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Skoal022

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Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and just recently bought a farm last year. I have about 32 to 35 acres to Bush hog. I don't have the money to buy hay equipment or a big tractor as of right now. Tried giving the hay away this year and can't count on anyone.
I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt.
Ive been looking at LCG tractors 231, 531, 2110, and the 4110. I want one with around 60hp maybe put a 10' Bush hog behind it? Or possibly make a belly mower set up? My cousin says he can get me a ford 531 with a sticker bar mower and a worn out bush hog for 5k. Sounds high to me. Think it's 8' wide with big turf tires. I live in eastern ky and we do have some steep ground at times. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
 
Forget about a 10 foot bush hog for your kind of acreage and apparent budget. Stick with a 6 footer or so, or use what you've been using on your 2000. Slopes aren't dangerous if you go up and down them, not across. Non-live PTO won't hurt you unless you wait to long to push clutch when approaching creek, fence or cliff. 531 Ford with sickle bar mower and worn out bushhog for 5 k is a "willing seller, buyer held at gunpoint" type of deal.
 

Yes, I thought so as well. What would it be worth?
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(quoted from post at 20:13:10 12/12/19) If you don't have an over running device on the pto, get one so you can stop without the rotary cutter pushing you around.
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I already have one. Got hung up in kudzu over the summer. B hole got tight a few times. I just want something lower to the ground live power and power steering. Seat belt be nice as well. I'm usually alone back there.
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(quoted from post at 21:37:02 12/12/19) Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and just recently bought a farm last year. I have about 32 to 35 acres to Bush hog. I don't have the money to buy hay equipment or a big tractor as of right now. Tried giving the hay away this year and can't count on anyone.
I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt.
Ive been looking at LCG tractors 231, 531, 2110, and the 4110. I want one with around 60hp maybe put a 10' Bush hog behind it? Or possibly make a belly mower set up? My cousin says he can get me a ford 531 with a sticker bar mower and a worn out bush hog for 5k. Sounds high to me. Think it's 8' wide with big turf tires. I live in eastern ky and we do have some steep ground at times. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
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"I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt."

Folks used to farm several hundred acres with a twenty-something HP Ford "N" without a live PTO or ROPS or a seatbelt, so mowing/rotary cutting some 30 acres should be no big deal, you don't need 60 HP and a 10' rotary cutter to get it done.

Are there steep slopes your property that make you uncomfortable mowing with what you have?

If so, may I make a couple of suggestions?

Visit your local soil conservation district and/or state agricultural extension office and find out if you qualify for any programs to protect steeply sloped/erodible land.

If no help there, seek out a local person capable of mowing your land, as needed, and retain them.

You can pay them to mow, as needed, for quite a few years for less money than your BIG and SAFE dream tractor and mower will cost you, not to mention fuel and maintenance.
 
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(quoted from post at 21:37:02 12/12/19) Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and just recently bought a farm last year. I have about 32 to 35 acres to Bush hog. I don't have the money to buy hay equipment or a big tractor as of right now. Tried giving the hay away this year and can't count on anyone.
I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt.
Ive been looking at LCG tractors 231, 531, 2110, and the 4110. I want one with around 60hp maybe put a 10' Bush hog behind it? Or possibly make a belly mower set up? My cousin says he can get me a ford 531 with a sticker bar mower and a worn out bush hog for 5k. Sounds high to me. Think it's 8' wide with big turf tires. I live in eastern ky and we do have some steep ground at times. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
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"I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt."

Folks used to farm several hundred acres with a twenty-something HP Ford "N" without a live PTO or ROPS or a seatbelt, so mowing/rotary cutting some 30 acres should be no big deal, you don't need 60 HP and a 10' rotary cutter to get it done.

Are there steep slopes your property that make you uncomfortable mowing with what you have?

If so, may I make a couple of suggestions?

Visit your local soil conservation district and/or state agricultural extension office and find out if you qualify for any programs to protect steeply sloped/erodible land.

If no help there, seek out a local person capable of mowing your land, as needed, and retain them.

You can pay them to mow, as needed, for quite a few years for less money than your BIG and SAFE dream tractor and mower will cost you, not to mention fuel and maintenance.
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Yes, I completely agree with you. But why take the chance if I don't have to. I just mainly want a seat belt and roll bar. The wide stance would be nice as well. The back side of my property have some pretty steep ground. I can't count on anyone to take care of things for me. I jus soon do it myself and be done with it. I can buy any tractor I want I'm just trying to get by at the moment. Bought 240 acres last year and wanting to start on a new home. Yes, my soil and conservation office work with HEL land types.
 
You can help to stabilize your 2000 by flipping the discs in the rear wheels so that they are wide stance, and extending your front axles. A
2000 has a pretty low center of gravity.
 
A Ford 4110 isn t that. I do like it (3000 chassis with 4000 diesel motor). I hate to say it but I would rather have hill than that.
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My grandfather stopped baling that hill in the 90 s after he had a run away farmall.
 
You could always put duals on the one you have or
if you find one thats not a lcg to replace what you
have . Load all four rear tires with liquid ballast and
a good stack of front weights and theyll hang on
about any hill you ever want to be on
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Id also go for power steering there have been quite
a few times wnere ive had to stand on the downhill
brake get er pointed down the hill in a big hurry to
keep it standing up.
 
Not likely to find much with a wider stance than what you have already and if you mowed with that side mound mower you could get away from that hanging on the back . Why the chain to hold the top link up? Over running clutch would solve your being pushed problem. A seat belt on any tractor with out rollover protection of some kind is just asking to be killed. You could mount a seat belt on what you have. Bolt it to the bottom of the seat mount at the top of the transmission case. With those wide tires I would worry more about sliding on wet grass than I would rolling over.
 
(quoted from post at 04:47:58 12/13/19) Not likely to find much with a wider stance than what you have already and if you mowed with that side mound mower you could get away from that hanging on the back . Why the chain to hold the top link up? Over running clutch would solve your being pushed problem. A seat belt on any tractor with out rollover protection of some kind is just asking to be killed. You could mount a seat belt on what you have. Bolt it to the bottom of the seat mount at the top of the transmission case. With those wide tires I would worry more about sliding on wet grass than I would rolling over.
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I don't own that 531. Someone wants to sell it for 5k. I was asking what would a fair price be for it.
 
If you turn the disc around in the back wheels so they are dished out then, turn you rims and tires so that the loops that bolt to the disc are towards the tractor, you may have to change the wheels from one side to the other and then, bolt the disc so it is on the tractor side of the loops. Then you tractor will be as wide or maybe a little wider than the 531.You can also add weight to the wheels besides doing that. Widen the front to match. If you roll the tractor set up like that, there is no way anything should have been on that hill. Get an overiding clutch. That's a whole lot cheaper than a different tractor. There are places that sell roll bar and seat belt kits that will fit your tractor. Still cheaper than a different tractor.
 
You could buy the parts to make an lcg
out of your 2000 very easily. I kind of
made my own that way. I bought the front
spindles from an lcg and put them on.
They were a direct, bolt on replacement.
They drop the front end about 4".
14" car tires on implement rims dropped
it another couple of inches. I run
12.4x28 rears on it instead of the
correct 13.6x28s. They drop the rear end
a couple of inches.
Don't forget about ballast.
Wheel weights and/or fluid make a much
more stable tractor.
With lcg spindles, your wheels set way
out, ballast on/in your tires your 2000
would stick to a side hill like a spider
on the wall.

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Bingo, Coshoo. No 10' rough cut mower, with the pictured tractor, or any 60 HP tractor in most conditions. Too big and too heavy, especially if mounted.

OP should use a 6' or, perhaps, a very light 7' if conditions are good.

Dean
 
LCG tractors do make good mowing tractors, especially on steep ground but I've never seen a LCG tractor big enough to handle a 10' rough cut mower.

Like you, I would also want live PTO, a ROPS, PS, and 50+ HP but stick with a 6' rotary cutter.

A few years ago I spent a couple of years looking for a decent 4000SU or LCG for mowing duties on sometimes steep ground before giving up.

Dean
 
I second what svcummins suggested.... power steering! My "do everything " tractor does not have power steering (or ROPS), I regret not looking for power steering as an option.
 

That's not a 531, it doesn't have inboard wet disc brakes, it may be a 530A which has the same drum brakes as the 2110/4110.
Not sure what part of Eastern Ky your in but you do have some steep hills "mountains" in that area, I used to deliver to coal mines and petroleum companies back in the 90's.

I understand why you want a LCG tractor but they have a lot of draw backs, they set so low to the ground they will easily get stuck, the wide tires will spin or slid on wet grass more than the narrower ag tires, I've seen a number of oil pans crushed on those tractors from hitting stumps or large rocks, crushing the left side of the oil pans sump will break the oil pump off.

I'd look for something like a 4000SU, 4600SU or even newer, their 28" tires keep them at the same height as your 2000. Then spread out the wheels and front axle as wide as you can get them, that will make it as stable as a LCG model or more.

I can't say enough about how much better the wet disc brakes are over the drum brakes you presently have, and on those hills brakes are really important.
If you wanted to step up to something like a low profile 4630 4x4 you could easily handle one of the lighter weight 12 foot batwing mowers, on a 2 wd tractor it would push you over a hill pretty bad, not a good thing.
ROPS can be added to about any tractor.
 
I have a parts 4110 LCG that I believe still has the LCG parts. Dual 8.3x24s on rear and stubby spindles on front. Would sell a package deal to convert yours. $400 Located in N.E. MS.
 
Skoal, looks like you could use some lime on that field;-) to get rid of the sedge grass. FWIW, I have mowed much steeper ground ACROSS the slope for years in KY but I always used a low-sitting MF with all four wheels as wide as they go. You have been given several options so good luck with whatever YOU decide is best for you. BTW, I don't know if you remember when ALL state roads in KY were mowed with those LCG Fords, they did a pretty decent job.
 

Thank you guys very much! How hard is it to find a SU tractor? What is the difference? Can I just buy wheels and tires or the gearing difference to bad?

My 2000 does not have power steering so I hate to widened it all the way out. I have to buy power steering, all new wheels and tires. Mine has the 13" or 12 something tires. Does not have live power.

To me it seems better to just find another tractor. My buddy wants mine for 2100.00
 
(quoted from post at 18:10:57 12/13/19) Skoal, looks like you could use some lime on that field;-) to get rid of the sedge grass. FWIW, I have mowed much steeper ground ACROSS the slope for years in KY but I always used a low-sitting MF with all four wheels as wide as they go. You have been given several options so good luck with whatever YOU decide is best for you. BTW, I don't know if you remember when ALL state roads in KY were mowed with those LCG Fords, they did a pretty decent job.
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yes, it could!! Lol we call it broom sage.

Had soil sampling done today.
 

Found these two today.4500 for one and 3200 for the other. Can not tell what the 2nd one is. It does not have a roll bar on it. The other is a 530a
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Actually the diamond tread tires work better on
steep hills than the tractor type tread does . Look at
any of the hillside combines they run diamond tread
tires .
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What size mower could I run with a 4610 lcg? Found one reasonably priced. Independent pto, wet breaks, power steering. Tractor data says 63hp but 38 pto hp. Regular 4610 is 52.5 pto hp. Must be an error I guess? Tractor weighs I think 4800 pounds.

Thanks again everyone.
 
like to run a 8ft woods mower on mine, but it s mostly not that steep. On this tractor, the front end is very light and you have to use the brakes to turn sometimes. You also have to watch out with the pto shaft hitting the deck. I don t have to worry about that on the 6610.
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(quoted from post at 19:37:02 12/12/19) Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and just recently bought a farm last year. I have about 32 to 35 acres to Bush hog. I don't have the money to buy hay equipment or a big tractor as of right now. Tried giving the hay away this year and can't count on anyone.
I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt.
Ive been looking at LCG tractors 231, 531, 2110, and the 4110. I want one with around 60hp maybe put a 10' Bush hog behind it? Or possibly make a belly mower set up? My cousin says he can get me a ford 531 with a sticker bar mower and a worn out bush hog for 5k. Sounds high to me. Think it's 8' wide with big turf tires. I live in eastern ky and we do have some steep ground at times. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
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I do custom brush hogging/field mowing and get on some pretty steep mountain sides. My Allis 175D and 8' Bush Hog cutter is a well balanced setup. Tractor is 100" wide at the rear tires. The way the mower is set up it picks up the grass the tires mash down and leaves a clean cut.
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(quoted from post at 19:37:02 12/12/19) Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and just recently bought a farm last year. I have about 32 to 35 acres to Bush hog. I don't have the money to buy hay equipment or a big tractor as of right now. Tried giving the hay away this year and can't count on anyone.
I have a small ford 2000 gas tractor, no power steering or live power. It's been kinda dangerous Bush hogging with it. No ROPS or seat belt.
Ive been looking at LCG tractors 231, 531, 2110, and the 4110. I want one with around 60hp maybe put a 10' Bush hog behind it? Or possibly make a belly mower set up? My cousin says he can get me a ford 531 with a sticker bar mower and a worn out bush hog for 5k. Sounds high to me. Think it's 8' wide with big turf tires. I live in eastern ky and we do have some steep ground at times. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
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I do custom brush hogging/field mowing and get on some pretty steep mountain sides. My Allis 175D and 8' Bush Hog cutter is a well balanced setup. Tractor is 100" wide at the rear tires. The way the mower is set up it picks up the grass the tires mash down and leaves a clean cut.
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Dang that rotary cutter looks heavy to be a carry type? I'm a newby so I dont really know. Looks like a nice setup though! Especially if you are mowing mountain sides, must work out really good.
 
(quoted from post at 08:19:08 12/14/19) What size mower could I run with a 4610 lcg? Found one reasonably priced. Independent pto, wet breaks, power steering. Tractor data says 63hp but 38 pto hp. Regular 4610 is 52.5 pto hp. Must be an error I guess? Tractor weighs I think 4800 pounds.

Thanks again everyone.
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It has the same 52 hp as the ag model, for 3 point hitch a 6 footer is enough, with enough front weight you could run a 7 ft.
Draw bar hitch I'd look at one of these.

12 ft batwing, this Land Pride has around 800 lbs drawbar weight and total weight of 2500 lbs.
Neighbor pulls a Rhino model with his 55hp Ford 4630 with no issues.


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Sweet! I'm glad that was a typo on the pto hp. Yes, I'm wanting a pull type rotary cutter. Looked at a bushhog 3210 10'6" cut weighs 2700 lbs it says. I definitely want something wider than the 8' my rear tires set at. Would a pull type rotary cutter be very difficult to set up with the low ground clearance of this 4610 LCG? I've never used a pull type and would I need a set of remotes to raise and lower it? And how do you adjust the ride height of the front of the rotary cutter where it attaches at the draw bar? I'm not set on bushhog brand, but I definitely want something heavy duty that will last with stump jumper.
 

Drawbar type mower height is controlled by removable stops on the hydraulic cylinder along with adjustable linkage for the tongue.
For any drawbar hitch mower you'll need hydraulic remotes on the tractor, for a batwing mower it needs dual remotes.

I'm going to try to discourage you from the LCG models with some information.

LCG models get their stability by lowering the centerline of the tractor and making it wider, although they use different spindles on the front the rear axle height is determined by the height of the tire, of which only half of the tires height is added to the tractors overall height.
4610LCG tire height = 44.8", axle centerline = 22.4", drawbar height 10.2"
4610SU tire height = 53.8", axle centerline = 26.4", drawbar height = 14.7"
4610AP tire height = 58.5", axle centerline = 29.25", drawbar height = 17"
These numbers show that although the standard 4610 appears to be much taller than the LCG model it is in fact less than 7" taller at the axles centerline.
The rear tires on the AP model can be set to a wider stance than the LCG and will hold an additional 200 lbs of liquid ballast in each tire proving additional stability and traction.

I feel the low drawbar height of the LCG will severely limit the tractors overall usability. The low ground clearance will allow the tractor to easily become high centered and stuck on stumps, large rocks or in tire ruts, also any 3 point implement you hook to will be 7" closer to the ground at full lift height which could allow the implement to belly out on the ground went crossing a ditch or rut in the field.

Additionally those small 18.4-16.1 LCG tires cost around $200 more each than 16.9-30 ag tires and nearly twice as much as a SU models 14.9-28 tires.

After researching this info I now think your best option would be a standard AP (all purpose) model with ROPS, the tires and front axle spread as wide as possible and the tires loaded with liquid ballast.
 
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I think this is an SU model? I bought it yesterday. Its does set low, but I'm just gonna keep my pastures mowed down with it. And I feel alot better with it than I thought I would. Already looking at different rear ag tires American Farmer, Goodyear, and Firestone 18.4-16.1. Can I load these rear tires? And do these type tires on the rear need tubes? Thank you guys so much.
 
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Front bumper is bent. Has new OEM style battery and new OEM alternator new pto shaft bearing and seal.

I'm looking for a suitcase bracket for the front with weights. If anyone has any let me know. Northeastern Ky.
 
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(quoted from post at 08:19:08 12/14/19) What size mower could I run with a 4610 lcg? Found one reasonably priced. Independent pto, wet breaks, power steering. Tractor data says 63hp but 38 pto hp. Regular 4610 is 52.5 pto hp. Must be an error I guess? Tractor weighs I think 4800 pounds.

Thanks again everyone.
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It has the same 52 hp as the ag model, for 3 point hitch a 6 footer is enough, with enough front weight you could run a 7 ft.
Draw bar hitch I'd look at one of these.

12 ft batwing, this Land Pride has around 800 lbs drawbar weight and total weight of 2500 lbs.
Neighbor pulls a Rhino model with his 55hp Ford 4630 with no issues.


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Is your neighbor using a 2wd 4630? If so does he pull hills with that 12' batwing ? Thank you again.
 

It's a 2wd AP model, he doesn't get on the speed hills with it like I do but I think his 12 ft batwing is lighter than my 10 ft fixed deck.
I have a 15 ft batwing I pull with my 6610 but it'll shove me over a hill if it's real steep.
With my 4000 and 10 ft fixed deck I travel up and down the hills at a 45 degree angle, it'll pull going straight up the hills but will slid going down, hills to steep to go across.
 
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It's a 2wd AP model, he doesn't get on the speed hills with it like I do but I think his 12 ft batwing is lighter than my 10 ft fixed deck.
I have a 15 ft batwing I pull with my 6610 but it'll shove me over a hill if it's real steep.
With my 4000 and 10 ft fixed deck I travel up and down the hills at a 45 degree angle, it'll pull going straight up the hills but will slid going down, hills to steep to go across.
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I just talked to a friend of mine that used to cut the hay and bush hog my farm every fall. He has the pull type 3210 bush hog. He pulls it with a NH 4630 4x4. He told me that tractor (4610 2wd ) was too small for that heavy bush hog? Its 800lbs tounge weight and 2800lbs. Said it would push me all over the place and wheelie alot. Dont know if I should have just listened to you to begin with. I just felt more comfortable with that low tractor to mow with alone. I need advice on what to do as far as a rotary cutter now. I wanted something heavy duty and at least 10' wide, but I'm only mowing pastures with it. Maybe I should look at more lighter duty but larger pull type mowers? I done bought the 4610 tractor.
 

Bushing 3210 is one heavy son of a gun, neighbor has one that I pulled behind my 4000 once while I was rebuilding a gear box on my 10 ft Howse, never borrowed it again.
It's a heck of a brush cutter behind a good sized tractor but over kill for clipping pastures.
Look at some of the 8 ft pull type cutters built by the more popular brands, Rhino, Land Pride, Woods, you can find a decent pasture clipper in the 15-1700 lb range that your tractor will handle.
Personally I like the Land Pride RCR2596 and Woods DS8.30 better than the Rhino SE8, don't like the tail wheel design on the SE8.
Whatever you get I'd get the optional aircraft style tires and chain guard kit.
They make these models of mowers in 10 ft but that adds 3-400 lbs to the weight which could put you at the upper limit of safety for that tractor.
 
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Bushing 3210 is one heavy son of a gun, neighbor has one that I pulled behind my 4000 once while I was rebuilding a gear box on my 10 ft Howse, never borrowed it again.
It's a heck of a brush cutter behind a good sized tractor but over kill for clipping pastures.
Look at some of the 8 ft pull type cutters built by the more popular brands, Rhino, Land Pride, Woods, you can find a decent pasture clipper in the 15-1700 lb range that your tractor will handle.
Personally I like the Land Pride RCR2596 and Woods DS8.30 better than the Rhino SE8, don't like the tail wheel design on the SE8.
Whatever you get I'd get the optional aircraft style tires and chain guard kit.
They make these models of mowers in 10 ft but that adds 3-400 lbs to the weight which could put you at the upper limit of safety for that tractor.
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I've been looking at these thank you! Also ran across Titan cutters. 1810 and the 1808 pull type. Looks like the titan 1808P is 1575lbs and 10 gauge deck. Has a max 3" cutting capacity. These any good? I also like the woods ds8.30.
 

HP wise the 4000 and newer 4600/4610/531 etc series can power an 8 foot cutter all day long as I have 3 of them currently. Keeping the tail wheels adjusted so that they too are on the ground when mowing and carrying weight on the hill side will help keep the tail from wagging the dog.

An lcg may need weight up front over an all purpose model, otherwise you will be fine. Never pick up the shredder on a hillside, and if you start to slide you usually need to fully drop the shedder on the to ground. ROPS only works with a seatbelt. Best of luck with your new tractor.
 

Thinking more about this last night... lcg tractors..

cons... light on the front end and not hd front end for carrying loader.
Pros.... very maneuverable in tight spaces, powerful, and stable on hillsides, best driver feedback.

Best loader tractor I ever had was a 3000 w 730 loader. I could literally pick up cardboard/rock off the ground and not gouge the grass. I could grade dirt into the road, out of the road, create banks, remove banks, you name it. As the loader tractors got bigger, all the feedback was gone as well as visibility. The 4000 lcg was just that much better than the 3000. Load the rear tires, ad pie weights, and life was very good indeed.
 

That's a nice tractor, which transmission does it have?
Spread the wheels out a little wider for better hillside stability and it'll do be a good tractor for your needs.
 
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That's a nice tractor, which transmission does it have?
Spread the wheels out a little wider for better hillside stability and it'll do be a good tractor for your needs.
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Thank you. It's a dual range 8 speed.
 
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