Today's Problem

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

Helper shut the 504 off with PTO engaged, so it ran on and sputtered. Got on it to start and dead. Nothing. Fuse? VR ?

Thanks

Not Having fun Haying

SVcummins · Jun 9, 2020

Won’t crank or won’t fire

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

Correct. No dash lights either for AMP and OIL.

Nothing.

Good batt. Adjusted points gap last night. Running real good prior.

Janicholson · Jun 9, 2020

The issue is a connection, either a ground, or hot lead. Use a test light, or volt meter to trace from the battery posts to the starter, and from the starter to all other circuits. Jim

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

Yes sir. I will.

So not related to the shut down with baler running?

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

Sorry, won't crank.

I thought leaving the baler running while shutting down, and the PTO winding down with the baler keeping the motor turning maybe caused some kind of surge somewhere?

Janicholson · Jun 9, 2020

Very unlikely. The "run on" (dieseling) is most harmful if allowed to run backwards for a few seconds. What I do is (as is obvious) shut off the PTO. Let it idle for one minute. Put in road gear. Shut it off and simultaneously let out the clutch. This stops them rapidly and allows no option. I also make sure my idle speed is as slow and lean as I can get it to run and not die. Jim

David G · Jun 9, 2020

I agree with Jim, very unlikely that it is related.

Steve in VA · Jun 9, 2020

Apologies in advance if this is totally out of reality but, is the pto still engaged? Locl out prevents cranking with pto engaged?

fixerupper · Jun 9, 2020

Like was mentioned I doubt if leaving the PTO engaged would cause the tractor to go dead electrically. Most balers have an overrunning clutch to prevent the baler from turning the tractor over.

used red MN · Jun 9, 2020

Does it have a clutch safety switch? Is that working correctly? Testing for voltage at the starter solenoid S terminal while pushing the starter button is what I would try first. Well actually what I would do which is not the best idea would be short the S terminal over to the positive post to see what happens, be very careful if you try this. I would like to know what brand and model baler this is at least I assume your talking a small square unit. Most all of them I have ever seen have an over-running clutch in the drive train. I know the IH 47 wire tie does. The 55W we had before that had a big flat belt running from around the side flywheel and up the smaller front pulley that contained the over-running clutch. The small pulley came off the 90 degree gear box the the PTO drove.

used red MN · Jun 9, 2020

Now reading this I would say you just lost connection of one of the terminals on the battery.

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

First thing I thought too. But it's a newer batt, has never not held a charge, and clean terminals and heavy wires. Had no play, but I took them off and looked at them, nice and clean still. No sparks when I hooked back up. I just went out again and I think I can see faint dash lights now, where I thought I couldn't before. But not a sound anywhere when depressing starter button. But seems like a pretty hard short somewhere.

I'm thinking VR.

Farmall 504 · Jun 9, 2020

nope, old tractor.

Thanks.

Tony in SD · Jun 9, 2020

Since your problem seems to be electrical, I would use a volt meter To find the fault

504 · Jun 9, 2020

Two weeks ago I thought the battery had died, so I pulled it out, charged it, and it held fine. It would only click when I put it back in,the wires at the starter looked good but it started right up after I polished the wire connectors with some emery cloth.

David G · Jun 9, 2020

I think you are going to need a voltmeter to get further.

SVcummins · Jun 9, 2020

Take a pair of jumper cables clamp to the battery then the starter and see if it cranks

olgentdc · Jun 9, 2020

chek your ground s ,,. the baler has a overunning clutch , impossible to crank the 504 while running down ,,,
every country boy knows that ,. the sputter dieseling is caused by shutting down the gas engine while still very hot ,,. and this dam modern gas ..

showcrop · Jun 10, 2020

Still sounds like a bad battery connection. Absolutely positively clean terminals have caused your problem many times. It happened to me two years ago.

Farmall 504 · Jun 10, 2020

Bought new batt cables and cleaned up connections and she started, but now I've got ignition all the time. I only pulled the pos cable off starter to replace and it has no other wires attached to that post. I didn't even pull the two smaller post's wires on starter.

Could this be something in the VR?

Starting to feel like I should just stop tractoring.

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