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Not to step on the speedbinder thread... YTDOT might learn something too.
https://youtu.be/46hKizooXDk
https://youtu.be/46hKizooXDk
(quoted from post at 11:58:30 02/18/20) YTDOT might learn something too.
(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
(quoted from post at 11:58:30 02/18/20) Not to step on the speedbinder thread... YTDOT might learn something too.
https://youtu.be/46hKizooXDk
I see you website says they are "built" in the USA.(quoted from post at 18:47:42 02/18/20)
Yeppers, either a 6,600 wll or 9,200 wll
(quoted from post at 17:46:04 02/18/20)I see you website says they are "built" in the USA.(quoted from post at 18:47:42 02/18/20)
Yeppers, either a 6,600 wll or 9,200 wll
Does that me made in USA?
Or built in USA with imported parts?
(quoted from post at 22:27:47 02/18/20) TOM what YOU think and what happens in the real world must be two different things. I can tell you for certain try and go west of Memphis Tn on I 40 with ANYTHING outside the rub rail and you will cited on the spot. Chain or strap hooks have to be thru the stake pocket or BEHIND the rub rail. Scales have lazier lights that shoot each side and determine the 102 inches, aft that anything else and citation.
(quoted from post at 00:45:33 02/19/20) The ytdot refuses to listen to actual data from the
real dot
(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
(quoted from post at 16:48:41 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
The WSTDA has been a trusted resource since formation as the Web Sling Association in 1973 and is recognized by the U.S. Department of Justice as a Standards Writing Organization. They write the standards for fmcsa. The fmcsa doesn't approve products, they approve the standards products must adhere to.
(quoted from post at 12:47:34 02/21/20)
To me looking for FMCSA or DOT Approved/Certified is just like people saying "OSHA Approved". OSHA does not approve a hard hat from XYZ for example. They provide standards they want it to meet. The manufacturer is responsible to do what they need to do to meet and certify to those standards. OSHA oversees the use of the products, just as the FMCS/DOT does.
From the International Safety Equipment Association: "OSHA does not certify or approve any products. Any claim that a product is "OSHA approved" is misleading.
Product standards determine performance requirements, and certification indicates conformity to standards. How those products are installed and used in the workplace falls under OSHA.
OSHA standards and regulations may mandate the use of a product that meets a standard, but not specify how that product is certified. For example, the OSHA PPE standards require that hard hats, safety glasses and safety footwear meet specific ANSI standards; the OSHA respirator standard requires that products be NIOSH approved. OSHA officials often participate in the development of those standards, and ANSI and OSHA work in close cooperation.
For some products, such as electrical products in the workplace, OSHA requires third-party approval. When this is the case, it specifies the standards to which the products must be approved, and accredits test labs to certify to those standards. These labs are designated Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, or NRTLs. Keep in mind, however, that OSHA does not require third-party approval for PPE. Therefore no lab even if it is an NRTL should claim to be recognized by OSHA to test and approve PPE."
(quoted from post at 17:45:58 02/20/20)(quoted from post at 16:48:41 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
The WSTDA has been a trusted resource since formation as the Web Sling Association in 1973 and is recognized by the U.S. Department of Justice as a Standards Writing Organization. They write the standards for fmcsa. The fmcsa doesn't approve products, they approve the standards products must adhere to.
Oh my, please don't get dodgy when asked a respectful question. Has FMCSA looked at them, referenced them, said "aye, no or maybe" about them in any way, shape or form? I asked respectfully and didn't bash your product in anyway. A simple yes, with a reference citation, or no is all I was asking for. And FMSCA does reference specific type items in their interpretations and outlines when, when and if they are approved for use and also when they are not approved.
(quoted from post at 17:05:34 02/21/20) Nice product Steve! Good luck with the business. I think they are pretty cool.
(quoted from post at 16:47:34 02/21/20)
To me looking for FMCSA or DOT Approved/Certified is just like people saying "OSHA Approved". OSHA does not approve a hard hat from XYZ for example. They provide standards they want it to meet. The manufacturer is responsible to do what they need to do to meet and certify to those standards. OSHA oversees the use of the products, just as the FMCS/DOT does.
From the International Safety Equipment Association: "OSHA does not certify or approve any products. Any claim that a product is "OSHA approved" is misleading.
Product standards determine performance requirements, and certification indicates conformity to standards. How those products are installed and used in the workplace falls under OSHA.
OSHA standards and regulations may mandate the use of a product that meets a standard, but not specify how that product is certified. For example, the OSHA PPE standards require that hard hats, safety glasses and safety footwear meet specific ANSI standards; the OSHA respirator standard requires that products be NIOSH approved. OSHA officials often participate in the development of those standards, and ANSI and OSHA work in close cooperation.
For some products, such as electrical products in the workplace, OSHA requires third-party approval. When this is the case, it specifies the standards to which the products must be approved, and accredits test labs to certify to those standards. These labs are designated Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, or NRTLs. Keep in mind, however, that OSHA does not require third-party approval for PPE. Therefore no lab even if it is an NRTL should claim to be recognized by OSHA to test and approve PPE."
(quoted from post at 20:20:35 02/21/20)(quoted from post at 17:45:58 02/20/20)(quoted from post at 16:48:41 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
The WSTDA has been a trusted resource since formation as the Web Sling Association in 1973 and is recognized by the U.S. Department of Justice as a Standards Writing Organization. They write the standards for fmcsa. The fmcsa doesn't approve products, they approve the standards products must adhere to.
Oh my, please don't get dodgy when asked a respectful question. Has FMCSA looked at them, referenced them, said "aye, no or maybe" about them in any way, shape or form? I asked respectfully and didn't bash your product in anyway. A simple yes, with a reference citation, or no is all I was asking for. And FMSCA does reference specific type items in their interpretations and outlines when, when and if they are approved for use and also when they are not approved.
So YES, I MEET or COMPLY with FMCSA for all 50 states.
Here is the reply from wstda...
WSTDA Reply - fmcsa approval on products
Inbox
x
Bob Jasany
5:56 PM (5 minutes ago)
to Steven, Rene, Kristin
Mr. Helline,
Thank you for your inquiry to the Web Sling & Tie Down Association regarding FMCSA approval of products.
FMCSA does not have a product approval process. In the case of chain binders they do require that the working load limit and manufacturer s designation be plainly marked on each binder. See Section 2.6 Markings found in the WSTDA Recommended Standard Specification For Load Binders Used With Chain Tie Downs WSTDA-T-6 for complete information on marking requirements.
For information on Joining WSTDA, including the membership application forms, go to www.wstda.com At the top of the Home Page click on Join WSTDA. Then click on the drop box selections for information and membership applications.
Thank you.
Bob
Robert S. Jasany
Technical Coordinator
WSTDA
(quoted from post at 17:14:48 02/23/20)(quoted from post at 20:20:35 02/21/20)(quoted from post at 17:45:58 02/20/20)(quoted from post at 16:48:41 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
The WSTDA has been a trusted resource since formation as the Web Sling Association in 1973 and is recognized by the U.S. Department of Justice as a Standards Writing Organization. They write the standards for fmcsa. The fmcsa doesn't approve products, they approve the standards products must adhere to.
Oh my, please don't get dodgy when asked a respectful question. Has FMCSA looked at them, referenced them, said "aye, no or maybe" about them in any way, shape or form? I asked respectfully and didn't bash your product in anyway. A simple yes, with a reference citation, or no is all I was asking for. And FMSCA does reference specific type items in their interpretations and outlines when, when and if they are approved for use and also when they are not approved.
So YES, I MEET or COMPLY with FMCSA for all 50 states.
Here is the reply from wstda...
WSTDA Reply - fmcsa approval on products
Inbox
x
Bob Jasany
5:56 PM (5 minutes ago)
to Steven, Rene, Kristin
Mr. Helline,
Thank you for your inquiry to the Web Sling & Tie Down Association regarding FMCSA approval of products.
FMCSA does not have a product approval process. In the case of chain binders they do require that the working load limit and manufacturer s designation be plainly marked on each binder. See Section 2.6 Markings found in the WSTDA Recommended Standard Specification For Load Binders Used With Chain Tie Downs WSTDA-T-6 for complete information on marking requirements.
For information on Joining WSTDA, including the membership application forms, go to www.wstda.com At the top of the Home Page click on Join WSTDA. Then click on the drop box selections for information and membership applications.
Thank you.
Bob
Robert S. Jasany
Technical Coordinator
WSTDA
Okay, so as I read that you don't belong to this WSTDA yet? That's fine. As I read it you've answered my question and, no, FMCSA hasn't said anything about or offered any opinion on your product. Thats all I was asking. If the FMSCA or a State DOT agency had offered some interpretation or approval of your product that would have silenced some of the detractors. As I said, I don't see why it wouldn't be good to go, but if a regulatory agency had made it plain they were good, as was done with automatic slack adjusters and various load securement systems years back(cross bars or friction matting for example), it would have cleared things up for you. I didn't take it as abrasive, but I didn't think it was a difficult question. My apologies if I wasn't clear in my thought process. Approval or an interpretation stating systems like yours are ok from an actual regulatory agency should clear the way for you. They had to do that with ratcheting binders years back.
(quoted from post at 22:11:02 02/23/20)(quoted from post at 17:14:48 02/23/20)(quoted from post at 20:20:35 02/21/20)(quoted from post at 17:45:58 02/20/20)(quoted from post at 16:48:41 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 09:33:23 02/19/20)(quoted from post at 18:41:17 02/18/20)(quoted from post at 13:24:09 02/18/20) Please post a link, not you tube, where
it states its illegal to use speed
binders. I can't find anything in DOT
regulations that says they are illegal.
Thanks. George
Hi George, Speedbinders are legal in every state. We are manufactured to wstda t-6 standards ( which is a higher standard than odot req's)
It is a high quality binder. I see a lot of guys talking it down on here...they are not for everyone...no worry's. But for those wanting an easier way, safer way, this just might be the binder for you. I am huge in the steel hauling industry and rental...sold over 12,000 units in just the last 2 years alone. Once you use them, you will not go back. Take care
Retired NYSP DOT Inspector here. I'm not familiar with WSTDA T-6 or ODOT. They sound like State agencies. The question is, have they been looked at and approved by the FMCSA Board for interstate commerce in all 50 States, and is there a specific ruling stating so? I'm neither endorsing nor bashing your product, just curious as to their legality. I don't see why they wouldn't be, but sometimes a bit of clarification settles the issue.
The WSTDA has been a trusted resource since formation as the Web Sling Association in 1973 and is recognized by the U.S. Department of Justice as a Standards Writing Organization. They write the standards for fmcsa. The fmcsa doesn't approve products, they approve the standards products must adhere to.
Oh my, please don't get dodgy when asked a respectful question. Has FMCSA looked at them, referenced them, said "aye, no or maybe" about them in any way, shape or form? I asked respectfully and didn't bash your product in anyway. A simple yes, with a reference citation, or no is all I was asking for. And FMSCA does reference specific type items in their interpretations and outlines when, when and if they are approved for use and also when they are not approved.
So YES, I MEET or COMPLY with FMCSA for all 50 states.
Here is the reply from wstda...
WSTDA Reply - fmcsa approval on products
Inbox
x
Bob Jasany
5:56 PM (5 minutes ago)
to Steven, Rene, Kristin
Mr. Helline,
Thank you for your inquiry to the Web Sling & Tie Down Association regarding FMCSA approval of products.
FMCSA does not have a product approval process. In the case of chain binders they do require that the working load limit and manufacturer s designation be plainly marked on each binder. See Section 2.6 Markings found in the WSTDA Recommended Standard Specification For Load Binders Used With Chain Tie Downs WSTDA-T-6 for complete information on marking requirements.
For information on Joining WSTDA, including the membership application forms, go to www.wstda.com At the top of the Home Page click on Join WSTDA. Then click on the drop box selections for information and membership applications.
Thank you.
Bob
Robert S. Jasany
Technical Coordinator
WSTDA
Okay, so as I read that you don't belong to this WSTDA yet? That's fine. As I read it you've answered my question and, no, FMCSA hasn't said anything about or offered any opinion on your product. Thats all I was asking. If the FMSCA or a State DOT agency had offered some interpretation or approval of your product that would have silenced some of the detractors. As I said, I don't see why it wouldn't be good to go, but if a regulatory agency had made it plain they were good, as was done with automatic slack adjusters and various load securement systems years back(cross bars or friction matting for example), it would have cleared things up for you. I didn't take it as abrasive, but I didn't think it was a difficult question. My apologies if I wasn't clear in my thought process. Approval or an interpretation stating systems like yours are ok from an actual regulatory agency should clear the way for you. They had to do that with ratcheting binders years back.
Well, it was a very difficult question with many consequences. At least from a manufacturer and company owner view. You had me at a catch 22. If I answer your question the way it was asked, wanting a yes or no answer. I would be putting out there that, no, fmcsa has not looked at my product and hasn't approved it. So as a manufacturer, that statement would be detrimental to sales if someone would conduct a web search for dot / fmcsa approval for speedbinders. The question was unfair to me because I knew that fmcsa did not evaluate binders and answering your question the way you wanted, out of context was unfair to me, my company, my employees, my vendors and existing customers. The consequences are too dire and unjustified. So, I thought explaining the process / definition of what it actually means to meet fmcsa was more a more fair, productive road. I had to be careful on answering it. You saw it as a simple yes or no. It wasn't. Your initial response was a bit "snarky"...I think you would agree. Perhaps this explanation from a business view better explains why it wasn't so simple. I hope you understand. Take Care, thank you for your service.
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