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i didnt want to steal the thread below about the ac combine
so has any one here used a pull type combine?
what brand, good or bad luck with it?
my dad had a john deere 25 combine, did a ok job, but the canvas was always a problem,

my uncle had a massey ferguson with a auger platform, it did real good, and was very dependable,

whats your pull type combine?
thanks
 
Played with a JD 30 a few yrs. ago. SIL & I put 2 together to make one. It did a nice job & was a fun project. Sold it to a club member who gets it out once a yr. just to keep it limbered up.
 
I owned a 96,106 John Deere and pulled my friends Case 42 inch machine, dont work too good with row crops, but for small grains and you got a extra tractor their fine! But if the wind is in the wrong direction it can blew a lot of straw and chaff, towards the tractor you have to watch the radiator,and air filter!!!!
 
Back in the '50's & early '60's, Dad had an A6 Case combine with a Hercules water cooled "pony" engine. There were a lot of A6's in our part of SD. Ours was the only one that had a water cooled engine, that I knew of. Most were V-4 Wisconsin's. The Case combines were very reliable and did a good job. We also had a pull type, ground driven 12' Case windrower that we used to cut grain for the combine. We did a lot of "custom" work, both cutting & combining. I did almost all of the cutting with that windrower. Dad & my brother ran the combine & hauled off the grain. (The grain tank held a mammoth 25 bushels.) We pulled the combine with an H Farmall. Depending on how heavy the grain was, low gear or low throttle second gear was used. A 12' wide cut of rye or good wheat filled the 6' wide pick-up head on the A6. Low gear idling was sometimes to fast for the "Herk" to handle the load. You could hear that pony motor "bellering" a half-mille away on a still day.
 
Back when I was in Junior and regular High School I went to my uncle's farm every summer. He had a MM G-4 pull type combine with an engine on it. We used it for swathed small grains, The swather was 14 ft I believe. As I got older I got to operate the combine. It did a good job at that time, real slow compared to what they have now. The air cleaner stack and radiator intake were both very high to keep the dust at bay. you could engage the combine and control the header from the tractor.
DWF
 
Interested what you are calling a 42" pull-type CASE do you have any pics by chance? biggest they made for production was a 40" 400 or 460 models as far as capacity, they made a lot of smaller ones that had 4 to 7 foot headers though they included the A-6 F,F2 77 ect they had a 1660 sized pull-type (52" that was the competitor to your 106) one ready to go when they dropped combine production in very early 1970,, last machine was made in December 1970 but they sold the last NOS machine in 1974,, be neat to see those pull-types working,,
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When I was a kid in the '50s my dad did all his combining with a Woods (Wood?) Brothers pull-type combine with a gas engine. What I remember most about it is that he was always having to use some sort of glue to patch the canvas, and the Wisconsin engine never wanted to start. But it had great internal cavities that filled with chaff and provided nesting spots for free-range hens.
 
I used a JD 30 for several years to cut rye that was planted as a cover crop after tobacco. It worked good.
 
(quoted from post at 15:53:09 10/17/20) i didnt want to steal the thread below about the ac combine
so has any one here used a pull type combine?
what brand, good or bad luck with it?
my dad had a john deere 25 combine, did a ok job, but the canvas was always a problem,

my uncle had a massey ferguson with a auger platform, it did real good, and was very dependable,

whats your pull type combine?
thanks
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I had enough experience with an Oliver 15. That machine had a canvass to deliver the grain to the thresher. The sickle drive always gave us trouble.
 
Not mine, but today I saw a CIH pull type combine harvesting corn....4 row header, open station CIH tractor, near Elmira ON. Never saw one in corn before!

Ben
 
John Deere 12A pulled by a WD Allis Chalmers which made a real good combination because of the WD's live PTO with the hand clutch. Also the 12A tounge was on the right side. Ours had a grain tank that, I think, held about 50 bushels, so no bagging. We had a Kory gravity wagon. Just one. It was pulled by a WC Allis Chalmers to a New Idea elevator that elevated the grain into the bins thru multiple chutes which was considered quite modern at the time. We never touched the grain. I'm trying to remember the year we started doing that. It might have been around 1950. I remember the last year I did it. It was 1964. I was home from the Army at combining time and got to do it one more time. Does anyone remember who and when built the last pull type combine? I think it was John Deere. And I think it was before the turn of the century (20 to 21). And by the way. Back when we were doing this, everyone agreed that Allis Chalmers made the best combines/ So, why did we use a John Deere? Beats me. I'm still using a John Deere combine. Why? Beats me. (;>)) I'll tell you one thing, though. They have great capacity and dealer support. When I call for help, they are there pronto. When I call for a part or parts they deliver them. Day or night. Saturday and Sunday included.
 
I have an International 80 that I have used mostly to combine oats. I have used it a little in barley and rye. It works good if there aren't too many weeds .It doesn't take many green weeds to clog everything up.
 
I used an AC 60 on my few acres. Ran wheat and soybeans. Canvases were a problem until I replaced them with new ones, then it worked good. I repaired a few places on it, but it's such a simple machine was not a problem. I haven't used it for a few years and would sell it if someone's interested.
 
My Dad had one of those when I was a little kid. It had a Wisconsin motor on it. He pulled it with a Jubilee Ford. When he combined
wheat, he would put me in the wagon so I couldn't get away and go combine and check on me when he
had to empty the hopper. One time he caught a couple baby rabbits and put them in the wagon with me
and the wheat for me to try to catch while he combined. Good old days!!!!
 
I would love to have one of those! I do have a case 77 that I have used. It need a new canvas so it hasn't been used in a few years. My 1160 does the work now. May get a canvas and run it again next year. It's a nice machine and does a good job. One of my first jobs as a boy was following dad around the field while he combined with a 77 just like mine. I drive out for jubilee and pulled wagons along side so he could dump on the go. Used the Ford because it was narrow enough to get the wagon under the auger if I rubbed the rear wheel right against the tire on the 830 dad pulled the combine with. I was so small then that I wasn't heavy enough to push the clutch down bu just standing on it, had to pull up in the steering wheel to push it down. Must have been 8 or 9 years old then. Was a big deal for me back then. Dad did a lot of custom work so I drive many days doing that.
 
The neighboring farm had a JD 30 combine that was kept inside when not in use. It's been gone for a long time now. AC had most of that market around here with JD second and the others a distant third.
 
My Massey Ferguson 851
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This was the same as the MF850 SP. a big pull type combine. I dragged it around for many years with this old IH 966, and it was a good pair. The last few years I have pulled it with my Kubota, with a better cab as I can no longer be in the dust.
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I only have a pickup head, and swath all of my grain with a MF swather with a 10 foot head.
 
Have a M-2 Case pull type with VAC Case engine...50s vintage.
Have a Case model 77 pull type with a Case air cooled engine...late 50s vintage.
Have a 400 Case pto pull type combine...1965 model.
My son just purchased a 460 Case pto pull type...1966 model.
This summer I bought a White 8650 pto pull type combine...1980 model.
All of them are very smooth running good machines...don't have pics of them all....
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I've worked with uncles and Dad on several in North Dakota small grain country from grade school time until I was about age 20.

John Deere No. 17, John Deere No. 5A, John Deere 12A, McCormick 122C, John Deere 65, MM G4, (These all had their own engines - 2 cyl, 4 cyl, 6 cyl)

Dad owned the John Deere No. 5 and had it rigged for one man operation by controlling the tractor from the combine. I operated that quire a lot when I was 18. It kept a person very busy !!!
 
Our first combine was an AC, pto driven, 4' cut. Our second combine was a Woods Bros. Dearborn with an industrial engine, 6' foot cut. I was too young to pull the AC but I spent many hours with the Woods Bros. We quit farming in the early 60's.
 
Oh, I see....the one I saw today was also in mennonite country, was a CIH newer model maybe a 1661.Perhaps those axial flow combined had less of an issue to offset the header.

Ben
 
I thought it was a bit wider than the 96 Deere, but i just looked at the Calender he made for us participants, it is a 460,it's a very nice machine yet,just a little rust on the shoe as you you look into the portals or portholes. He's got the ability to find these very nice machine for little or nothing, and gathers them up, the guy that bought it used it one year ,and then put his land into soil bank or something.I had the picture of me combing it was my xmas card that year 2017 !
 
My grandfather ran a 60 during WW 2. It was a bagger with the power unit. He pulled it with a unstyled JD B. They had a 66 when I was young it had a pto with a bin. I have spent a few hours in the straw rack changing cylinder bars. Dad pulled it with a JD G. Grandpa I was told did a lot of custom work during the war.
 
While driving through Kansas about 5 years ago, I spotted a large, IHC pull type combine. It appeared identical to the current self propelled combines, only it was a pull type.

That was the only time I saw one, and I know nothing of its origin.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a White pull behind. Now that I think about it there was a farm around 40 miles away that had a JD 6601 pull type combine. Also had a JD 4010 diesel standard. Both pretty rare around here. Been awhile since I was out that way to know if they are still there.
 
My brother and I have a 1949 Case A-6 that we resued. We use it for cover crop grains like rye and barley. It is fun to operate!

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We had a model 62 International when Dad died and we used that till I was in high school and I traded it in on a model 76. This was in the mid 50s and had a new 300 farmall with live pto. Big improvement over the 62 with the cub engine. After that I went to the self propelled 101, Two John Deere 95s then to a 510 Massey, 750 Massey, 860 Massey, 9600 Deere and then to the 9610 Deere that I finished my farming career on.
 
Father bought an almost new Oliver 18 in 64 or 65. He used it until he died in 04. A really good combine but not good for more than an acre per hour. You could almost plant bin run from it.
 
Hey Tom, my dad had a 62 also,i was just a 7 yr old kid when that was at the farm, all i know it wouldn't feed in good,in picking up swathed grain! So in 1953 he bought a new 64 IHC Combine, no auger on that,straight in,but that would kick over Oats bad if you pushed it!
 
It would have been a 1482 or a 1682, Ben, the only axial flows that CIH built. I always found it surprising that more of the big pull type combines weren't sold, particularly in the West as there would be a significant cost savings.
 
I have a 460 Case, the last pull type that J.I.Case built, late 60s machine. Mine has all the edible bean options(bucket elevator, spike tooth cylinder, perforated boots, etc. It is a smooth running machine. It is essentially a 660, the smallest of the Case self propelled lineup of that era. Pull types always seem so much easier to do repairs and maintenance on as you don't have all the propulsion items hindering access to the threshing and separating areas. Mud is their big drawback! Opening fields if straight cutting is their other shortfall.
 
Remember dad riding the neighbor's bagger JD back in the 60's. Only thing they used it for as oats. I loved to slide down the chute. I think he pulled it with a Case 630. It had its own engine, which was a crank start and would not start when it was hot. So once they got it started, they left it running all day. Long gone, as is the farm and the barn. Now sliced up into building lots, trailer park, and a storage place. Sad....

Tim
 
Ran a AC 6ft pull with canvas on many many acres oats and beans with canvas best small grain combine ever built. But did complete chechover all parts every day and covered with canvas when on the road doing custom work Just like any machine you take care of it and it will take care of you. Started out age13 new M Farmall and new combine what kind of trouble would there b e today if a father let his son do such.
 
20yrs ago you could not give them away but now a small farm needs them and i see the prices go up best small grain combine ever made
 
a 460 is a heck of a machine but as you see in the lit it was a 12' wide header machine I knew lots of guys who used 16' swathers to cut grain for them though,, it is the same machine inside as a 660 is the smallest of the CASE SP machines and was powered by a 60 hp engine where a 1660/1665 machine that was the JD 105 competitor uses a 100 hp engine and has 52" wide cylinder and all the way through the machine compared to the 460 40", the 460 also uses a straw rack rather than straw walkers, that sure sounds like a heck of a NICE one your friend has I always hoped to find a nice 400/460 but have not so far
cnt
 
Planted 40 acres in oats one year for feed, was going to have a neighbor combine it for me but the way the weather was going that fall it was not looking good.

Bought an old CO-OP 960 pull type and dragged it home.

Pretty near cried after I plugged it up on a wet swath in a low spot but other than that it did the job.

Slow and steady wins the race and it paid for itself the first time I emptied the hopper.

Still sitting out behind the trees.
 
I run a John Deere no 30 on a few acres a year seems to work good .But when I was a kid Dad had a all crop 60 and to this day I still like that combine, long gone now, also I remember the case combines there were alot of them around
 
My brother in law had a John Deere #17 combine that he pulled with an unstyled A. He rigged up a steering wheel from the combine platform to the tractor and had a rope to the clutch and another to the throttle. Looked really strange to see the tractor pulling the combine with no one on it!
 
My dad had an AC 66 All Crop from early 1960s through 1970s. Milo was the big cash crop then. He pulled it with his WD 45. He sold it in late 1970s.
I later found it at a local museum here in south Texas. I am really sure it was dad's by four distinguishing signs.
The tire under the hopper is not a implement type but the truck tire dad put on.
In the back there is a chain drive to elevate the seed to the hopper. The grain stubbles kept knocking it off. I put a board in front of the chain. That board is still there.
The straw walker has some wooden block bearings on the forward side. One year they broke. In a pinch we fashioned some replacements from mesquite wood. They are still there.
Another year the inside header hinge broke. I couldn't get wrenches in between the metal fenders to the bolts to remove the hinge. I had to chisel an opening in the fender for the wrench.
That opening is still there. Here I am pointing out the signs to my grandson.
This past year I built a working model of the AC 66.
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Hi Paul. I’m interested. Where in Michigan are you? How much do you want for it? You can send me an email if you want.
Thanks
 
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