Loading a Haybine on a trailer - how?

steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

Sold my NH 488 to a guy who is picking it up tomorrow. I suggested he tow it home (25 miles?) but he isn't comfortable with that.
He is bringing his large deckover trailer and his service crane truck (heavy equipment mechanic). He says lifting it to load will be no problem at all. I trust that he knows his equipment's capabilities.

From my end, I want to make this as easy and not timeconsuming as possible. So I have a few questions that other people may have already experienced...I have tried doing some online research but there isn't a ton of material. So if anyone has pics that would be great.

From what I have learned, it has to be loaded sideways and tongue/pto shaft removed. I saw mention of people loading it at an angle and just getting away with it but I'm thinking we should plan on the more traditional method. Also, have to put aNH 256 rake (no dolly) on too

I'm assuming we want to lock the head in transport position (up)?
I'm thinking lift from 3 points with a chain/sling - each axle and the tongue?

Once on the trailer - block under the metal plate that the tongue sits in, block under the head, pull the single bolt that holds the tongue and pull it straight out? Is it that easy?

As for the PTO shaft...if memory is serving me correctly, it is a single section shaft....which means I need to pull the whole thing...does it just bolt into a splined shaft on the gear box? Or is it something more complicated...

Thanks in advance...
I really wish he wanted to just tow it home...

caterpillar guy · Apr 5, 2020

Look at grandpas trailer from the other day it is even a NH haybine on a trailer. I would put the tonuge on the right side and remove it. He would be ahead to tow it as once loaded it will be technically an oversize load.

SVcummins · Apr 5, 2020

I?d assume that bolt will probably stuck tighter than a bulls a*? in fly time could be wrong . I was able to load my 9 foot owatonna buy backing the trailer in a ditch and backed it on just far enough to chain it down

tomstractorsandtoys · Apr 5, 2020

He should have towed it this morning at daylight. Years ago dad sold lots of equipment and would tell customers to pickup over size implements early on Sunday mornings as there is almost no traffic. Another way to load would be to find a bank and back it on sideways. We had heavy steel ramps that worked good for that. I have a loading dock here at the farm that we can back beside and load side ways. Be careful as equipment can shift or swing fast. Tom

Jim in NC · Apr 5, 2020

We hauled a 472 about 80 miles. The seller pulled the tongue out and set it sideways on the trailer. We chained it down good and made the trip. Lifted off with a loader and put it back together. Worked fine for us.

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

Look!! Loaded a 488 on Wednesday. 150 miles from home. Towing not an option. Tongue and pto shaft slide right out. One bolt hold it in.
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Tracy Brown · Apr 5, 2020

Get payment before it is loaded. That way, if something happens, he can't walk away.

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

Tracy Brown.......I didn't pay you first?! Lol.

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

Now unloading it! Not a deck over trailer.
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steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

Thanks Grandpa Love
I have been enjoying following your adventures the last couple years. I thought you had gotten a 488 recently...

Heck of a deal too. Right?
Got any still pics of the load strapped and blocked?

EFV · Apr 5, 2020

A heavy equipment mechanic with a crane equipped truck, probably not his first rodeo.
Focus on getting it loaded safely. His responsibility when it hits the end of your driveway.
Would check tongue removal before loading,getting it unstuck easier off the trailer than on.
Flag and chain load until YTDOT gives it two thumbs up. Trust his experience with dealing the
unending stupidity of John Q.Public's driving. In the words' of Red Skelton, Good Luck and God Bless.

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

Great deal on my 488. Only pictures of loaded trailer strapped and chained is at night. Set the tongue and header feet on blocks. Chained the back side to the trailer and used several straps. Didn't move a bit.

steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

Thanks a bunch.
Not too worried about the execution of it. This guy knows how to load and haul things and has the equipment to make it happen. He just doesn?t know farm stuff well so I figured the more info I can bring to the table the better.

488 is a great mower. Ours served us well.
I?m sure yours will for you.

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

That thing is terrible heavy on hitch front corner! This picture is truck and trailer on flat ground. It was leaning!!

Picture doesn't show how bad it was.

Determined · Apr 5, 2020

If he says he can load it no problem then it is not your problem.

He bought it so once paid for he is the boss and the boss is always right :shock:

Now if he said he was coming with his BMW and a golf cart trailer he was borrowing from his neighbor to pick it up with then it would be a whole different story.

What happens on the back roads stays on the back roads

steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

Agreed in the tongue.
Hit the bolt with some penetrating oil after he agreed to purchase. Going to go out this afternoon and put it in loading position and pull tongue 1x as a practice. I think it was trailered before I bought it. So bolt might not be bad.

cool hand · Apr 5, 2020

Ah, the 488. I had one for a few years. When I bought it and started to mow with it I made one and a half rounds when it picked up a stone, the rubber rolls kicked the stone forward and knocked a light off the tractor!

JK-NY · Apr 5, 2020

I would guess that I towed my NH 489 here from about 25 miles away behind the pickup. Unless he wants to run on an interstate or has to go right through a big city I can?t imagine why not to tow it. By time he gets it apart loaded and secured I would be home towing that distance. As mentioned he will probably need to remove the tongue and pto shaft. Other than that I would stand back and let him do it his way as he already has ignored your suggestion to tow it. Good luck.

Bruce from Can. · Apr 5, 2020

Heck I think nothing of pulling a haybine 30 miles with a tractor. And I have to travel through a busy town with 6 stop lights along the way through town.. maybe this guy just wants to play with his truck/trailer and crane

rusty6 · Apr 5, 2020

Pulling with a tractor no problem as the 479 I have swings the hitch over to narrow up some. When I bought it I pulled it home with the old GMC half ton and I was amazed at the hitch weight. It really made the old truck sit down. Lucky it was a slow weekend and no traffic on the grid roads for the ten mile drive home.

NY 986 · Apr 5, 2020

I'm another who has pulled a haybine a distance with a pickup truck. I've even taken the long way around a major city in Rochester, NY. What scares me is a length of road that is narrow and twisting with no shoulder. Lots of people on the road that are clueless to the needs of farm equipment and in the end the law only cares that I am over-width if something bad happens. I passed up a parts planter one time because I could not get it hauled before the removal deadline and the roads would have meant all kinds of headaches including steep sections. The rugged terrain meant limited road options.

muleboss · Apr 5, 2020

Do not second guess him. He said he could load it. Have him pay you and then get out of the way unless he ask for your help. After he pays it is no longer yours.
Only needs to be one chief on this job.

JD Seller · Apr 5, 2020

Steve you do NOT want it in the locked up position to haul. That tips it too far forward to chain down easily. With it in the down position the header skid plates will lay down flat on the trailer and is easy to chain down. The other way it is tipped forward and if you chain the frame like you think, the header will bounce the entire trip.

I would take the nut off the tongue bolt before he gets there and then lower the haybine to the ground. With it that way turn the bolt in frame to make sure it is not stuck. Then just put the nut back on with it lightly tight.

steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

Thanks JD. I see the flaw in my logic.
Like I said to the others...if it were me...I would tow it. That?s how it got here. But to each to his own.
Not trying to have too many chiefs...just want to be as ready as I can to make it a smooth load for him.

buzz saw · Apr 5, 2020

How much does that haybine weigh? I'm just guessing around 3000 lbs? My service truck, a 2016 Freightliner with a 12,000 lb. Stellar crane would be fine for that with good, proper rigging procedure, keeping in mind that 12,000 lb capacity is boom in, max vertical position. As with any crane, the capacity falls off quick as you move to more horizontal.

I would have to believe he knows what and how to do this pick safely, as if this is his profession he has already "been there and done it" as others have said.

I routinely pick engines, generator ends, transmissions, etc. that are in the 5,000 to 8,000 lb range, although these types of components are more compact and not as awkward as a haybine.
Good safe rigging practice and properly rated lift chains and straps are a must and I would be confident he knows what he is doing and will have good safe equipment.

ss55 · Apr 5, 2020

It sounds like the buyer is confident he knows how to load it, so I would let him do as he wants.

Did you sell it F.O.B. (Free On Board) or is the buyer responsible for loading it? If it's not F.O.B., I would take payment from the buyer and then step back to let the buyer load it any-which-way he wants because he now owns it. If you help load or tell him how to load it and it gets damaged, you could be left with a broken machine and no payment.

steve terplak · Apr 5, 2020

I think he knows what he is doing lifting things.
I was wondering about lift points (how a haybine would
balance in practice) and head up/down. That way it would be
as smooth as possible.
I am certainly going to let him lead the way with his rig and,
now, his haybine.
But he isn?t a farm equipment guy yet. So I want to be helpful

Tracy Brown · Apr 5, 2020

Yes u did. The Jube was already on the ground. LOL

grandpa Love · Apr 5, 2020

Dang it. You are correct!

mikewood869 · Apr 5, 2020

I think we would have been better to have the haybine open when we had it on the trailer. The haybine may not have stuck out as much. This way a New Holland 489. The haybine made it home in one piece.

ditchwitch · Apr 5, 2020

Im with ss55. The man knows what he is getting into he bringing a crane so probably not his first Rodeo. His Crane His Trailer let him load it like he wants to. Your idea is not going to be the same as his i feel sure. What dont look safe to you looks safe to him. Besides he is the one driving the truck down the road. Just Wave and Smile with that pocket full of money you made.

495man · Apr 6, 2020

Get paid before he loads it...then it's his problem.

25 miles?

2.5 hour round trip absolute tops on a tractor including hitching/unhitching and parking.

Bet he spends at least an hour trying to load and chain it down, at least two guys, crane truck, truck and trailer, still about an hour on the road in total, then an hour unloading, putting it back together and all the headache compared to dropping in a hitch pin and towing it.

Tx Jim · Apr 6, 2020

(quoted from post at 08:29:40 04/06/20)
Get paid before he loads it...then it's his problem.

25 miles?

2.5 hour round trip absolute tops on a tractor including hitching/unhitching and parking.

Bet he spends at least an hour trying to load and chain it down, at least two guys, crane truck, truck and trailer, still about an hour on the road in total, then an hour unloading, putting it back together and all the headache compared to dropping in a hitch pin and towing it.

DITTO
Yrs back when I was employed by a dealer. In most instances traveling 30 miles or under one can tow a larger implement quicker than loading/unloading/securing load/reassembly of the equipment. Farthest I ever towed a piece of farm equipment was 210 miles one-way. That was a 27' fold up disk harrow.

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