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fdt860

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I saw this 5020 on Auctiontime.
Who in the world cuts that tractor should be sacrificied.
Then, how useful for emissions control is the removal of an old 5020 that will run maybe 100hrs a year?

Scrap them ugly 15 years old tractor abominations first...
Nobody needst them Deere 6920, 7420, 8320 to pollute our planete or our way of vision trough the fields...

https://www.auctiontime.fr/listings...20.2056499116.1608192981-909510617.1608192979

Anyway, I think I should buy this tractorm weld the block hole, reweld the frame, and resurrect it. Too nice to be scraldpped. It is also unbelievable that someone would le anave the quick hitch and third link on a scrapped tractor.
 
Yes, I think you should buy this tractor and put more $$ than it's worth into it to restore it to
it's former glory. More power to ya!!! I don't know what rock you have been living under, this is
the way of the greenie wienies, you can't use an old polluting tractor anymore. They can't be sold
to someone else to pollute with, they MUST BE DESTROYED!!!! If you need a tractor, you have to buy a
new environment friendly one that doesn't pollute and about all you can do to it yourself is change
the oil. Welcome to Joe and Kami's world!!
 
I do not think that a lot of money will be required to have it a 10K tractor, but that is just my opinion. I have rebuilt much, much worse than that.
 
I thought that when those were done that way for the program they had to bwe junked sort of like some of the stuff that comes out of these car plants where it had to be crushed and not sold for iron out to the public. Just a part of the rules to the program. Not saying I'm for it just the rules.
 
It's happening all over. A couple of months ago, our local high school had a homecoming pep rally where they had the football players beat up on an old bus. They give the football players a sledge hammer and some spray paint and they really demolished it. The next day I saw the bus being driven to a salvage area and it sounded really good. Curiosity getting the best of me, I went to look at it during my noon hour. I flipped the hood and it had a 7.3 Ford diesel under it, no oil leaks or anything. So I asked a coworker (who still has kids in high school) for some info on this bus. Turns out the bus no longer meets modern day emissions, so the government is paying the local school district $25,000 towards the purchase of a new bus. The requirements for getting this money is that this 7.3 engine must be destroyed, along with the (now beat up) bus that goes with it.
Now this is a perfectly good 7.3 diesel engine and has lots of hours left in it. As a taxpayer, does this make sense to anybody? I'm sure there's a few people on this group who would disagree with me, but my opinion is that the $25K could be better spent.
 
It seems that I am much like SV on this one!

I can tell you the only way to get people and companies to use less fuel is to raise the price of fuel, not demolish older engines while people would still buy a Ford F350 to go alone at work.

In EU, fuel is around $1.5 per liter or $6 per gallon, but at the end of the month, the bill is not much higher.
Best Diesel cars are averaging 3 to 3.5l per 100km or 67 to 78Mpg.

Now for people using trucks or semi, the bill is much higher than in the US, but US trucking is by far the most expensive in the world. I am still sick at the invoice sent by the John Deere Dealer of Hastings Nebraska. $3 per mile and then he said "fuel is expensive" Are you freaking kidding me?
 
Some of these rules on tractors, Bob cat and big trucks are just something else. I know of a guy that had some of his log trucks change back to the old way as of one turbo instead of two and then change the settings in the computer. The reason at frist was to quit hauling logs because the trucks were only getting 4 miles to the gallon and the cost of hauling was not worth it. I guy told him at a shop that if he change it back he would get better mileage and more power so he did it and the felLA was right whet to 8 miles per gallon and alot of more power. This guy also did a truck that runs out to the coas an in California an was pulled in for emission and past it. The guy that was testing the truck went an got his big Boss and they could not believe what they did to the motor and they were mad but could not do any thing because the truck pass all the test. They didn't want to so they let him go after they wanted the shops name and he told them well the guy closed up shop because he past away.
 
You can't change the oil in them. They have to be tested for what is in the oil as for what's in it. Tests like rod and main bearing, cam bushings,fuel an antifreeze. They will send a guy out to do the oil job to make sure it is a clean test.
 
Then we can replace with def engines, which are $15,000 more, and use up nitrogen fertilizer, exotic metals, and all the cardboard and plastic packaging, less
efficiency and far less durable.

It’s a downhill society.

Paul
 
(quoted from post at 05:50:31 12/17/20) It's happening all over. A couple of months ago, our local high school had a homecoming pep rally where they had the football players beat up on an old bus. They give the football players a sledge hammer and some spray paint and they really demolished it.
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What am eye opening, learning experience for young peoples. uySurely, the values and lessons learn there will last them a lifetime... Time well spent. Disassemble the bus and study some of the parts would have been much less use for them kids.

This will make them good US citizens and good persons...

Did you ever watch the movie "Idiotcratie '' ? What you describe sounds much like it.
 

I am very surprised that the TERP program allows the tractors to be sold at public auction in any form.I

You should be happy to be able to buy it and then use the parts to keep another 5020 belching the pollutants that the program money is paying out to remove said pollution.

Where does the TERP funds come from?
Your taxes.
 

That 5020 auction tractor looks like it has not been used for years.
Somebody probably dragged it off the fence line and terped it.

It would be funny if it sells at auction for more than the terp program paid for it.
 
And most important, this tractor is obsolete in all forms, so nobody will use enough fuel to retire it.
Yes the guy destroying it did a poor job. I have plenty of parts to fix it, but I live in France now and this will have to go in a Container.


I have seen more than one TERP tractor for sale, always done by a smart butcherer, so in running condition.

Smarter move would have been to buy a tractor at a salvage yard, TERP it, and get the money from STUPIDS.
 
(quoted from post at 08:44:26 12/17/20)
That 5020 auction tractor looks like it has not been used for years.
Somebody probably dragged it off the fence line and terped it.

It would be funny if it sells at auction for more than the terp program paid for it.
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I agree, but I think it has also been TERP long time ago. Meaning that the company in charge of recycling probably hide it in a corner, and went bankrupt before doing it, or the company is selling the tractor back after it has been known to the government as broken for few years.
 
Idiocracy? That movie is a genuine crystal ball that looks into the near future. Quite accurately, I'm afraid. Wonder if I should just give in now &
start watering everything in the garden with Brawndo? It's got electrolytes you know. :vD

Another good movie pertaining to the times is They Live. However, we should have put the glasses on a long time ago.

Mike
 
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

same thing with the cash for clunkers which in total cost some ridiculous amount of $$/car for the goobbberment to run the program
 
I dont know any actual monetary values or environmental impact studies, however, seems to me that if you take an item that already exists and is working just fine (school bus) and send it off to the scrap yard for not being emissions compliant only to use tons of raw materials to make a new school bus the "environment" is losing in the end. I'm no greenie, but I do know that harvesting all of the new materials thru mining or recycling or whatever has a environmental impact as opposed to just keeping the old school bus on the road.
 
In a smoke filled meeting room, somewhere deep in the heart of Texas a meeting of school bus CEO's took place.
It was decided that their products were so good they were not wearing out fast enough.
So they agreed to pay politicians under the table to implement a new program, and call it a "green initiative" to use tax dollars to entice school boards to scrap their old busses and buy new busses.
 

I hate seeing good stuff ruined, especially when the amount of emissions saved by not running it is far less than what is generated making a replacement tractor.

Flip side....if you had a $10,000 tractor you didn't use much or at all and a program offered you $20,000 for it.....
 
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