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Cowboy2005 · Mar 25, 2020

So, I really dont know much about older case tractors, I think I asked about them on here before but I'll ask again.
I'm kinda looking at like 970 Agri King or a 1070 Agri king possibly even a 1370 Agri King (just because I know a guy with a 1370 who might sell it to me for a good price, it's bigger then I need tho)
Some people have been telling me the power shift on them is trash and really expensive to replace, so I guess I'd like a few more opinions on it, are the power shifts as bad as they are made out to be?
And about how much do they cost to replace?
Sorry this got kinda long.
Thank you to everyone who takes the time to read and reply or even just read, thank you.

-Garrett

SVcummins · Mar 25, 2020

Powershift Transmissions cost a lot in big tractors no matter who?s name is on the side

caterpillar guy · Mar 26, 2020

Like SV said they are all pricey to fix. Is the power shift in them the same as the later CaseIH models like the 71 models if so they were pretty good. A bit jerky to me compared to the 4955's though.

jon f mn · Mar 26, 2020

The claims of problems are incredibly over stated. They do have some quirks like all of them, but serviced and maintained properly are capable of many thousands of hours trouble free. If it's good when you get it and you maintain it it will hold up well. The main thing is to use Case hytran oil in them as other oils can cause issues. They are able to take abuse better than most as far as hard use and rough shifting. The 1370 will only have 1,000rpm pto if that matters to you. They are all old and some age problems are showing up now like getting water in the oil from sleeve orings. I always crack the drain plug before starting on anything that has sat for long to check for antifreeze in the pan. If they have been used recently that would show up as cloudy oil.

showcrop · Mar 26, 2020

I was looking at a 1370 a long time ago because it was cheap. But I passed because it seemed to be just too big for haying. Cases of that vintage can be really good buys.

THORNHILL · Mar 26, 2020

I think it boils down to price? Ive heard all the HORROR stories two so ive stayed away from them but couple good buddies have, one a 1070 and one a 2090. Dallas bought his 2090 for 2K because it had rear end noise, then went on to use it trouble free for 10 years and probably rolled up more than 20,000 bales with it! Hes a real rough customer and Since he was expecting a blow up he abused that tractor and more less didn't do anything but engine oil changes. Now he has since sold the tractor for 2K lol

jon f mn · Mar 26, 2020

As far as the pto goes, lots of people use 12/13/1570s to run haybines and round balers, they just put an adapter on the pto and run them at 1300 rpms or so. A 1370 that is in good shape will dyno at near 200 hp, and with the case high torque engine they have more than enough power at that rpm to run most of those pieces. Those engine won't be hurt doing it either like some and it makes them very fuel efficient. Another thing about the cases with power shift is they work like a shuttle shift, just push in the clutch and pull the lever back and back up. Push it in and push it forward to go again. Very handy for round baling and loader work.

ss55 · Mar 26, 2020

Those tractors have a good reputation in their time, but a lot can happen to any individual tractor in the 40 to 50 years since it was new. I would look at the condition of the tractor, tires could be half its value. Any tractor of that era will cost more to overhaul a transmission ($10,000) than it is worth, so maybe treat it as a disposable tractor: buy it for $5K or $6K, run it until it needs major work and then sell/scrap it for $1K and the value of the tires.

I think 1270 and 1370 were only 1000 RPM PTO speed, some large balers use 1000 RPM PTO shafts. Case warned not to run the PTO on power shift tractors with the transmission in reverse because of a shaft overspeed/lubrication limitation, I don't know if that still applies.

jon f mn · Mar 26, 2020

The pto in reverse thing is only for stationary work like blowing silage in a silo or on a manure pump. Reversing with pto like baling or blowing snow is perfectly ok. That is one of the quirks I talked about, But very rarely an issue.

Cowboy2005 · Mar 26, 2020

Thanks everyone, I will hopefully get a chance to talk to the guy who owns the tractor pretty soon. If I buy it I'll post a pic.

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