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Water audit. 55 gallons per day?

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Ultradog MN

01-17-2020 02:47:07




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I read that California was going to pass legislation that limited house hold water usage to 55 gallons of water per person per day. They wanted to put some teeth into it with some hefty fines but then realized it would be nearly impossible to enforce so they backed off and just made it advisory. I suspect it's coming though. California has always been on the forefront of environmental legislation.
At first I wanted to sneer at California as I thought 55 gallons was a rather paltry amount so I did a little internet searching and figuring and did a personal "water audit".
Here are some numbers for you.
Lets say you wash your hands 4 times per day. At our house it takes most of a minute to get the water hot enough to wash them. At 1 gpm from a typical faucet that's at least 5 gallons per day.
Flush the toilet what - 5 times per day?
That's a tough one to figure since toilets vary anywhere from 1.6 gpf to 4 gpf if you have a real old one. We have one of each so I'll average it out at 2.5 gpf X 5 flushes = 12.5 gallons.
Showers? Federal statistics say the average shower uses 17 gallons. I shower about 5 times per week. Every day in the summer. So I'm going to average it out to 14 gallons per day.
I do my own laundry, about 3 loads per week with a top loader. Wife does her own plus towels, sheets, etc. That's about 100 gallons per week for each of us according to an internet search. So I need another 14 gals per day for clean clothes.
They say a front load washer uses quite a bit less than a top loader by the way. Might pay to look into one when this one goes kaput.
Normally just the two of us here so we run the dishwasher about twice a week at 6 gals per load. So I'll round up to 2 gals per day for that = a gallon per person per day.
Then there's all the incidental stuff like cleaning extra pots and pans, the stove and counter tops, etc, extra scouring hands after working on a tractor, mop the kitchen floor once a week, clean the bathrooms weekly, drinking water, brushing teeth, making coffee, cooking, watering our indoor plants, and water for pets if you have them.
That's a hard one to figure so I'm going to swag it and say another 6 gals per day.
So as close as I can figure I use about 53.5 gallons per day.
Whew! We could just make it.
We're on city water here so if they delivered 2 55 gal drums of water each day I think we could get by here. Two barrels does seem like a lot though doesn't it?
I don't know what we'd do if company came for a few days or we had Thanksgiving dinner here. Maybe order take out and use paper plates?
Order a couple more barrels?
Hand out deodorant to our guests?
I'd have to collect rain water to pressure wash a tractor, clean the car and water the flowers and tomatoes though.
I doubt that here in the land of 10,000 lakes and 50,000 swamps, ponds and rivers they would ever pass a law like that but some of you folks in dry country could get laws like that in the forseeable future.
I think you could get by. Barely.
Just some late night musing here. Hope you don't mind. I did mention tractors a couple of times just to make it legal.
I would hope I'd have enough extra water to fill the radiators on mine.
Jerry

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Uniballer

01-18-2020 06:08:51




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Only the hydrogen of that water came from underground. All of the oxygen in the new water (most of the mass) came from the atmosphere. Plus all the carbon in the propane combined with oxygen to make CO2.



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svcummins

01-17-2020 22:07:54




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Hopefully they’ll put in a valve that shuts em off at 55 and that’s it for the day otherwise they’ll just find a way to legally take the water from the rest of us



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MarkB_MI

01-18-2020 04:29:11




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to svcummins, 01-17-2020 22:07:54  
> Hopefully they’ll put in a valve that shuts em off at 55 and that’s it for the day otherwise they’ll just find a way to legally take the water from the rest of us

Who is this "rest of us" that has water that CA is going to take? California already takes most of the water from the lower Colorado River, and the rest of their water comes from in-state sources. There is no other water in the country that can be transported practically to CA. Too many mountains in the way. The only other possibility would be for other states taking water from the Colorado River to cede their allocations to California, and that is not going to happen.

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Billy NY

01-17-2020 17:42:38




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Valuable resource above all so to speak.

The aquifer here is incredible, the amount of rain for the last few years is too. Even in dry summers, the water table just does not seem to fade for any reason. I had the well tested at the place below that I am buying, the flow test ran awhile, no change in the water level. In the lower areas, I recall digging a hole and hitting water at 6'-0" or approximately so. There are springs along the hill side and down at the old farmstead, I had to dig a ditch drain a substantial one, it just comes out of the ground. It was not like this in the 70's but was a wet area in the same spot. Springs on the hillside dry down if we get a dry summer. Old time well driller stated years ago, its an inexhaustible aquifer, but I have no way of proving that, just thankful it's likely never to be a worry. Along the gentle slopes here are small wetlands, that filter off quite a bit of nice clean water, the one ditch runs most of the year.

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Russ from MN

01-17-2020 17:24:14




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
I wish I had a picture of our flowing (artesian) well in MN, after a few good rains it will flow 30 gpm, we had to run a drain pipe to the road ditch to get rid of the water!



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JMOR

01-17-2020 12:38:46




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teddy52food

01-17-2020 10:55:55




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
I keep suggesting that we should be building water treatment plants & putting some back underground instead of letting it flood our neighbors downstream. Maybe someday???



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David Snipes

01-17-2020 16:11:53




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to teddy52food, 01-17-2020 10:55:55  
The town of Airway Heights Washington is putting their treated waste water into the ground via large leach fields to try and raise the depleted water table. California should try that, or maybe they are somewhere.



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rusty6

01-17-2020 10:50:22




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This is what i believe too. There is a finite amount of water in the earth and it's atmosphere and it is constantly recirculating and re-cycling. You can't "use it all up" but you can make most of it unfit for human consumption. That is the problem. I use all I want here on the farm well. Cistern collects rain water from the roof for all washing and I haul 2 70 gallon tanks of drinking (reverse osmosis) water from town per year. I'm still trying to imagine drinking 3 gallons a day and I could not do it.

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John in La

01-17-2020 10:35:38




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
When asked 40 of the 50 states predict they will have drinking water shortages in the future. May not be in your life time but hopefully we are not the last generation to live on this earth. Many areas already ration water certain times of the year.

So while California does some crazy stuff some of you may be jumping the gun a little on this subject and need to take a closer look in your own back yard.

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Bob Harvey

01-17-2020 10:10:29




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
We are on our own ground water shallow well and have 6,000 gals. in black plastic tanks for the summer. Without waste, we average 45 gals. per day in the summer for TWO people. Use the dishwasher, laundry, short showers, and water the flowers only.



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Russ from MN

01-17-2020 09:48:36




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Unfortunately a lot of people in the SW are in denial about the impending water crisis, here in Arizona it's in the news, but I don't know if they will do anything about it until it's too late. There is a lot of big corporate agriculture near Wilcox and they are drilling wells 1,500 feet deep and 16 inches in diameter and pumping all they want, no restrictions. Neighboring residential wells are going dry, and a homeowner can't afford to drill a 1,500 foot well, so they end up hauling water. I bet they get by on less than 55 gpd when you have to buy it and haul it!

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Ultradog MN

01-17-2020 09:03:00




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Wow.
The fellow who drinks 3 gals of water would never make it in California.
A human bladder holds about a pint.
Gallon is 8 pints. 3 gals is 24 pints.
Now I know we sweat and exhale a lot of water. Anyone want to guess how much? I'm going to pick a number out of thin air here and say it's about 1/3 of what we drink - more in summer, less in winter.
That's still 16 flushes. Using my average of 2.5 gpf that's 40 gals per day plus the 3 you drank.
Of course since most here are guys we can go behind the shed. That would save a LOT of water. Probably enough to wash a tractor or the dog if it rolls in some nasty stuff. Or let our wives take longer showers.
But then they'd contrive a way to get us for polluting.
Not me. I'm going to stay right here in Minnesota.

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paul

01-17-2020 08:44:05




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The contrast of how the rich shiny people live and the way California dictates the peons should live is pretty amazing.

Hard to comprehend.

I go outside a lot, so I save a lot of flushes. Typical miserly old farmer, don’t even have a shower, and likely don’t take as many baths as I should. Should give me rock star status?

Paul



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MSD

01-17-2020 08:37:49




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
If your on city water you must have a meter. Wouldn't it be easier to just divide the gallons in the reading by the number of days by the number in the household to give you an accurate total?



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Check Break

01-17-2020 08:24:44




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UD, you forgot to factor in the homeless dividend. Their limited usage adds another 23.6 gallons a day to the 55 gpp quota.



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gregww

01-17-2020 07:58:38




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeWell, except for that very little bit he turned into wine.



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jacksun65

01-17-2020 07:25:38




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Now CA wants to tax your water and air. So if you don't pay your water or air tax they just get the Gangs to collect it in blood.



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kerry50

01-17-2020 07:15:39




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Back in the 70's during the oil embargoes my wise grandfather would tell me, "You think it's bad now, wait till they go to fighting for water". He was wise before his time.



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rustyfarmall

01-17-2020 07:13:52




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You are correct. California has issues with water because that state is essentially a desert. There naturally is very little water in a desert, so they have to rely on snow melt to provide water, and that is not reliable.



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gregww

01-17-2020 07:06:27




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According to Google, if you can trust them, the amount of water on earth remains a constant. Doesn't matter how, or where it's used. Eventually it comes back as usable water. On the downside, only 100th of 1 percent is available for human use. Doesn't sound like much, does it? If this is wrong, blame google.



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Russ from MN

01-17-2020 12:00:26




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to gregww, 01-17-2020 07:06:27  
I agree with that, but what about when we burn fossil fuels, most of them give off about 3 quarts of liquid water for every gallon equivalent burned. For example, when you burn a gallon of propane to heat your house, if you condensed the exhaust you would get 3 quart of water. Isn't that new water? It's been trapped below ground for millions of years!



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Goose

01-17-2020 07:40:48




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to gregww, 01-17-2020 07:06:27  
I read somewhere, too, that there is the exact same amount of water on Earth today as there was when Christ walked the Earth.

Water evaporates, the vapor rises up to the clouds and returns to Earth in the form of rain.



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01-17-2020 06:49:25




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Coshoo, you make it look like you have made a close inspection of UDs plumbing.



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coshoo

01-17-2020 06:47:14




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You could save about 3 gallons a day by making it a point to wash your hands at the basin closest to the water heater. A minute to get hot water is a long time, and surely you have a bathroom near the water heater. Also, turning up the thermostat on the water heater would help.



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showcrop

01-17-2020 06:24:02




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Mutt and Jeff, your question makes it look like you need to go back to school to learn to read before somebody puts an important paper in front of you to sign, LOL.



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part time pete

01-17-2020 04:30:19




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Of course most of the water us rural folks use goes back into the ground via percolation, whereas the water that is used in urban areas ends up in the ocean via sewage treatment plants



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MarkB_MI

01-17-2020 04:46:02




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to part time pete, 01-17-2020 04:30:19  
> Of course most of the water us rural folks use goes back into the ground via percolation, whereas the water that is used in urban areas ends up in the ocean via sewage treatment plants

If that's the case, why is the water table is dropping in the Ogallala Aquifer and in California's Central Valley?

In fact, Los Angeles and many other western cities recycle their wastewater. Very little makes it to the ocean.

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Traditional Farmer

01-17-2020 05:44:25




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Probably because the water in those places is used for irrigation,what isn't used by the plants get evaporated,unlike a septic system where the water goes back underground.



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MarkB_MI

01-17-2020 06:26:12




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 01-17-2020 05:44:25  
> Probably because the water in those places is used for irrigation,what isn't used by the plants get evaporated,unlike a septic system where the water goes back underground.

Correct. Even though millions of acre-feet of water are imported into the Central Valley and the High Plains every year, the water table continues to drop, because agriculture uses far more water every year than is received in rainfall and from aquaducts. Which is to say the idea (asserted by you and Part Time) that farmers are somehow replenishing groundwater is utter nonsense.

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Traditional Farmer

01-17-2020 04:35:30




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to part time pete, 01-17-2020 04:30:19  
Good point,plus I have several springs on the farm where the water runs out of 24/7, maybe I could some sort of credit for adding water to the system.(LOL)



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VADAVE

01-17-2020 04:05:03




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
C'mon guys of course California has to impose water rationing THEY RESIDE IN A DESERT.
People forget that little fact when they move there. California has redirected a river to try meat southern California water needs but as near as I can tell has not installed ant desalination plants.

Are you surprised at anything they do?? And then they think the rest of us have to have a water problem too.

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MarkB_MI

01-17-2020 04:33:10




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to VADAVE, 01-17-2020 04:05:03  
California does in fact have desalination plants. But it's much more expensive to make fresh water from seawater than to transport water from other parts of the state. And it is not environmentally friendly: It takes a lot of energy and raises ocean salinity near the plants.

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caterpillar guy

01-17-2020 04:01:02




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
I'd never make it on only a paltry 55 gallon a day. I drink about 3 gallon per day in the summer. Use a quart jar filled a couple times just for dinner at noon. And some more in between morning and again before supper With supper is another quart. Then the 1/2 gallon water jug I take to the field from about april to november during planting, spraying,haying and fall combining. Run the hose over my head during the summer to cool off. Just would not make it.

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Traditional Farmer

01-17-2020 03:39:45




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
A woman taking showers will blow you estimate to pieces(LOL)



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grizz02

01-17-2020 04:21:08




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 01-17-2020 03:39:45  
my wife uses the 55 on just her shower



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JerryS

01-17-2020 11:18:34




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to grizz02, 01-17-2020 04:21:08  
You must have one heckuva water heater.



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Fawteen

01-17-2020 03:37:21




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
Every once in a while when I get a little too cranky about my life, I'm moved to make a mental list of things I'm grateful for.

I've just added "I don't live in California" to that list.



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Mutt and Jeff

01-17-2020 03:32:42




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
And do you live in California or is this just another backhanded stab at your political opponents?

This is an antique tractor website



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jimg.allentown

01-17-2020 03:42:14




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-17-2020 03:32:42  
Are you always so hostile to others? That remark was uncalled for.

I don't know who peed in your cheerios, but you need to lighten up.

Yeah, YOU, Mutt and Jeff!



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Mutt and Jeff

01-17-2020 03:56:59




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Are you always so hostile to others?

yes jimg.allentown

I mean you.
Lighten up would ya.



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Crazy Horse

01-17-2020 12:15:14




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M&J ...... I would guess that most of the YT crowd here that flame California (and the people who live there) have never set foot on the property, nor do they even really know anyone who lives there. I think the J-word has a LOT to do with it ....



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jimg.allentown

01-17-2020 04:37:28




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You started it. Now, please be nice.



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MarkB_MI

01-17-2020 03:32:19




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Ultradog MN, 01-17-2020 02:47:07  
When I lived in California I would usually take "shipboard" showers: Get wet, turn the water off, soap up then a quick rinse.

The majority of California water goes to agriculture, so water rationing of households only goes so far.



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Tx Jim

01-17-2020 03:09:52




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I've never understood the need to regularly water lawns other than home/business owner taking an "ego trip". I've never watered my lawn & it has survived the Texas summers but it has no exotic grasses.



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Steve@Advance

01-17-2020 07:29:59




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 Re: Water audit. 55 gallons per day? in reply to Tx Jim, 01-17-2020 03:09:52  
Tx Jim, I never water my lawn either.

I do water the crape myrtle trees when they get really wilted, and I have no choice to run the soaker hose around the foundation.

Looking at the water bill summery, in the heat of summer I'm averaging about 110 gallons per person. But in the winter it drops to 44 per person.



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