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chevytaHOE5674

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Ok guys I have an 8.5 foot rear snowblower behind one of 3 120+ horsepower tractors and it works OK but all of the tractors have roughly a 2mph low reverse so it's not ideal and looking backwards for hours or days on end gets old so I just end up using my pickup and plow more often.

Saw a Wisconsin V-465D for sale and from what I gather is 65 horsepower. Got to thinking if it would be enough HP to run the blower? Could mount it on the blower and then change the blower over to a skid steer quick attach and put it on the front of all my loader tractors. Most can run at roughly .5mph in low forward. I would have a slower travel speed, be looking forward, and super easy to change from machine to machine.

Is 65hp enough power? Also any other options for a little more power in an "easy" to adapt package like a wisconsin?
 

Could have 500HP on the 8-1/2 blower at 2mph . Doesn t matter because once the blower is full . Extra HP is just wasted by forcing the auger through compacted snow .
 
I don't know haw much HP it takes to run the blower. Just remember some of your tractor power is taken up moving the tractor and blower and with its own engine to run blower figure aboit how much power the tractor it taking to move and that might give you an Idea how much the blower takes. Could be half the tractor PTO HP for all I know. So that taken off the tractor if it had its own engine would be how much smaller a tractor you would need so might give you an idea.
 
Weight would be the limiting factor before power. We've got a big 8' or 8.5' Deere snowblower and it has to weigh at least 3000lbs. Need half a rack of weights on the front of the IH 1066 to keep the front end on the ground.

You would need a pretty stout loader to have that much weight, plus the extra weight of an engine, hanging out there.

That said I don't think 65HP will be enough for a snowblower that size.
 
Weight isn't an issue. All my big loader tractors lift 5k lbs without trouble.

My gut says 65 horsepower isn't enough, but was hoping somebody may have some experience. They make 7' units for a pickup truck with a 27 or 38hp engine.

Going to something with 100+ hp means larger footprint to mount, a radiator and cooling system, etc. All that would add considerable weight and bulk to the package.
 

65HP is lots of you can keep the front wheels on the ground .
40 HP or 400HP no matter if the reverse gear is too fast .
 
The Wisconsin is NOT big enough. Light fluffy snow, maybe. Wet heavy takes a LOT of power. Also depends how fast you want to go. I stopped using the rear mount after I found this blower, and at times it can use all of the 150 PTO HP the tractor has. I do like to go a bit fast though.
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Years back when we USE to get hammered with snow i kicked the idea around of a ft. mount blower on a pick up like a double auger 8 footer . Like others have said WEIGHT , now off hand i forget what the 8 foot snowlander i was looking at weighed , but it was going to take some mod.'s to the ft end of a heavy 3/4 ton with a Dana 60 ft axle and that is rated for 4500 Lbs . Power wise i kicked around several options , One was a skid mounted V 8 thru a drop box and a drive shaft with carried bearings , thern i thought about the skid mounted power plant and hyd. pump and a hyd motor on the blower and was leaning that way heavily as i found a BIG pump that had lots of flow and a huge Hyd Motor that ran at 650 RPM and in terms of Hp was at 150 . I was swinging that way till GLOBAL hit and the big snow machine stopped making big snows and everything i was doing the plow handled nicely . There use to be a compqany that made ft. mount blower Pkgs that ran off the rear PTO with a gear box and drive shaft that ran under the tractor , but it has been many years since i stayed up on what was out there . Now with what snow we get now 99.9 % of the time my little OLD 724 walk behind does all i need WHEN IT RUNS.
 
Like I said I want to go forward so reverse speed is a non issue. I can travel down to .5 mph forward maybe a tad slower at a low idle. Tractor weight is not an issue, this would be hanging on the loader of an 18000lbs 170pto tractor, so having 4k lbs on the loader is just like carrying 2 bales of hay in the bucket.

That front setup on the AC is cool but would be useless UP here being 2wd. Also not looking for something as permanent as that. I need to be able to somewhat quickly be able to load and stack hay, move snow, unroll hay for cows, etc.

My though with a self contained loader mounted blower is I could easily toss it on the back of my truck and move it farm to farm where I have tractors already, no need to run tractors down the salt roads.
 
A lot depends on snow conditions in your area, a couple years ago neighbor bought a used drive forward 3pt snow blower to go along with his reverse 3pt snow blower but he has never used the reverse once since
because we haven't had the big storms of 2 to 3ft of snow at once for several years, mostly 3" to 1ft at a time. Another person I know did like TV said mounted his snow blower on front end loader bought a
hycapacity PTO driven hydraulic pump and put a hydraulic motor on the snow blower.
 
We get a lot of snow. 170 inches or 14 feet of accumulation so far this 19/20 winter. Usually it's cold and dry snow, today its heavy wet dense stuff. Last weekend we got 30 some inches over 3 days, last year 40 inches in 20 hours. Do most of it with my pickup and plow, some with loader bucket or loader plow and a small minority with the rear blower.
 
First off what do you have for a blower?
Some can move a lot of snow and some cant.

Second, I would look at Deutz power long
before I considered a wisconsin.

Also keep in mind that many of the
commercial self powered blowers need at
least a 2 yd end loader to handle them.
 
8.5 foot hansen. It will move some snow if you want to looks behind you all day and aren't afraid to ride the inching pedal at times.
 
Unless you have a very large 2wd tractor (mine is only 105hp and 10,000lbs with chains) I can plow more snow with my 3/4ton pickup truck than my tractor. 2wd tractor when the front tire goes down any sort of hill you ain't getting back up. Been there done that many times. Like I said we plow alot of snow around here.

There is a reason the 2wd tractor stays parked 99% of the winter in favor of the MFWD models.
 
There?s chains, and then there?s chains.


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I?ve never had a traction issue with these. Pick up will push snow faster, but not nearly as hard.

Could only find a couple pictures of Hanson blowers online. If yours is similar, I wouldn?t waste the time trying to repower it.
 
There really isn't an issue with the blower it works just fine and will move snow. The only issue with it or any blower for that matter is travel speed of the tractor its on.

What I'm hoping to accomplish is self power it and put it on the loader as I have the ability to go much slower forward, better visability, and skid steer quick attach on loaders would make switching from blower to bale spear to bucket a 30 second task. Unhooking the rear bale unroller and hitching the blower is a PIA time consuming task. And I unroll hay daily and generally move snow 4 to 5 days a week so there is no way I'm changing rear implements that often when its -20 degrees outside.

As said I've plowed 14 FEET of snowfall this year with my pickup without issue my 2wd tractor would be stuck trying to get up the hills on my driveway lol. Just thinking the blower maybe kind of handy to use if it was comfortable and easy to hook up.

One guy says he ran an 8 footer on 66hp the next says 400hp. Lol
 
I got a 8ft truck snow plow, welded up a universal skidsteer plate to snow plow, hooked up hyd. have 2-speed skidsteer, goes 13mph. skidsteer weighs about what a truck does, and has fwd. boy, can you plow snow, lift up plow, spin around, lots better than pickup. 3ft snow is a problem, then I get out snowblower out
 
this one I ran for years had 160 hp,, had a AC engine they made hp but little torque you had to creep along running it,, it sure did the job but broke no speed records 1-2 mph in any amount of snow blower take real power unless you can just creep,, and yes that is me in the cab loader was a 966D the blower a 10' wide Sno-Go tried to get them to buy a Fair built blower but the same unit then was over 100,000 more then the Sno-Go
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65 hp not enough.

Ran a small fan 7 ft blower with 60 hp for years but its not enough power.

Got a 7 ft, big fan with side chute Normand. Tried on 60 hp, not anywhere close to enough power. 90 hp runs it ok, 120 hp works better.

Also have a 1000 pto 9 ft double auger with a big fan, in deep drifts it will suck up 130 hp and still make you ride the clutch.
 

Still comes down to the fact that once the blower is full . Any extra HP used to force the blower Faster into the snowdrift . It is a waste of power and over stresses the entire driveline
 
Dont have the ability to creep like a hydrostatic or TC end loader that is for sure. [b:3498445676].[/b:3498445676]4 mph is as slow as I can go and still have enough tractor engine RPM to be able to lift the loader and steer.

Sounds like at that speed I will need over 100hp. Guess I will keep my eyes peeled for a bigger power unit that is still manageable in size. Found a cheap mercedes turbo diesel with 175hp but not being an ag unit has no type of clutch on it or RSV on the Bosch pump.
 
We have a whisker short of a mile of driveway. 45 years ago I had a 7' front mount with a 38 hp Wisconsin that was grossly underpowered and therefore deathly slow. Used it for a couple of years then after the big snows slacked off in the early eighties I mounted a 10' power angle plow on the front and bought a 7' rear mount blower to hang on the back of my two wheel drive 70 hp Allis 6070. With the additional weight of the blower on the back I can easily plow 2' of snow, and have gone through 3' without much difficulty. Only time I have had to use the blower in the last 30-35 years was the half dozen years that we had a decent enough amount of snow that I had to blow the banks back, and that was only one time each year that that happened. Downside is that the Allis is pretty much dedicated to snow removal from Thanksgiving through mid-March.
 
I have a 12' power angle setup for skid steer quick attach on the loader. Can move a lot of snow with it on an 18k lbs MFWD tractor. Last winter we had a blizzard come thru with drifts of snow 12+ foot high overnight. No pushing thru that with a plow so I spent hours digging thru with a loader bucket. My idea was a blower on the loader I could reach up and start from the top and blow my way down to the ground. Guess that's just a dream for now.
 
No way would it be 6' in front of the bucket. Motor would side sideways on top of the blower. Even the counties blower on a 5yd end loader with a 250hp cat on it doesnt stick out over 7 foot from the loader pins.
 
A 65 HP Wisconsin engine might be slower than what you have now. A 150+ HP power unit out of a salvaged combine would be a closer match.
 
Is a V465D any easier to restart than the older 30 HP Wisconsins? If you slugged one of the old ones you had to let them cool for an hour before they would restart.
 
(quoted from post at 12:54:01 01/24/20) Is a V465D any easier to restart than the older 30 HP Wisconsins? If you slugged one of the old ones you had to let them cool for an hour before they would restart.
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If the valve lash was properly set, they would restart hot .
 
Part of the problem with a hot no start is they had a heat switch built in so that if they overheated they would automatically quit. If you shut them down when hot they would heat soak and the switch would trip . Perhaps some got more sensitive over the years. If you can find it as I don't remember where it was try disconnecting it and see if it starts easier.
 
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