Should i jump on this deal? Would you?

I've come across a package deal and dont know if i should go for it or walk away. I would appreciate some opinions and suggestions if you have any.

So for $6,800 i would get;

1953 International TD-18A crawler/dozer with a solid good running engine but has a stuck or seized steering clutch on one side

1982 Ford CL9000 single axle Tractor w/ a Cummins 350 Big Cam and a 9 speed Eaton gear box. 414,000 miles and runs great.

Old lowboy double axle trailer. Unknown manufacture or year

What do you all think?

Im estimating there's about a grand in parts to rebuild the steering clutch on the dozer so was thinking of offering $5500. [/b]

The stuck clutch will cost more like 2000 (I owned one and it required $1000 Tfix
the right steering clutch in 1978. New drive and driven disks. there is a
massive spring in that clutch that requires radical pressure to compress it enough
to get the snap rings out. Each disk, 15 if I recall, had to be drilled and
pulled out with a self tapping screw. Do you have a reason to own it? if you
intend to sell it, after repair do not do this. Jim

No.

the truck and low boy will need to be DOT inspected will it pass? you can spend a ton of money getting that up to par .with the dozer being sick you could have more in repairs the the cost you paid

The undercarriage on the TD 18A is a big question.

Just ask yourself one question, "If I buy this today, could I sell it tomorrow and get my money back"?

When I was looking at an old cable blade D-8 to push some stumps many years ago, a very wise fellow told me "There's nothing deader than a dead Cat. All the bolts are bigger than your wrenches, everything requires more force than you can generate even with a 10 foot cheater, everything is too heavy to lift, and the parts cost more than your house".

I'd pass.

Thanks for responding.
No i dont plan on flipping anything. And when i say runs great i mean it is fully functional. Everything works, tires are good and no reason it would not pass inspection if i needed it too. Same with trailer. I have quite a bit of dirt work to do on my property and for what i would be charged by someone else to do it it would pay for it self and i get a tractor trailer out of the deal. I will run them into the ground and dig a hole when that happens.and i would get a farm tractor decal that exempts it from dot. And the for 16 fiber disks and 15 steel ones if it even needs them is $770

what i am asking is what is the value. I would not be buying to make money or take on work.

So is everyone saying i should go spend $50k on a used dozer. Instead of 2 or 3k and some parts. Just to work around my property. Sounds great, lets do it.. so who's buying

Sounds like you answered your own question. Never heard of a farm tractor decal that exempts you from the DOT, what state is this?

Hummm
A (Farm tractor) decal that exempts you from keeping a truck and trailer properly maintained and road worthy.
I need to get me one of those decals.

If I had a need for a dozer I would chance it Sometimes you can free a stuck clutch by standing on the brake, and turn into the stuck clutch side. Can the clutch pack be removed without removing the sprocket, and tracks? Stan

(quoted from post at 15:52:08 05/23/20) Hummm
A (Farm tractor) decal that exempts you from keeping a truck and trailer properly maintained and road worthy.
I need to get me one of those decals.

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Hmmm. .

Well maybe you should move to Washington and only use it to haul farm equipment or your harvest to storage no farther than a 15 mile radius from your farm.

I think the parts cost you describe are the beginning of the whole cost. If you take it on your self, do you have a cherry
picker with a 5 foot reach or a overhead crane? (tracks are in the road from the side). Do you realize the clutch is 13
inches in length, and 16 inches around and has the brake band around it? this is not a one day repair. The cover is all the
way to and includes the master clutch. By all means buy it, we did with it crippled, and I made it work. One week full time
wrenching. Jim

John ,Believe it or not I have a CDL exemption for my state that allows me to haul farm products or machinery in my state that is good for up to 150 miles from my farm. It is only good from 26,001 to 80,000# GVW. I can go the courthouse and buy a sticker to place in the windshield where the inspection sticker goes, costs a whopping $2.00 ,write Farm USE on the doors of the truck and haul that very dozer to my farm, clean up land and haul it home, with No CDL, No License Tags and No State inspection and be 100% legal as long as I have liability insurance. The DOT has no jurisdiction over these vehicles. My cousin is a farmer and a lawyer and has already beat the case in court 2 times. Laws do vary from state to state.

Let me rephrase this.

There is a TD-18A that works perfectly. Not a thing wrong with. This old guy has it but doesn't know what its worth . What would you offer him for it

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Let me rephrase this.

There is a TD-18A that works perfectly. Not a thing wrong with. This old guy has it but doesn't know what its worth . What would you offer him for it

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Okay, first off you need to chill a bit and lose the attitude. You are getting answers you don't want to hear, that happens a lot here. No one is saying you need to spend $50K on a used dozer. No one is saying that for strictly farm use in an Intrastate situation your state may not in fact allow you to do just what you are saying. You came to a place that serves all 50 states, Canada, Europe, Australia and the rest of the world. What is a common sense truck law in Wash State might be absolutely verboten everywhere else. What we are saying is that with crawler tractors a simple fix is almost never possible. On a machine that size you are into some major metal moving to get to the steering clutch. I don't know if you need to drop the tracks on that one to get to the clutch, but that gets us to the expensive part on crawlers- undercarriage. I don't even care about the clutch at this point, first thing you need to do is get the wear specs for the rails and see what shape they are in. Just because they seem tight doesn't mean they aren't over 100% worn out. You drop the track on something that size and you will spend all day or more learning brand new swear words! Then there are the rollers, track adjustment system, track carrier mounts, etc. Then you get to the mechanicals and steering. It's also a very OLD crawler and it's not a Cat. That's not bashing IHC, it's just that some brands have worlds better support than others. You have to consider that. You also have to consider roads in your area you intend to transport it on. Your rig is going to be pretty heavy. Are there bridges/culverts you need to be concerned about or axle weight restrictions in play? (retired NYSP DOT Trooper, I think about stuff like that).

In the end, it's a risk. You can probably part the crawler out and make a mint if nothing else. Were it me, and it has been a couple times with much smaller JD crawlers, I'd talk to people who have done the actual job you think you need to do. And then ask them what else it can be besides just a simple steering clutch. You find if you read the post here that an awful lot of "simple fixes" turn into nightmare jobs where the guy would have been better off hiring it done if he'd know ahead of time.


FWIW- when I bought a JD 1010 in what amounted to a large number of boxes and a carcass, I was told I'd thrown every penny away. I put it all back together and I've done a lot of work with it. It needed tracks long before I got it and moving it involves inching it around like I'm moving nitro in a old western. I will never, ever get the $$$ I have into to it out of it. Not a chance. I still haven't broke even in work vs cost. But I do have the machine, which is down at the moment and needs probably several hundred $ in large hydraulic hoses.

Just think it over real hard. It won't be as easy as you think, 100% guarantee.

I don't even need that just a set of tags from Farm Bureau or TSC that have FARM USE on them,no license to operate or put on the road required,no inspection,no DOT check,
no weighing can go 75 miles from any farm property I own or lease.

well it has to be worth 4000.00 , I am like you I do all my own work with my own stuff. old is good if you can keep them running as I can do that. never know the clutch may very well release once put to work. I like the 1950's stuff and its good stuff. most everyone calls old stuff junk. well I do all my farming with my junk too.

Heres a video

The clutch comes out the top with collapsing bolt together couplings. No issue taking it out W/O removing drive components.
But there is all that other stuff on top of it. Jim

$20/ton. Current price of scrap. Fully functional mean everything works, not works but you can only steer one direction.

(quoted from post at 21:08:39 05/23/20) $20/ton. Current price of scrap. Fully functional mean everything works, not works but you can only steer one direction.

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Do bulldozers have tires, do they gave to go through DOT inspection. I was talking about the truck, Its written in black and white but yet you put to different post together and come up with some stupid comment like its common for a truck to only turn left. Who are you people and how have you made it to adult hood.

I appreciate the the couple logical responses i got the rest of you dont have a clue what your talking about and didn't contribute a one single piece of information that had anything to do with the topic. You know nothing except what you hear and repeat it like you have done it. If your dumb enough to scrap any piece of machinery for scrap prices because you dont have the knowledge to fix it. Get ahold of me and ill give you scrap price plus some. But i would shocked if you even owned a broke down tractor or even driven one and probably live in a apartment.

Personally, when i am not educated in a subject i dont say anything cause i dont want to look like a idiot. Most of you dont have a problem with that i guess. . Do they rest of us a service and dont have kids. Enjoy that, im done with this forum.

Worthless

Okey dokey. :roll:

Seems like you "get bent" pretty easily!

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My neighbor has the same ford truck only with a 7 speed and
he wants 4500$ No trailer no dozer .

You are correct, I have never driven a broke down tractor. But I do own 5 antique crawlers. One I have never driven because it is broke down. The
others I have driven and are in various states of disrepair.

Even a perfectly restored and running TD 18 only had so much value. More for collecting than running.

Of your package the lowboy may be the most valuable part. But all we know is it?s a tandem axle.

In the market I am in, the truck is worth about $2500. Assuming it runs and will pass a safety inspection.

You are free to spend your money as you choose. And yes, I loose at auctions quite often as someone else is willing to pay more than I am.




PS, I have been wrenching for almost 30 years now. And fix things many can?t.

Don't let the Peanut Gallery get to you,seems like you have the skills to make the deal work for you that is the key part.I've gotten a lot of good tractors and equipment over the years buying what most people saw little or no value in at the time,some work and had a good operating piece of machinery.