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Janicholson
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Our loader tractor was a Super H with belly pump (not Live) and 1 reverse, and a trip bucket with 6 2 foot long tines made from truck axles, and could lift about 1/4cu.yd of soil, or 2500# of ? No down pressure, no cab. I have no idea what is missing from the tractor you describe. Jim
Traditional Farmer
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Alot depends on the configuration of the transmission gear shift.If the shift only requires the shift lever to be moved from the forward gear directly back to the
reverse gear its almost the same as a shuttle and how easy the gears are to shift.On some tractors the constant forward to reverse can be a real bear,had an 8000 Ford with a loader great field tractor but with the shifting deal they had the loader was a real pain to use.
reverse gear its almost the same as a shuttle and how easy the gears are to shift.On some tractors the constant forward to reverse can be a real bear,had an 8000 Ford with a loader great field tractor but with the shifting deal they had the loader was a real pain to use.
495man
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Sounds like a 5103 5203 5303 5403 5045E 5055E 5065E 5075E tractor with the 9x3.
I really considered buying one. There was a REALLY attractive price on the late 5203 / early 5055E that were 4x4 and 553 loader.
Nice solid, basic tractor, well built looking. Range lever is on the left (A B C) and speed lever is on right R 1 2 3.
Long story short, I test drove a 5055E 9F-3R, C range R is warp speed, A range is super slow, leaving B reverse as only real loader work option. I'm used to left hand reverse take some getting used to for me.
If you have a 2wd and need a 4wd and the price is right AND it's a flat top fender model, they are about as simple of a newer tractor as you can buy right now. Only electronic is the fuel shut off, everything else mechanical!
I'd still buy one if the price was right, but not as a dedicated high use loader tractor. I had planned to do mainly field work (loader off) and was upgrading from a 2wd.
Jim in rush co
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- Rush Co. Indiana
The 9-3 has the reverse on right side and have to let go of joy stick to change directions real unhandy. Got rid of one because of that, left hand reverser only way to go!
Depends how the forward and reverse shift pattern is. My loader tractor is a JD 4430 with the quad range transmission. Never thought I'd like it for a loader. Found out it's pretty handy, 1st reverse and 1st forward are a straight shift front to back. Getting into 2nd either direction is a side to side power shift. Not as handy as the 400 tlb with the shuttle but will out push it.
the tractor vet
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Ya want unhandy spend a couple weeks loading trucks with and OLD track loader , hand clutch lever and foot steer and manual shift that amounts to SEVEN levers and two pedals and ya get two fifteen min breaks and a half hour lunch on a 10-12 hour day or like the one poster with the PUTT PUTT that is unhandy with them ya need two right arms and wishen for a third . Ya want fancy then ya dig into the piggy bank deeper and go buy a smaller wheel loader with power shift bend in the middle power steering heat and A/C cab .
And I would add your guess is probably wrong at least for anything new in the last 8 to 10 years. I
would say 80% of what we sell is hydraulic shuttle or hydrostatic transmission. Now that being said
also realize that somewhere around 86% of all KUBOTAS sold are with a loader. Even up in the 150 hp
units shuttle is still what folks want.
would say 80% of what we sell is hydraulic shuttle or hydrostatic transmission. Now that being said
also realize that somewhere around 86% of all KUBOTAS sold are with a loader. Even up in the 150 hp
units shuttle is still what folks want.
Janicholson
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The other option was a wheel barrow and 5 tine fork, or a spade. Nope I just do not understand how not having a reverser is tragic, or incomprehensible. Jim
Janicholson
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I think you know what it is like to operate a TD18 with a cable Bucyrus Erie 14' blade. Put 10 hours on that with one hand on the cable winch handle, and all other appendages on turn clutches, master clutch, shifter, and foot brakes. Much fun. Jim
Some do, some do not, no doubt you know that anyways. Reason I say it is because if I jump off the 555C ford backhoe, then get right on the 4630 ford/NH, I had best remember to use the clutch as it has a mechanical shuttle, steering column mounted just like the backhoe, which has a torque converter. I catch myself often going between the 2 when working with them together, so far so good!
I came across a killer deal on a Kubota MX5000 Utility Special with only 240 hours. Figured before I bought it I'd better consult with my local JD dealer, who is a friend, and whose District Manager son lives across the road from me- didn't want the first news of my defection to be his son driving by and seeing me on it. Told him about it, and he smiled and said "Two things- I can't come anywhere close to that deal, and if you decide not to buy it, call me immediately so I can buy it for resale." I think most of the reason for the good price is that its a pretty basic tractor- no remotes (although the hoses to the loader come apart, so it would be easy to add them), no draft control, no shuttle. It has a Hi-Lo + reverse beside the seat for your left hand, with Lo and reverse in a straight line. I use if for loading quite a bit, and I've always had to clutch and shift on my loader tractors, so its not much of a problem.
I find the "Utility Special" designation a bit curious- because the only thing special about the tractor is that its not special at all. As said, very basic, no frills. I think Oliver did the same thing- their "special" tractors were also very basic, with several otherwise standard features deleted, probably so they could get it down to a price point that would satisfy us skinflints.
I find the "Utility Special" designation a bit curious- because the only thing special about the tractor is that its not special at all. As said, very basic, no frills. I think Oliver did the same thing- their "special" tractors were also very basic, with several otherwise standard features deleted, probably so they could get it down to a price point that would satisfy us skinflints.
flying belgian
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Do you need a left hand shuttle? No. Is it nice to have? You darn right.
Let me address one thing that comes up with that model tractor. Folks try and cut the corner there on the h pattern shifting. Anytime you are coming up or down and making a move over to the other side make absolutely sure you shift in a H pattern and not a u pattern. Maybe you understand, when they are not shifted right the shift wears and then you have problems. Hope this helps you and yes the MX is basic, no rubber floor mat, most have no lift out lift links and several other goodies but they are a very serviceable tractor. Price sells them, however lots of folks the buy them and mount a loader end up coming back and trading for something with a shuttle . As other folks have said , if one is going to use the loader a lot, just nothing like a full shuttle .
Bruce from Can.
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- Woodville, Ontario, Canada
I?d like to better understand what a real farm tractor is. I know several hundred real farmers, and I assume that their tractors are real. Nearly everyone of these farmers would have at least one real farm tractor with a shuttle shift, 4wd and a loader , within the 100hp range . While I have owed a tractor with a reverser and dry clutch, it in no way compares to a shuttle shift on. Loader tractor.
formerly ny bill
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I have loaded silage since 1969 with a 656 gear drive, a JD 3010 and 4010, and the 656 gear drive again. no shuttle shifts there. I survived. now using IH hydros. shuttle shift isn't the be-all, end-all.
495man
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I think you'll find almost all "real" farm tractors all made in the last 10 years have a wet clutch power shuttle now.
20 years ago plus, power shuttle was a loader option type choice dry clutch syncro shuttle being common.
Dry clutch tractors are not that common to buy new anymore either, at least in "real" tractors.
Even the "cheap" Deere series with the 9x3 mentioned in this thread offer a 12x12 power shuttle now in response to the demand.
Bottomline, they all beat a shovel or fork and wheel barrel.
cannonball
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know that yours is hand clutch, but there were some 2 cylinder tractors with shuttle
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
Shuttle shift transmissions are more complex and costlier to produce than a conventional synchronized speed-and-range transmission. Obviously a tractor equipped with a synchronized transmission will be less expensive than one with a full shuttle.
Yes, the shuttle is handiER, but that doesn't mean the conventional tractor is UNhandy.
Fred Werring
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Think it all depends on what you're used to.
Neither of my loader tractors...Ford 5000 and 398 Massey...have shuttle shift, and I do just fine with them.
But I've never even operated a shuttle shift tractor. If I did, might think I have to have one.
And that would just cause another discussion at home about 'how many tractors do you need?'
Fred
Neither of my loader tractors...Ford 5000 and 398 Massey...have shuttle shift, and I do just fine with them.
But I've never even operated a shuttle shift tractor. If I did, might think I have to have one.
And that would just cause another discussion at home about 'how many tractors do you need?'
Fred
Destroked 450
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I have 3 tractors with loaders, 69, 89 and 2008 models, none have shuttle but for what I do with them it's not a must have item for me, can't miss what you've never had!
For fast maneuvering and serious dirt, rock or other heavy use loader work my skid steer with pilot control will run circles around a tractor-loader even one with shuttle.
chevytaHOE5674
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I have 3 loader tractors 2 are dry clutch no shuttle the 3rd is a powershift with shuttle. Yes the shuttle is nice for loader work but I manage to handle a few thousand 4x5.5 bales a year both baling and feeding all winter with a dry clutch gear machine just fine. I'm so used to running my ford 5000 clutching and moving the gear stick forward and back i can make direction changes just as quick as the shuttle machine.
It's all in what your used to.
It's all in what your used to.
K Effective
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I have a JD 5400 MFWD with loader, 9X3 transmission, NO shuttle. As mentioned, the R and 2 are opposed on the right hand side, so you do have to swap hands from the joystick to the gearshift, and clutch every shift. I find it workable, and a huge upgrade from a JD 40, vertical manual steering wheel and trip-bucket loader.
I also have a JD 5500 with a reverser, BUT it is not the hydraulic reverser. It is on the left side of the dash and requires clutching between shifts as well. That is also a 12 gear trans, but 12 each way.
Like b&d said, shuttle on the loader joystick is really nice, but not in my budget.
I also have a JD 5500 with a reverser, BUT it is not the hydraulic reverser. It is on the left side of the dash and requires clutching between shifts as well. That is also a 12 gear trans, but 12 each way.
Like b&d said, shuttle on the loader joystick is really nice, but not in my budget.
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