OT: Daily Driver Perkins In An F-250.

8NChris · Nov 3, 2020

Hello,
After completing my 14th trouble free 1200 mile round trip in my 65 F-250 I am considering a diesel swap. I know what is involved with a 7.3 and somewhat familiar with a few Cummins transplants. This post is questioning the Perkins 6354. My drive train is a Clark 282V with a 5531-A auxiliary transmission. With all that said my starting and final cruise gears will not be an issue. I have sort of out grown my hot rodding stage. Looking for mpg towing and empty. Would a direct injection Perkins from a Balewagon make a good donor?
Thank's

P.S. The old Ford drew a lot of attention once hooked with an 18' dump bed half full concrete and debris. Nowadays I get proof that old, rusted and gas guzzling does not mean weak and unreliable.

Vito · Nov 3, 2020

Personally I would go b the Cummins route. All the conversion parts
are readily available.

Vito

Farmer Rock · Nov 3, 2020

What size perkins diesel and how many cylinders?
By 7.3 I assume you mean a 7.3 powerstroke,but have you considered a 6.9 or 7.3 idi?They were made by IH before the
powerstroke,and are completely mechanical.It should fit fine in there with minor modifications and you will have a v8 diesel
truck.I have two 6.9 idi trucks,one being a 1987 f250,and the other a 1987 international flatbed truck.Really good and
dependable motors that are nice to work on.

Rock

Bob Bancroft · Nov 3, 2020

6354 Perkins is a 354 cu in 6 cyl engine. I agree with Vito on the Cummins.

lee little · Nov 3, 2020

I have 13 years of trouble free driving with a 5.9 cummins in a 93 F250 4x4. That is the route I would recommend.

Farmer Rock · Nov 3, 2020

If you are going to swap it,you might as well keep it in the family and go with the international motor.just sayin'

Rock

MikeJM · Nov 3, 2020

Having been around and inside all sorts of engines. The only two engines I would consider for a swap is the mechanical B series Cummins or a DT360 out of a school bus or similar.

I would lean towards the Cummins just for parts availability.

I would say no on the 6.9/7.3 idi international, not as many out there anymore.

The Perkins is ok, but again, parts can be tricky to get, depending on what Dot number it is. Saw on in an old IH travelette once, wasnt impressed.

37 chief · Nov 3, 2020

If the engine is servicing you well maybe you should leave it in the truck. I have the same model ford. It still has the stock 289. Not many of those trucks around my area anymore. Stan

shaun wallace · Nov 3, 2020

I see its a Texas truck. Has 352 trans? 4: rear gears. It will pull better than stops. Had that problem with 63 F100 292 T98 4 speed 3:89 gears it would pull it but stopping them kind of loads was the
problem. As changing to diesel front supension will have to be beefed up, trans and rear gears will have to be changed to be more compatible to diesel engine.

Sprint 6 · Nov 4, 2020

I, personally, would be looking at a 7.3
Powerstroke swap from a 94-97 model.
Electronics aren't that complicated, and
no intercooler to deal with. My second
would be a 7.3 IDI with a turbo kit,
because with a bellhousing swap, your
current transmission would be compatible.

The Cummins B series is a great engine,
but there is no way I could live with one
in an old truck as a daily driver. Way
too much vibration and noise, my feet
would go numb and I'd be deaf.

Farmer Rock · Nov 4, 2020

Just for the record there is an abundance
of parts for IDIs,and plenty engines
around.Check out marketplace and
craigslist.And parts I have always gotten
everything from NAPA pretty easily.

Rock

BarnyardEngineering · Nov 4, 2020

Lots of people recommending this and that with no regard to availability or cost here...

6BT Cummins, you're going to pay dearly for one, if you can even find one. The Cummins Worshipers will pay just about any amount for one in any condition so they can say they own a Cummins.

DT360 International... Where you gonna find one? They haven't used it in a bus or truck since 1987, and there aren't any 1987 buses around. School districts get rid of them long before they get that old. You're stuck finding the odd one that got parked in the back corner of some hoarder's lot for storage and has been sitting there for the last 30 years.

Pretty much any old diesel you'd want to swap in is going to involve some amount of dumb luck to find one that isn't totally clapped out at a price you can agree with.

Time has passed, fellas. What was a great idea in 1998 is not so much anymore.

8NChris · Nov 4, 2020

(quoted from post at 17:32:19 11/03/20) Hello,
After completing my 14th trouble free 1200 mile round trip in my 65 F-250 I am considering a diesel swap. I know what is involved with a 7.3 and somewhat familiar with a few Cummins transplants. This post is questioning the Perkins 6354. My drive train is a Clark 282V with a 5531-A auxiliary transmission. With all that said my starting and final cruise gears will not be an issue. I have sort of out grown my hot rodding stage. Looking for mpg towing and empty. Would a direct injection Perkins from a Balewagon make a good donor?
Thank's

P.S. The old Ford drew a lot of attention once hooked with an 18' dump bed half full concrete and debris. Nowadays I get proof that old, rusted and gas guzzling does not mean weak and unreliable.

hank's for the responses. I purchased this truck back in 2011 because I had a 7.3 IDI in the shop. A fellow Slick60s member said he didn't like all involved. When I lowered it in the engine compartment the starter pocket hovered the frame rail while the steering gear was in way of the oil cooler. I wasn't interested in chopping the frame or raising the cab.

On the Brown-Lipe it is dumb luck I bought one from an International that used the front wheel speedometer drive. I am in the process of obtaining the speedometer gears for the tail shaft.

Paul Shuler · Nov 4, 2020

I have a 64 with the original 292 V-8. Has a lot of low end but is geared very low. About 55 is the max I can run with it. I am assuming you have done some major brake upgrades. My old truck does good to stop
itself. Lol

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8NChris · Nov 4, 2020

(quoted from post at 08:39:10 11/04/20) I have a 64 with the original 292 V-8. Has a lot of low end but is geared very low. About 55 is the max I can run with it. I am assuming you have done some major brake upgrades. My old truck does good to stop
itself. Lol

<img src="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cvphotos/cvphoto61803.png"

till 4 drums but I did upgrade to new pre-bent brake lines and master cylinder for a 1967 F-250. Spent the $150 on a NOS distribution block. Keep the trailer brakes adjusted and it is good to stop. Would be better with power disc. The new wiring harness and 3G alternator I installed a couple of years back eliminated a lot of potential problems. Doesn't look as good as your truck but it gets me there.

8NChris · Nov 4, 2020

Current engine is a 352. I am thinking the Perkins 5" stroke will hold the hill's well. I can see it sluggish in a loaded Balewagon though.

old · Nov 4, 2020

I have a 1965 1 ton Ford with factory dump bed. It has only 80,898 miles on it. But I have problems finding parts for it due to its age and it being a State fleet truck

8NChris · Nov 4, 2020

(quoted from post at 09:45:13 11/04/20) I have a 1965 1 ton Ford with factory dump bed. It has only 80,898 miles on it. But I have problems finding parts for it due to its age and it being a State fleet truck

believe mine was a former U-Haul rental. It originally had cream colored valve covers and a govenor spacer under the 2 barrel carburetor. A couple of seasoned mechanics recognized the engine details. Have you located tubeless rims for your 1 ton? It is my understanding some if the Class A Dodge motor homes had the same bolt pattern as the early Ford one tons.

SVcummins · Nov 4, 2020

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Hobo,NC · Nov 4, 2020

I would look into stroking it to a 410 are put a 460 in it... I do understand the idea of a diesel : )...

It would not take much to add a power brake booster to it...

MikeJM · Nov 4, 2020

(quoted from post at 14:00:14 11/04/20) Lots of people recommending this and that with no regard to availability or cost here...

6BT Cummins, you're going to pay dearly for one, if you can even find one. The Cummins Worshipers will pay just about any amount for one in any condition so they can say they own a Cummins.

DT360 International... Where you gonna find one? They haven't used it in a bus or truck since 1987, and there aren't any 1987 buses around. School districts get rid of them long before they get that old. You're stuck finding the odd one that got parked in the back corner of some hoarder's lot for storage and has been sitting there for the last 30 years.

Pretty much any old diesel you'd want to swap in is going to involve some amount of dumb luck to find one that isn't totally clapped out at a price you can agree with.

Time has passed, fellas. What was a great idea in 1998 is not so much anymore.

Um, you need to get your info straight, they started installing DT360s in 1987 and stopped around 94. They are not that hard to find around here. In fact the chip truck parked across the street has a DTA360 in it.

Same with the 6BT Cummins, $1000-$1500 will buy you a running one around here.

7.3 idi, last one I had I scrapped, no one wanted it.

caterpillar guy · Nov 4, 2020

Leave it and drive it. All the work and time will never be made back even by driving it.

8NChris · Nov 5, 2020

Thank's for the ideas but back to the question of donor. I've seen a handful of these conversions online and figured some of those guys were a member here. I suppose a New Holland 1069 would be an appropriate donor. The 5 speed Clark's share the 5 speed New Process bellhousing. I suppose the New Holland would use the Ford case Clark. Sound right?

SVcummins · Nov 5, 2020

If you want to do it do it.

8NChris · Nov 5, 2020

Thank's for the ideas but back to the question of donor. I've seen a handful of these conversions online and figured some of those guys were a member here. I suppose a New Holland 1069 would be an appropriate donor. The 5 speed Clark's share the 5 speed New Process bellhousing. I suppose the New Holland would use the Ford case Clark. Sound right?

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