Axle is not bent

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

Used 4 foot drywall square to confirm axle aren't bent .
Both sides measured 5 inches.
At a right angle and using spider gear as reference both measurements are the same.

Now we can look at this for a positive stand point. What caused the damage if the tubes aren't bent?

Previous owner was a DIY rental.

Rearend has always made a strange sound when I backed up.

I found very little broken material inside, which means previous owner removed cover and removed the broken teeth .

May call All-tran transmission shop in town. I've done business with them in the past. It's the only place I trust.

The last thing I want to do is remove the axle and second time.

I'm still hurting from the remove.
Getting too old for this kind of work.

My brain has a different opinion. It thinks I'm still young.

So what caused the problem?
George

David G · Apr 5, 2020

Geo,

The All Tran place is what came up for me on a search, I am also farming out things that are too much for me. They come back complete and right.

Does it look like tube did slide out?

I would guess it was just really abused in the past, get it fixed up right and be done with it. One person suggested shock from the backhoe, really might never know. I got stung on front axle for MH44 from a poster on here. I do not remember who it was, just fixed it and moved on.

Traditional Farmer · Apr 5, 2020

I've torn a couple of those rears out on trucks,just something that happens sometimes.78 GMC 1 ton rear locked up going 55 MPH quite a ride til the truck stopped.

Bob · Apr 5, 2020

(quoted from post at 15:11:10 04/05/20) Used 4 foot drywall square to confirm axle aren't bent .
Both sides measured 5 inches.
At a right angle and using spider gear as reference both measurements are the same.

<img src="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cvphotos/cvphoto193.jpg">

Now we can look at this for a positive stand point. What caused the damage if the tubes aren't bent?

Previous owner was a DIY rental.

Rearend has always made a strange sound when I backed up.

I found very little broken material inside, which means previous owner removed cover and removed the broken teeth .

May call All-tran transmission shop in town. I've done business with them in the past. It's the only place I trust.

The last thing I want to do is remove the axle and second time.

I'm still hurting from the remove.
Getting too old for this kind of work.

My brain has a different opinion. It thinks I'm still young.

So what caused the problem?
George

"Now we can look at this for a positive stand point. What caused the damage if the tubes aren't bent?"

You are OVERTHINKING this.

It's not uncommon for differential "spider gears" to occasionally break over a wide variety of vehicles/tractors, etc..

They've probably had a "sudden shock load" on them more than once (don't you think) over the years.

Pull the carrier, remove the ring gear, pull the "cross pin", and if no damage to the carrier, put in a $50 kit and get it back to work.

There will be NO need to re-shim the bearings, etc., etc..

larry@stinescorner · Apr 5, 2020

Ill take it easy on it when you send it my way,,(after its all fixed)

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

I'll call and see if they work on rear ends.
I been doing business with Brian, the owner for at least the past 35 years. He a good and honest man.

I took him my dads'75 Chrysler Imperial that used a quart of transmission oil in 200 miles.

He fixed it for $50. The O ring on tranny fill tube was gone. He could have easily have charged me for a transmission rebuild. $50 was the charge for an oil and filter change back then. That act of honesty earned him my total respect and my business.

Going to call him in the morning.
geo.

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

Bob,
You are a beacon of positive thinking on YT.
Too many times in the past the same people on YT are
predicting gloom and doom "Death Machines" So I'm
used to it.

I do plan to take it to town and get a second
opinion on how to stop the one tube from leaking.

Thanks for your encouragement.

geo.

Janicholson · Apr 5, 2020

I am glad it is not bent. The cause of a failed part like that is likely impact related. Nor hit with something, but sudden wheel spin stopped like it hit pavement. Did you notice an issue with it prior to getting to a repair? Jim

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

Larry,
What makes you think I deliver?

The main reason I bought a new Kubota was I wanted a tractor with a cab and I wanted Dealer support because I'm no diesel mechanic. The Kubota dealer has been selling Case IH since 1967. Not sure when dealer started selling Kubotas. I trust the dealer.

On the other hand, I don't think there is any dealer that sells Terramites. I have to call the factory to get parts and advice. Most DIY places buy Terramites from the factory and do their own service work.

Unless you know how to fix things a Terramite isn't for you. I do all my maintenance and repair work. I'm getting too old for this crap.

Geo.

David G · Apr 5, 2020

Replacing a non limited slip with limited slip should help the situation both from traction and reliability.

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

Jim,
No issues, just making a noise for a second when in reverse. So I used the outriggers, lifted the rear wheels off the ground. Going forward no noise. Going into reverse I would hear one clunk.
That's when I decided the sound was coming from the rear end.
geo.

SVcummins · Apr 5, 2020

That?s wonderful ! Maybe the weld just needs re welded

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

It comes with limited slip.
I think my 2004 has a locking differential going forward. When one wheel spins the other one spins too. This is a 2000. geo.

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2020

That's why I taking it to All tran to get his opinion on how to fix the leaking problem.

DoubleO7 · Apr 5, 2020

Perhaps it has been leaking since new?

Steve@Advance · Apr 5, 2020

I suspect the axle tube has been leaking since new.

As for the broken gear, possibly it broke the spider gears and a piece ran through the ring and pinion, the spider gears were replaced.

MarkB_MI · Apr 5, 2020

That's good news, George. I've never seen differential gears broken like yours, but I suppose it happens. My guess is a rapidly spinning wheel was suddenly stopped. Differentials are designed to take a certain amount of abuse, but do it often enough and something will break. And that's really an automotive differential intended for a quite different service. Does the Terramite have turning brakes? If so, they can generate quite a bit of shock in a spinning axle.

Hobo,NC · Apr 5, 2020

All you got to do is read the directions that's how I learned to work on diff's... Youtube has a boat load of good videos on the subject...

I scanned over this one tho not in-dept he covers a lot of ground... I picked up a tip from him so time well spent...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurJHaiy6kI

used red MN · Apr 6, 2020

Here is my idea to fix your leak issue take it or leave it. It would be ideal if you could reseal the inner end of the tube but trying that would probably be a futile effort. A bead of RTV around the axle where it meets the housing will seal it if applied to a clean surface. This means hand wire brushed clean, cleaned with brake clean on a rag, then sprayed with brake clean and dried with compressed air. The problem is you will likely be driving through weeds maybe brush etc. and this may dislodge the RTV bead. My suggestion is to apply the RTV and then place a guillotine style exhaust clamp (see link) on the tube tight up against the housing. You may need to relieve (grind) some of the stamped steel part of the clamp to get it as close to the housing as possible. I would suggest that the clamp nuts face up. I feel pretty certain this would be a fairly long term fix. Also in my opinion there is no issue with your axle that should keep you from just replacing what it needs and reassemble. Occasionally differential parts and gears just break.
Example clamp

used red MN · Apr 6, 2020

To clarify the only purpose of the clamp is to protect the RTV bead.

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