drives and road by the time I get the mailbox cleaned out and the mouth of both drives done.
Farmall plowboy
Member
I used to push across the road, but as time went on I'd spend more time cleaning up then the job needed. Then come spring raking the gravel out'a the grass, now I just push it all in the yard.
In NYS it is. I never had to ticket anyone for it, but I did have to have "The Talk" with a lot of people after the Village, Town, County or State complained about it. It becomes a liability issue. A couple inches is one thing. We had people who'd leave most of their driveway in the roadway and expect the highway crews to move it for them. Some of the cases were way beyond anything reasonable.
Other states may not have any laws pertaining to this, but some do.
Rollie NE PA
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In Pennsylvania it is illegal to deposit anything on a public road including snow. If someone plows snow out on a public road and it causes a accident the property owner and or the person who plowed the snow is liable. I remember a case where a home owner was in Florida for the winter and had hired a person to maintain the property. That person plowed snow from the driveway onto the road that caused a accident resulting in a fatality. The home owner and the person who plowed the snow were held liable for the fatality.
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