Vehicle titles

teddy52food

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In 1967 I had a job of taking care of a place not far from me, mowing lawn & snow
removal etc. These were a well to do married couple. They both owned their own car.
She drove in with a brand new 1967 Chrysler 300 one day. I said when you trade again,
I would like that car. In 1969 she traded for a new one and told me the dealer where
she traded. I followed up & bought that car. It never had a title to it. I often
wonder why. This is in Mn.
 
(quoted from post at 11:29:31 02/13/20) In 1967 I had a job of taking care of a place not far from me, mowing lawn & snow
removal etc. These were a well to do married couple. They both owned their own car.
She drove in with a brand new 1967 Chrysler 300 one day. I said when you trade again,
I would like that car. In 1969 she traded for a new one and told me the dealer where
she traded. I followed up & bought that car. It never had a title to it. I often
wonder why. This is in Mn.
We didn't start getting title certificates in NY until 1973. Anything prior, the registration was your title.
 
I don't know about your state, but titles go back way farther than that here (Texas).

I'm thinking back at least to the 1930's.

And it is strictly enforced. Can't do anything without a clear title, not even have a junker hauled off.

There are lots of different types titles. But every vehicle must have some form of title to sell or register it, been that as as far back as I can remember.

For a licensed dealer (new or used) to sell one with no title would be a very serious issue!
 
In the years I use to restore cars. Dodge is one of the hardest ones to do. the reason is because not to many people are reproducing's parts for Dodge cars and trucks. If you can find the Automobile Vin number that is on it. than you might be able to trace it down. The automobile Vin Number is what would get you your car title. You might have to do some paper work but you can get one title. I would think made up in your name. the vin Number on the car states this key of information. Every thing about the car when it was made. Interior, color, engine, day it was made and what plant it was made in and what state the plant was located. Automobiles are more accountable on there production. than farm tractors. Good luck.
 
In a post earlier today on Tractor Tales (that got poofed for some reason), someone mentioned that after 5 years wherever they lived, all MV records were wiped clean. Nowadays with computers and storage in the clouds somewhere, I seriously doubt that. I'm not sure what happens up here with all of that, I've never heard of any issues in my circle of friends, etc.
 
I am in Washington. Several years ago I bought an old jeep from some people who got it with a house years before. I had to take it to the state patrol for a vin inspection, then applied for lost title. Vehicle had not been on the road or registered in years. I got a provisional title for it but had to wait, I believe 3 years for clear title. I sold it in the meantime but could transfer provisional title to new owner and they eventually got the real one. I also worked for the Sheriff's office here for years. The state requires a seller to file notice of sale on a vehicle within 15 days of sale, can be done on line. Some people sold vehicles and did not file the notice and new owner did not register it, so yeaers alater when vehicle was found abandoned the previous owner was responsible.
 
Ontario has a "Used vehicle Information Package" which costs you $20. This package is the history of the vehicle from new , it lists the dealerships that have had the vehicle and the owners in chronological order and the mileage.It is well worth the $20 to see where the vehicle has come from and the background. I can get an ownership with a plate number and /or the vin . I got an ownership for a trailer last year that I had lost the ownership to , it cost $32 for new ownership.
 
(quoted from post at 08:29:31 02/13/20) In 1967 I had a job of taking care of a place not far from me, mowing lawn & snow
removal etc. These were a well to do married couple. They both owned their own car.
She drove in with a brand new 1967 Chrysler 300 one day. I said when you trade again,
I would like that car. In 1969 she traded for a new one and told me the dealer where
she traded. I followed up & bought that car. It never had a title to it. I often
wonder why. This is in Mn.

It is possible that the dealer basically never sold the car, therefore it was never titled. I bought my first car here in Iowa, in 1968. It had a title.
 
There is something odd about Chrysler VIN numbers from the 60s and 70s. My cousin used to do inspections(Missouri patrol) for a
collector(all original cars). He said almost all of them had to be checked.
 
I don't understand what you mean. She traded an older station wagon on the 67 300 ,
then traded the 300 back in for a new 1969. I traded in a Mustang on the 300 , all at
the same dealer. My registration papers said NO TITLE.
 
Missouri used to be a place where wrecked and/or stolen cars were cut up and welded back together.
Title laundering was easier here than other places - at the time.
 
(quoted from post at 19:32:14 02/13/20) I don't understand what you mean. She traded an older station wagon on the 67 300 ,
then traded the 300 back in for a new 1969. I traded in a Mustang on the 300 , all at
the same dealer. My registration papers said NO TITLE.

I'm not sure, but when the dealer gets a new car on the lot, it is not yet titled. If the dealer, or a salesman want to use that car for vacation, etc, it gets dealer plates put on. Same thing when a customer takes it for a test drive. That car could be one or two years old, or older, and still would not ever have been registered and titled. Basically, I do not know, but strange things do happen with the paper work sometimes.
 
(quoted from post at 09:22:26 02/14/20)
(quoted from post at 19:32:14 02/13/20) I don't understand what you mean. She traded an older station wagon on the 67 300 ,
then traded the 300 back in for a new 1969. I traded in a Mustang on the 300 , all at
the same dealer. My registration papers said NO TITLE.

I'm not sure, but when the dealer gets a new car on the lot, it is not yet titled. If the dealer, or a salesman want to use that car for vacation, etc, it gets dealer plates put on. Same thing when a customer takes it for a test drive. That car could be one or two years old, or older, and still would not ever have been registered and titled. Basically, I do not know, but strange things do happen with the paper work sometimes.

New cars are not titled yet but every one of them has an MSO Manufacturer Statement of Origin) which is exactly the same as a title. In Kansas you cannot title a new vehicle without the MSO being signed over to you by the dealer. If the vehicle has been transferred from one dealer to another the MSO will be signed off on the back just like a title transferring from one person to another.
 
(quoted from post at 11:15:46 02/14/20)
(quoted from post at 09:22:26 02/14/20)
(quoted from post at 19:32:14 02/13/20) I don't understand what you mean. She traded an older station wagon on the 67 300 ,
then traded the 300 back in for a new 1969. I traded in a Mustang on the 300 , all at
the same dealer. My registration papers said NO TITLE.

I'm not sure, but when the dealer gets a new car on the lot, it is not yet titled. If the dealer, or a salesman want to use that car for vacation, etc, it gets dealer plates put on. Same thing when a customer takes it for a test drive. That car could be one or two years old, or older, and still would not ever have been registered and titled. Basically, I do not know, but strange things do happen with the paper work sometimes.

New cars are not titled yet but every one of them has an MSO Manufacturer Statement of Origin) which is exactly the same as a title. In Kansas you cannot title a new vehicle without the MSO being signed over to you by the dealer. If the vehicle has been transferred from one dealer to another the MSO will be signed off on the back just like a title transferring from one person to another.

The last several vehicles we bought, the dealer took care of all the paper work. Sent what was needed to the appropriate courthouse, and then the motor vehicle department sent us the plates and registration. Since the vehicles were financed, the courthouse kept the title. When the last payment was made, we then could get the title.
 
Back in college, I was running up the highway on a Sunday night, 1970 Chevelle SS, 402, loud mufflers and a headlight out. State trooper decided to check me out. He declared my VIN tag on the dash was rusted enough to question the validity of my title/registration. I got an appearance ticket to bring the car to the MSP post garage for VIN inspection, possibly including removal of body panels. When I called for directions the next day, the officer laughed that I had fallen for the whole story. He told me to just ignore the summons, the troop was messing with me. I did, but am still not sure he was...
 
In Kansas if the vehicle is older than 20 (30?) years you can file for lost title. The state then does three searches. They search their records - if it has ever been titled in the state of Kansas only the last registered owner can file for the title. They then check to see if it came up stolen or has a properly filed loan against it. If it passes those three checks you get the title. If it fails any of those three you just as well park it and forget about it.
 

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