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Would you buy a Tesla made in China?

He wants to invest in china, but wants U.S. dollars and sales.
Maybe he should move to china and live there if he likes it so much
 
I don't think we need to worry about buying a Tesla from China. The cars made in China are for the Asian market, from what I read.
Heck, I am driving a KIA from Korea and a Dodge Ram from Mexico. My scooter is Chinese made and my Harley is assembled in the US with parts from all over.
 
I believe all of Tesla's Chinese production is targeted for China. US Teslas are built in California, at the former NUUMI plant that was co-owned by GM and Toyota.

On the other hand, GM is currently importing some models, such as the Buick Envision, from China. So, George, would you buy a BUICK from China?
 
Mark,
Would I buy a Buick made in China?

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Not after buying this car in April 2018.
It rides like a Cadillac.
George
 
George, for what it's worth, the Cadillac XT5 is also produced in China, althought (currently) only for the Chinese market. American XT5 are built in Spring Hill, TN. Would you buy a Chinese Cadillac?
 
Mark,
Many thing are made in China?
Dewalt sells tools that say on the box USA.
Read the fine print. Imported parts, assembled in USA.

Cars are no exceptions. Parts are imported from all over the world.
Question should be, would I buy another Cadillac that is supported and serviced by my local dealer? Yes. There might be better cars on the market. I refuse to drive 75 miles to get them service.
No more Buicks. Love the comfort of the XT5. Perfect for me. I gave up on flying. I love to Cruse. Point the car in the direction I'm heading and punch the cruse.
Mark,
 
Everybody is freaked out about Chinese built cars on American roadways. Guess what? If you own a GM product built in the last 10-12 years, you own a vehicle with mostly Chinese, and other foreign, content. Almost all the OE GM parts I buy at my shop say made in China on the box. I frequently have to send OE stuff back defective until I get one that works.
 
NO I wouldn't buy one regardless where made.

Thank you and have a nice day

God Bless America keep her great safe and strong

John T
 
George, to be that happy with a late model Cadillac, you must be lucky and the CUE system hasn't laid an egg yet. Not a matter of if, just when. The last I knew, the GM CUE system ranks last on luxury car infotainment satisfaction and reliability. Yours must not be burning oil yet, either. And the transmission still works.

When we were looking for a new car, we bought a Toyota Sienna. Sold and serviced by the local dealer, and even built in Indiana with 75% US content. Only problem we had was a lift gate wiring harness that came unplugged. GM has totally abandoned the family vehicle market. They only make vehicles for childless hipsters and retirees. Those are the only two demographics that can afford GM "family" vehicles.
 
My current car, 2012 Lincoln is a downgrade from my old town car and do not want any new car, regardless of what nation it is built. I only have a few years more to drive. I do not want any innovative car. You asked-I said
 
I might add that I think the electric vehicle dream will be the end of, at the very least, General Motors. Tesla can do anything they want, because they don't have to be profitable yet. GM is chasing the electric car dream, but they are beholden to their shareholders who expect a return. GM will have to use cash reserves to develop, engineer, and build an electric fleet. Then that vehicle will have to be an absolute hit on the market. If GM blunders anywhere in that process, they will go down with a battery tied to their feet. GM's current track record with market hits, and hitting a projected price point, doesn't give me hope. Anybody remember when the Volt was said to be a sub $25K vehicle? Sometimes I wonder if Billy Durant's ghost is still at the helmet of GM. Really good ideas, with really poor execution.
 
I do not give a darn about where one is made I do not want a electric car might be fine in a city, but for those who think they are green you are fooling yourself, I was buying motorcycles and snowmobiles made over in that region starting the 60's I also have a Honda car we ran for years
 
John,
I'm keeping my 20 year old computer safe. It's not connected to the internet.
God bless.
Have fun with your discovere American trips.
I'm looking forward to taking a cruise. Use car and cruise to Leesburg, Fl and catch and eat some crappie.
George
 
No, I have no need for one even if it was free. What so many "save the world" people often forget is that the electricity had to be produced somehow, be it nuclear, coal or at natural gas powered plants. Bill
 
GM has add more cadillac models for families.
This car is perfect for retired people.
Great mpg, comfortable.
I have no need for a third row of seats. The BOSS uses my old 2005 Buick, grocery getter.

Still a good car for short drives.
George
 
Damn electric cars sneak up on ya in parking lots. They need cow bells on them. Couldn't give me a prius, tesla, leaf, volt... for free.

Don't forget the cost of the charging station ya need. At my office they put in 4 charging stations. The landlord said it cost him near to $20k by the time all was said and done and they were operating.
 
I don't think there is any danger of Tesla putting GM out of business. You give Musk much more credit than he deserves. GM is their own worst enemy.

While Tesla does not "have to be profitable" at this point, the whole thing is a big Ponzi scheme. Musk is taking huge deposits and prepayments for cars that are not yet even on the build schedule to finance the production of cars that were long paid for. Sooner or later, this will come home to roost.
Somehow, when Tesla fails, I don't expect a government bailout to be forthcoming.

Bear in mind that Preston Tucker was very nearly jailed for less than Elon Musk is doing today.
 
when California had the wild fires last year and the power was out the tesla owners had to run out and buy generators to charge up there cars ,talk about pollution
 
We have a charging station. At the Wal Mart in Huntsville.It collects more trash and dirt. Than it charges cars.According to the man that has to clean it.
 
To keep things in perspective here, keep in mind that the gold standard of self propelled vehicles is still the internal combustion engine.

So, three Teslas passed you doing over 80? So what? My 20 year old Explorer with over 300,000 miles could also pass you doing over 80 should I so choose. Just being able to go fast on a highway doesn't mean much to me. How FAR can it go that fast? That one will be stopping for a 2 hour partial recharge (if he can find one) while I am still headed down the highway doing over 80.

Want to have a coast to coast race between a Tesla and your choice of cars with conventional internal combustion engines? I'll bet the conventional car will beat the Tesla by over a day. Longer in cold or hot weather that would require the use of heater or air conditioner.

How about cost? As I understand it, the Tesla starts out at about $80,000 plus options, taxes, and whatever else they tack onto the price of a car today. How does that compare to the average family sedan that costs less tan half of that? How long do you have to drive that Tesla to come out even between initial cost and fuel cost over the life of the vehicle?

Then there is that whole "green" thing. That has to be the biggest scam that ever came down the road. Use electricity instead of gasoline. So, you move the pollution from your tailpipe to the power plant down the road. How about the difference in cost and environmental impact of the production of electric vehicles? I've heard that those lithium batteries are not exactly easy on the environment. From the lithium mines to the hazardous waste disposal from manufacturing byproducts.

Not for me, thank you.
 
As my wife and I drove from Michigan to Florida a week ago, I saw a number of Teslas on I-75. Most had out-of-state plates. The one furthest from home had Ontario plates and I spotted it in Tennessee. That leads me to believe a lot of folks are making cross-country trips in their Teslas. I suppose they plan their stops around the locations of Tesla charging stations.
 
If we knew exactly where all the parts were made on what we all drive I bet we would be surprised.
 
They do in this part of Texas. If they want to stay on the road. I believe we have only two places left. Where theu can charge up while shopping.
 
(quoted from post at 06:34:11 01/08/20) Everybody is freaked out about Chinese built cars on American roadways. Guess what? If you own a GM product built in the last 10-12 years, you own a vehicle with mostly Chinese, and other foreign, content. Almost all the OE GM parts I buy at my shop say made in China on the box. I frequently have to send OE stuff back defective until I get one that works.
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have noticed that. I think of this countrys empire build on sand. It is big but there isn't much sturdy rock or concrete at the core.
 
I like my big bad 2014 Battle Cruiser. Barely fits in the dam parking space. :) Grin!!! Most of the time it runs in the 17+ range.
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(quoted from post at 07:23:57 01/08/20) The last 3 trips to Indy I was passed on I70 by by a Tesla doing over 80.
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And? I can get out on the interstate with our SUV set the cruise at 85 and run till it's low on gas, stop GAS up, check the oil and be back on the road doing 85 in less than 20 minutes. Rinse and repeat till I either fall asleep behind the wheel or arrive at my destination. Do that and get a 100% charge on that Tesla :roll: :lol: at each stop! :lol:

No I wouldn't buy a Tesla made in China, heck I wouldn't buy a Tesla made ANYWHERE!

Electric vehicle design and sales in the US are being forced by the CART rules. The market is so small that if they did away with CART I'm willing to be that everyone except Tesla would drop electric cars. And as of right now the Tesla semi truck is "under development".

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:46:00 01/08/20)

Then there is that whole "green" thing. That has to be the biggest scam that ever came down the road. Use electricity instead of gasoline. So, you move the pollution from your tailpipe to the power plant down the road. How about the difference in cost and environmental impact of the production of electric vehicles? I've heard that those lithium batteries are not exactly easy on the environment. From the lithium mines to the hazardous waste disposal from manufacturing byproducts.

Not for me, thank you.
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You sir have hit that old nail right on it's head. The environmental damage caused by strip mining lithium alone is devastating.

And "renewable" electricity isn't a solution either. According to the US department of energy at maximum capacity solar and wind can account for about 7.5% of the daily US electricity demands. The other renewable source, hydro, is in danger. Many environmentalist are demanding that the dams be removed and they are being successful. So lets put extra demand on the already overtaxed power grid recharging electric vehicles.

Rick
 
I do my very best every day, to be cognizant to NOT purchase anything made in China!

It's impossible I know .....but I try.....

Canada has a Chines multibillionaires daughter under house arrest.......wanted by the USA....

In retaliation China has arrested Canadians on Trumped up charges.....

Purchase a TESALA made in CHINA....never!

Bob....
 
No. My long answer would have been, if you would like to hear the short answer to your question, the answer is a resounding no, no matter where they're made. The tesla cars built in China are for their market anyhow. I don't think he's going to have much pull there as they already have several electric car manufacturers. I would wholeheartedly help fund his trip to Mars. I'm afraid I don't have a whole lotta money, so the trip might be one way. Oh well. At least he got there & that's what counts, eh?

I would also like to put forth a vote to have the cars renamed to something a little more appropriate. Like Einstein. Leave Tesla out of it as he actually did much for this country, whereas Einstein (translated from Ger. to one stone i.e. slang for idiot) was a fraud, fuzzy haired crackpot & all around jerk. Which, unfortunately is unbeknownst to most of the inhabitants of these United States. If you would like to learn where ol' one stone stole his work from, I recommend reading up on Henri Poincar?.

Mike
 
(quoted from post at 05:26:09 01/08/20) I have no plans to buy a Tesla.

Elon Musk busts a move at Tesla event in Shangha.
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fter reading ALL of the responses to this point I agree with those who try to avoid buying overseas. Can't escape it completely but I try to keep as much of my income local as I reasonably as I can. I would spend money on any new vehicle. I would be open to a diesel generator running an electric motor in my old Ford. Railroads claim they can move a ton 500 miles on a gallon of diesel.
 
Edit above: I WOULD NOT SPEND MONEY ON ANY NEW VEHICLE. Would not be against repowering the old Ford with an electric motor powered by a diesel generator like the freight trains do.


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One for the front tire and one for the back. Actually no one else was in the store and I was out in less than five minutes. If you want to argue with a Ford El Expedition just try it
 
Absolutely I'd buy a Tesla if it was cheaper but I wouldn't import a Chinese market one, just buy a North American built one. I commute 300-600 miles a week, I'd love to be able to plug in at home rather than mess around with gas stations. The brakes last much longer on electric cars, no IC engine and less drivetrain parts to have to fix. Can't wait until electric is more common and I'm done changing oil, clutches, u-joints, transmissions, filler necks, struts, CV joints etc etc all that misc rusty garbage underneath daily driver cars and trucks.
 
China is NOT our friend, I don't care what nnalert says or thinks, he may be fooled but I'm not. Try not to buy ANYTHING made in China. Don't really have a problem with Tesla, but like Tanker says, on trips I'd actually like to keep the engine running while gassing up, drive tank after tank after tank. Like 10 years ago drove from Charleston, SC to Wisconsin in 18 hours, 4 tanks of gas, something around 1100 miles. How many hours would I have had to waste charging batteries in a Tesla? I only spent about 45 minutes buying gas and going to the bathroom driving my Volvo.

Not sure about Musk, glad he has money to spend on going to Mars, not sure he needs any of my money for those projects.
 
What makes you think that there is no running gear under the car???? Get real!

There will still be steering components, suspension, and maybe even U-joints.

I haven't had a good look under one of them, but even electric cars still need a way to get the power from the motors to the wheels. That might include axles, CV joints, and the like. There will most certainly be wheel bearings, brakes, and the necessary hardware that goes with them.

Don't think for a minute that there would be no maintenance or part failures. Regardless of the source of power, any mechanical device is subject to wear and tear, part failures, and periodic maintenance.
 
Railroads can do that. With the newer Gevo & tier 6 units, they may be able to do it better. However, a couple things come to mind. Steel on steel
creates far less rolling resistance than cushy tires on pavement. All that weight on very small resistance points also helps keep things going. Plus
the inertia from all that weight. Fewer stops also helps. They're also running diesel for the most part. On a perfect day, the crew could
technically knock down green signals their entire shift. Please note I said perfect day. There are a whole lot of deciding factors that can shoot
that in the foot. I do insist a lot more freight & people should move by rail. Cost factors are rather limiting though, on many fronts. That & the
big four plus two (Canada) have a stranglehold on this continent that really prevent things, in terms of affordable rail service, from happening.
They're ok in the eyes of most people, as long as they can toot their horn about how good things are going, keep the paint shiny & the
infrastructure polished & keep the antiques & history alive. Which, personally has become a big puppet show. I could go on for a long time about
this, but unfortunately I have a dog that needs to go out & a Christmas tree to take down, etc. It is worth going out & researching the current
status of the railroads on this continent. Provided you have the time. I would start at the deregulation or the railroads in 1980 & work your way up
through time from there. Take notice of the huge changes that happened after 9/11 also. It should shine some light on why the railroads are the way
they are now & how little has actually changed since people were crying about how bad it was back in the 70s.

Mike
 
And when it comes right down to it a horse is still
the lowest maintenance most reliable form of
transportation there Is . Just like an electric car it
might not be the fastest but it will get you there .
And I wouldn?t trade a horse for working cattle for all the money in the world
 
I think all of us are thinking short term for our answers. Think ahead say 200 years, if we could only do that I think we'd be surprised at how man is moving himself or products around on the planet. One thing I could almost guarantee and that's the fact that there won't be any gas/diesel powered V8 internal combustion engines carrying most of the people or freight that are being moved. What might we see doing that? I haven't a clue.
 
Far less of it. If you get a 2wd, one single speed gearbox, one motor pair of cv?s. It?s basically an oversized gear reduction starter motor and delete the rest of the powertrain. If they made a 2wd truck with a single motor on the input pinion of rear axle, even better.
 
DOC: Well, he has befriended some pretty shady political friendships over the past three years, two or three come to mind without mentioning any names. Some say he shines their shoes, not sure if that's true or not.
 
There is a long article in the current Economist magazine about China's economy and what they are best at. Claims they may become the leader in electric car and and self driving technology and their government is more tolerant and encouraging. And ,it's a larger market and Tesla ,VW, GM,Ford,MerBenz,etc are developing research and manufacturing .
 
Lot of things you guys are missing. Like transport of humans via rail. Many of us live in rural areas. The US is just too big to make rail a reality across the country. Look at AMtrack. The only break even line is the DC to Boston corridor. The rest is subsidized. Pretty poor? You bet. The lines across the US are owned by Union Pacific, BNSF, NS and others. Amtrack pays to use them and have a very low priority. So it isn't very good service. In fact if you look at light rail and subway services across the country all operate on subsidies, some as much as 85 cents on the dollar. Yet we keep building/expanding them.

Just like EV's (electric vehicles) total EV's on the US roads today is 1.3 million. They been selling them for about 10 years. Last year 2019 they sold a little over 300,000 in the US. Not a huge seller when new vehicle sales were over 17 million last year. Lot of downside. One you gotta recharge them. That puts more strain on an already over taxed electric grid where more power is produced via fossil fuels than any other source. Coal produces about 30% of that. Real environmentally friendly? Now look at renewable including hydro. Makes up less than 20% if and only if all wind and solar is producing a peak efficiency. NG is about 33% and nuke is about 20%. All others total about 16%, wind, solar, hydro and biomass. So right now? putting more strain on the power grid? Doesn't make sense.

The only new battery technology is Sulfur. And if that works out all it will do is replace Lithium. Same life and performance just cheaper. Right now the replacement cost of a Tesla's battery pack is about 7,000 dollars. Now they are claiming that they will run 300,000 to 500,000 miles but no one can or will prove that. Musk when ask about it won't answer. Most figure every 5 years or 60,000 miles. The solution to cold or hot weather conditions greatly reducing range is "don't run the heater or AC"? Heck when it's -30F how you supposed to see out the windshield?

Rick
 
Most figure every 5 years or 60,000 miles.

Rick
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Most figure? Only people who don't know anything think that the batteries only last 5 years or 60,000 miles!

Most figure? Nobody figures is more like it unless you don't know anything! The batteries have an 8 year warranty (10 years in California)! Tesla would be replacing a lot of batteries for FREE under warranty if they failed after only 5 years! Which you do not hear of them doing, so It ISN'T happening! 60,000 miles is nothing on the batteries either! You have to love all the people who know very little to nothing about electric cars who spew all of the misinformation! Do a little research, You might actually learn something! :roll:
 
How much does it cost to recharge the batteries on an electric car? All the information I read on them never mentions that cost and makes it sound like the electricity
to recharge one is free."Just park it in the garage plug it up and in a couple hours its ready to go again" Well then I guess "Just take your car to a gas station fill it
up and its ready to go again in a couple minutes".
 
(quoted from post at 22:10:33 01/08/20)
Most figure every 5 years or 60,000 miles.

Rick
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Most figure? Only people who don't know anything think that the batteries only last 5 years or 60,000 miles!

Most figure? Nobody figures is more like it unless you don't know anything! The batteries have an 8 year warranty (10 years in California)! Tesla would be replacing a lot of batteries for FREE under warranty if they failed after only 5 years! Which you do not hear of them doing, so It ISN'T happening! 60,000 miles is nothing on the batteries either! You have to love all the people who know very little to nothing about electric cars who spew all of the misinformation! Do a little research, You might actually learn something! :roll:
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And? A warranty means nothing. Ain't very many 5 year Tesla's running around. So of course you don't hear about battery life. Musk hasn't been very honest. 2 years ago he was claiming that a new battery for a Tesla was about 3500 dollars when it was actually over 5,000. So, show me a battery powered car with 60,000 pus miles on it. Keep in mind that the average driver in the US puts on about 12K a year that would make a 60K car 5 years old or older. SO we are looking for actual data from about 70-80 thousand cars sold in the US in 2014 and 2015 combined.

Don't drink the koolaid!


Rick
 
Well, the direction things are headed in, don't discount the possibility. It's all nonsense now of course but 200 years is a long time.
 
So, show me a battery powered car with 60,000 pus miles on it.

Don't drink the koolaid!


Rick
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The warranty doesn't matter? Why not? It seems that it would! You actually think Tesla or other electric vehicle owners wouldn't be talking if Tesla or other vehicle manufacturers weren't replacing the batteries under warranty like they are supposed to? It is not hard at all to find an electric car with 60,000 plus miles on it! Go look on cargurus.com or cars.com for cars for sale! You're quite capable of looking that info up yourself! They are for sale everywhere! There are many Teslas with over 100,000 miles on them on the original battery! A little cheap laptop battery that costs $100.00 will last 5 years, but you actually think that a huge battery that costs thousands of dollars and is liquid cooled and heated will only last 5 years! YEAH, RIGHT! Keep dreaming! If you believe that, then you also believe in the 100 MPG Carburetor too! No Kool-Aid being drank here, Just facts! You are the one drinking the Kool-Aid and spewing the usual BS myths about electric cars! :roll:
 
I'm not interested in a Tesla from China, although I would be interested in one from the US if the price was right, and it fit my mission(they aren't priced right, and don't fit my mission).

Here's the saddest thing I can state about them. Right now, today Tesla stock is worth MORE than GM and Ford combined. Either they have the future mapped out cold, and are going to be a huge car builder in 10 years, or a lot of investors are taking huge and scary risks on Tesla stock. The company has missed plenty of earnings deadlines, and struggles to make a profit, but the stock is hot, hot, hot.

When the CyberTruck is actually in production and being delivered for a profit, that will help. going to be an interesting decade to watch what happens to Tesla and Musk
 
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