Goats And Gardens

8NChris · Sep 17, 2020

Hello,
We are planning on some small gardening next year. My neighbors kids are about 6 weeks old. At this point what could I do to train them now before they become what kids become? Hardheaded, unstoppable, uncontainable goats. Right now they are scared of our dogs but I don't want our dogs trampling the garden protecting it. I don't recall ever seeing a fence that could contain a goat.

The issue with the goats and garden is my neighbor and I were both given permission to use the abandon property between us. Meaning I have no say over his goats and he has no say over what I fence off.

I helped this one get home one time, now she follows me around.

Absent Minded Farmer · Sep 17, 2020

My aunt used 5' hog panels to keep hers in. Would guess you could do the same to keep them out.

Mike

8NChris · Sep 17, 2020

(quoted from post at 20:04:34 09/17/20) My aunt used 5' hog panels to keep hers in. Would guess you could do the same to keep them out.

Mike

could start there. I guess what little goat experience I had were goats possessed. They would climb fences and low hanging trees. The male would go for my wallet. When I picked up my arms and said get out of here he would rare up and buck in a circle. Guess he thought I was playing. If I swatted his back side he would get his feelings hurt till the next morning and then he was back to being nosy.

sammydwm · Sep 17, 2020

Had goats for years and never had a problem keeping them in a fence.
Have use 3 strands of hot wire, cattle panels, field fence, and portable electric net fencing at one time or another.

8NChris · Sep 17, 2020

(quoted from post at 20:31:15 09/17/20) Had goats for years and never had a problem keeping them in a fence.
Have use 3 strands of hot wire, cattle panels, field fence, and portable electric net fencing at one time or another.

hanks to the both of you. The electric fence was on my mind. I am about to use one on our lab.

Traditional Farmer · Sep 18, 2020

Yep if he wants to contain the goats he needs to go ahead and put up a fence using panels,I use cattle panels.With electric sooner or later something will happen and the goats will get in the garden and tear things up in a hurry,some goats will also get to the point they will ignore the electric fence and go right thru it.

caterpillar guy · Sep 18, 2020

My solution would be to either not use that for the garden or get rid of the goats.

coshoo · Sep 18, 2020

From a lot of goat experience:
Forget training them. You can't train an animal not to eat.
Cattle panels will work. Electric net fencing will work. Electric wires will not.

Part Time Pete · Sep 18, 2020

I wonder if invisible fence with a shock collar would work?

MJMJ · Sep 18, 2020

Keeping goats out is very easy, keeping them in is nearly impossible. A simple fence should suffice unless they learn there's food in there.

8NChris · Sep 18, 2020

(quoted from post at 02:36:44 09/18/20) From a lot of goat experience:
Forget training them. You can't train an animal not to eat.
Cattle panels will work. Electric net fencing will work. Electric wires will not.

eah I didn't word that right. I was thinking about spraying Coyote urine or walking the dogs around over there and letting then pee the perimeter.

teddy52food · Sep 18, 2020

They taste like venison.

muleman51 · Sep 18, 2020

We used to have goats, always used one electric wire. Just crimp on tin can lids to train them, they can't resit to lick it, seems to be very
effective. Just don't leave the gate open, they will find that in a hurry,ours particularilly liked Connie's roses.

jal-SD · Sep 18, 2020

And they make great chislic, if harvested before they get too old & tough! Probably only those of German Heritage, or if they are from an area that was populated with folks who were from that part of world know what chislic is.

Mike M · Sep 18, 2020

The cattle panels will also allow you dual purpose. They should keep the goats out and the dogs can be there to help keep them chased away and the panels will keep the dogs out of the garden too.

farmallboy15 · Sep 18, 2020

We never had any kind of trouble containing goats *as long as they had good nummies on their side of the fence*. We used as little as two strands of temporary electic fence ~10" high and 18" high. Babies could
still slip through but they wouldn't stray far from their moms. We also had four board fence with a hot strand between the first and second board. 4x4 woven wire / 4x4 cattle panels was 100% effective (babies
or grown). We had about 50 meat goats at one time...

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https://www.external_link.com/tsc/product/red-brand-goat-fence-48-in-x-330-ft?cm_vc=-10005#

larbear · Sep 18, 2020

Correct me where I am wrong, barbed wire is cheaper than all others? If you can set up an electric fence to
keep a bull where you want him, I think goats will feel the energy. Ever watch two goats head butt?

Traditional Farmer · Sep 19, 2020

Obvious you have never owned goats.(LOL)Barbed wire is cheap and junk for even cattle in my opinion calves can go right thru it.Electric is even worse.

MJMJ · Sep 19, 2020

(quoted from post at 07:07:49 09/19/20) Obvious you have never owned goats.(LOL)Barbed wire is cheap and junk for even cattle in my opinion calves can go right thru it.Electric is even worse.

So maybe youve never owned cattle? Or at least never built a good wire fence. Barbed wont hold a goat, but itll sure as heck hold cattle in. If not built half azzed, not even even calves go through.

Bret4207 · Sep 19, 2020

(quoted from post at 06:36:44 09/18/20) From a lot of goat experience:
Forget training them. You can't train an animal not to eat.
Cattle panels will work. Electric net fencing will work. Electric wires will not.

Agree 100%. And make sure there is food inside the fence for them to eat. Any hungry animal will get through any fence.

mikewood869 · Sep 19, 2020

A good five foot fence is good. With a electric fence they need to lick it or something or they will go right through the fence. I have two goat that would go through a 5 wire electric fence and two that have tried to eat the fence, now they don't go near it. Pallets work, but rot in 3 to 6 years.

8NChris · Sep 19, 2020

(quoted from post at 06:22:46 09/19/20) A good five foot fence is good. With a electric fence they need to lick it or something or they will go right through the fence. I have two goat that would go through a 5 wire electric fence and two that have tried to eat the fence, now they don't go near it. Pallets work, but rot in 3 to 6 years.

hank's for the responses. For those who didn't catch it in my first post, goats if inclined can climb just about anything. Not that bad at jumping either.

Traditional Farmer · Sep 19, 2020

Woven wire is a lot better and calves will go right thru barb wire.Owned cattle for 68 years BTW.

larbear · Sep 19, 2020

Had a goat given to me when I was on Vancouver Island 30 years ago now. Brought me back to farming and
animal husbandry which is the way I grew up on a small mixed farm. I had a stock wire fenced in area for
the goat. I tied it out on a chain and collar at least once a day. Over fed it and wasted hay in the pen but
didn't have much problem otherwise. People said the area where I grazed the goat on a chain never came back
with growth 15 years later. I gave the goat away to a guy with a few. Dropped it of and had it had to go
head butt to say hello. Who needs drugs when you get your brain gets rattled like that. I've kept and raised
cattle for every year except 91 the year my Dad died. Ten cows and calves and a bull until a year or so ago,
I still have a few though I haven't eaten meat, fish or poultry for almost a year. I don't feel inclined to
particularly.

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