Old tractors with wrong dip sticks warning

Sagerider

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So I bought this Ford 3000 built in Feb. 1967 many years ago pretty much what I needed at the time but rode hard and put away wet far to often. I took it in to my local Ford New Holland dealer to have it looked over and repaired as needed. Basically had the engine rebuilt, new clutch to the tune of $6,000.00. Some years later took it in again to the new local New Holland dealer to again have it looked over, another $5,000.00. The tractor has served me well but I started having an issue with wet stacking, the dreaded black goo dripping down from the vertical muffler and down the side of the engine block. Not wanting to get soaked for yet another 5k I decided it was time to get into the thing myself, good for the mind and body when done safely of course. I love machines and how all the parts work together to make things happen.
Into the shop it went where I pulled the head and found the #2 cylinder valves were just floating around and not sealing at all. The other two weren’t much better either so I figured this may be the problem. The engine did not use oil so how could the black goo be engine oil? After digging around I found the wet stacking is caused by clogged up fuel injectors not from engine oil. This being all new to me I had no clue until I tapped that one website that explained what was causing this. I sent the head off to the local machine shop with new valves and to have them put in valve guides which are not how these tractors were made. Stock the passageway for the valves, the guide, is just a machined hole in the head with no insert or valve guide in the common sense of the term. I ordered a set of new fuel injectors and when the head came back I put it all back together checking oil flow to the rockers and valves when I adjusted the valves, very good flow. The tractor ran better than it ever did when I finished, yippee. Maybe this old blue beast was not dead after all so I decided to start replacing things I knew were bad like the starter and the generator. The starter would spin up but not engage until about the fifth attempt to start the thing, I just lived with it. The generator not charging the battery was dealt with by putting it on a trickle charger which did the job well enough. I decided it was time do something about these two problems and bought replacements which made life much easier. I ordered a wiring harness yet to be installed but very soon it will be. Now for the title.
I ordered a new dip stick which quickly arrived but it was shorter than the dip stick that came with the tractor. First thought was I was sent the wrong replacement dip stick so up on the shelf it went not wanting to deal with sending it back. The original dip stick was working well enough but the rubber around the top had seen better days. Time to change oil again even though I had changed it last fall, oil is cheap. So down to my last five gallon bucket of John Deere oil I decided to use Rotila 15/40 synthetic blend T5. I got two gallons, 8 quarts, which is what this tractor takes. I had this feeling that something was not adding up because the waste oil coming out did not look like eight quarts to me, something was wrong. So after draining the old oil and changing the filter I stuck the new dip stick in the dip stick hole which it fit perfectly. Low and behold the oil level matched up perfectly with the full level on the new dip stick! The owner before me or even before them had just used some dip stick from who knows where. This tractor had been running on low oil for all these years because of this. When I changed the oil last year I used a bulk 5 gallon bucket and just added oil until it came up full on the original dip stick that came with the tractor. Evidentially the repair shops had done the same thing, twice. No telling what damage this has caused to the engine but I got a feeling this old work horse will pull through just fine.
The moral to this story is always check your manual, measure the oil you put in it and do not rely on the dip stick. This tractor I have is 53 years old and has had Lord only knows how many owners. I learned a valuable lesson and want to pass this on to others. If you want to call me stupid the line starts waaaay back over there.
 
And beware of fill level plugs on the side of the transmission/hydraulic case. I had an IH 504 utility and the loader wasn't working right- wouldn't lift to full height, sometimes skipped when being raised. It had no dipstick, just a fill cap on top, and an obvious fill level plug on the side- a 1/2 inch pipe plug with a drilled and tapped hole drilled in the top with a bolt and rubber washer screwed in. I had always kept it filled to the indicated level, but loader had never worked right. Decided to try a new(er) pump. Asked on here, and Nebraska Cowman said he had a pump, but didn't know if it was good. He made me a proposition- I send him $50, and he'd send the pump. If it wasn't good, scrap it, let him know, and he'd refund the 50; if it was good, I was to send him another 100. We did the deal, and I installed the pump.

In the process, I got to looking, and it appeared the so-called "level plug" was too low- so when full, the oil was barely above the hole in the center of the case that allowed oil to go from side to side. When I refilled, I filled it to the level plug depth, then measured down the fill hole and added another inch of oil. Worked flawlessly from then on. So Howard, your pump was good, but it turned out I didn't need it. But we made our deal, and I'm fine with it.

Anyone need an IH 504 hydraulic pump?
 
I doubt running the oil low caused any damage as long as you kept it regularly changed.

It may have run a little hotter, but unless the engine was being operated at full load for long periods, even that would not have happened.

Running too much oil is worse than too low. Too much and the crank whips air into the oil causing all sorts of problems.
 
(quoted from post at 09:51:28 05/30/20) And beware of fill level plugs on the side of the transmission/hydraulic case. I had an IH 504 utility and the loader wasn't working right- wouldn't lift to full height, sometimes skipped when being raised. It had no dipstick, just a fill cap on top, and an obvious fill level plug on the side- a 1/2 inch pipe plug with a drilled and tapped hole drilled in the top with a bolt and rubber washer screwed in. I had always kept it filled to the indicated level, but loader had never worked right. Decided to try a new(er) pump. Asked on here, and Nebraska Cowman said he had a pump, but didn't know if it was good. He made me a proposition- I send him $50, and he'd send the pump. If it wasn't good, scrap it, let him know, and he'd refund the 50; if it was good, I was to send him another 100. We did the deal, and I installed the pump.

In the process, I got to looking, and it appeared the so-called "level plug" was too low- so when full, the oil was barely above the hole in the center of the case that allowed oil to go from side to side. When I refilled, I filled it to the level plug depth, then measured down the fill hole and added another inch of oil. Worked flawlessly from then on. So Howard, your pump was good, but it turned out I didn't need it. But we made our deal, and I'm fine with it.

Anyone need an IH 504 hydraulic pump?

When a loader is added to a tractor (or some other accesories for that matter) quite often the original "level" check for oils is no longer valid. Research must be done in order to have the correct amount of oil. Case in point

IH 424
Transmission capacity is five gallons without front mounted hydraulic pump. It is 14 gallons for tractors with front mounted hydraulic pump without draft control and 17 gallons with front mounted pump and draft control.
In this case installation of the front mounted pump involves replacing the plate between the hydraulic reservoir and the top of the rear frame. The replacement plate uses a stand pipe to control the level of oil in the hydraulic reservoir. Oil for the front hydraulic pump is drawn from the rear frame and returned to the hydraulic reservoir.
 
When I was about 16 I put a 283 out of a 62 Chevy in a 56 Chevy. I started it up from the solenoid holding the throttle lever to keep it running. There were no exhaust pipes just the manifolds. It started loosing power and locked up,I couldn't hear any knocking.checked full on the dip stick but only had about a cupful of oil in it. Don't know where dipstick came from but it had laid down in the bottom of the pan. I was just a stupid kid but I learned a lesson that has stuck with me ever since. I now hold dipsticks next to the dipstick tube to see how far down it goes on anything I am not sure about.
 

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