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3 point wonít lift

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Syanzuk

03-25-2020 19:38:47




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International 656 diesel Hydro I changed all the hydraulic filters And I still canít get to three point to lift weight very well if it goes all the way down it wonít lift any weight but with no weight on it it will creep up and then wants it gets up 3 or so inches itís starts to lift with me standing on the three point 210lbs could it be the O-ring on the lift cylinder underneath the seat. Iím totally baffled anyone have any more suggestions I tried the linkages and all that seems OK with the draft and the lift leavers and the fluids good and clean and up to the full mark if I canít figure it out Iím not sure weíre to start I might try and find someone to work on it but thatís getting hard to find weíre I live the old guys that worked on these are retired or donít work on them any more PLEASE HELP

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rockcreek4630

03-26-2020 06:42:57




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to Syanzuk, 03-25-2020 19:38:47  
From your other post you have a loader how is it hooked in if it has its owen vavle that could be your problem. If it is getting oil all the time you will not make pressure to run the three point unless you stall the loader out (roll bucket all the way back and hold the lever there).



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Syanzuk

03-26-2020 09:04:35




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to rockcreek4630, 03-26-2020 06:42:57  
The loader is connected to one of the remotes in the back I just have to hold the remote lever back with a bunge cord



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used red mn

03-27-2020 11:22:46




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to Syanzuk, 03-26-2020 09:04:35  
Do you leave the lever held back with the bungee all the time? As when you are trying to work the 3 point? Now I am not a 100 percent certain but I think in stock form that tractor has a dividing valve that allows the 3 point and auxiliary remotes to have simultaneous flow. If there is a problem with that valve and you are keeping the auxiliary valve tied back on an open center system all your flow is going through the return in the add on loader valve and it canít build pressure. If you center or untie the auxiliary and the 3 point still has this issue back to head scratching. I considered the 3 point lift cylinder seals could be bad but it would seem odd to me that they could seal in the upper part of the cylinder and not the lower.

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Syanzuk

03-28-2020 20:18:49




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to used red mn, 03-27-2020 11:22:46  
Well I tried everything I can think of and it still wonít lift weight it will lift just fine up and down but when you put weight on it even just a couple hundred pounds. Do you think it could be a O ring in the hydraulic pump some were? The tractor did set for several years until I bought it. But it was in a shed but I wonder if there could be some O rings.



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steve_in_mo

03-25-2020 20:06:16




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to Syanzuk, 03-25-2020 19:38:47  
Have you cycled everything you can think of several times to try and work the air out of the system?



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Syanzuk

03-25-2020 20:45:00




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to steve_in_mo, 03-25-2020 20:06:16  
I did it was acting up before i changed the hydraulic filters



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504

03-25-2020 19:53:08




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to Syanzuk, 03-25-2020 19:38:47  
Are you sure your draft control lever is working?



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Syanzuk

03-25-2020 20:43:28




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 Re: 3 point wonít lift in reply to 504, 03-25-2020 19:53:08  
Well No Iím not sure it goes all the way forward and back I can kinda see/feel the three point nudge when you use the draft control but how can I cheat for sure



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