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We bought a new Electrolux dishwasher does not clean worth a darn..traded it on a new Bosch neither has cleaned like the old Kenmore/Kitchen aid .Ive had technicians out several times..Its boiled down to "its the way they are"..Anyone have any tricks to remedy this?..
 
None that we?ve found, but I share your grief. We shoulda kept the old roll away Kenmore. The best dishwasher I ever had was my older sister.
 
Are you cleaning out the filter basket after every wash? The super-quiet dishwashers don't have a grinder to handle bits of food, so they rely on the filter catch them. If you don't pre-rinse everything, the filter will get plugged and the dishwasher won't work.
 
I now how you feel. Had a Whirlpool that was 19 years old when it retired. I have always hated General Electric junk but, the sales person talked me into one. What a piece of crap. In two and a half years, I've never had a completely clean load yet. I almost think you could put in a perfectly clean load, run it through the cycle and there would be dirty dishes. Had the service man out and he gave me some suggestions and then told me not to expect this thing to do a good job like the old one did. So much for new and improved!
 
Since neither one of them works properly I would pull the drain fitting and trap and clean. That makes a lot of difference!
 
You might try running water at your kitchen sink until it is hot at the faucet, then fire up the dishwasher. Sometimes hot water at the very start makes a difference. But, having said that, they don't make dishwasher (or any other appliance) like they used to....they have become "throw away items." Disgusting, but real.
 
We put a new bosch in our new home last year. This was a special order model not a stocked item. The quietest one available. Works extremely well, super quiet. The only thing is that it's cycle is nearly 2 hours run time. We usually run it after we go to bed.

It is fed with a tankless water heater.
 

After it is into the main wash open it and check water level. Some fill by timer and the water pressure is inadequate for the length of time allowed. Most fill to a level determined by a float, but the arm underneath that the float contacts could be bent down making the water shut off when the float has risen only slightly. Some control the water level by a pressure switch which could have a diaphragm that is too stiff. Try adding an additional quart of water to see if it makes a difference if not try two.
 
I think with most people wash the dishes before you put them in the dishwasher. Cascade dishwasher detergent company even advertises that. As far as appliances, none of them work as well as they used to. They are probably designed to use a lot less water therefore they don't work as well.
 
That is what my head Dishwasher says if she has to wash the dishes before putting them in 'other' dishwasher she might as well just finish the job herself.My mom has a dishwasher and its does a good job on dishes that barely need washing(LOL)
 
I bought a Maytag. Takes for ever, but dishes are clean. Many dishwasher don't have built in disposers.
Many dishwasher have screens you have to remove food particles.
 
I've got a 6 year old Kenmore (Bosch I think).

It does a good job, runs a long time, does a lot of bumping and popping and whirring. Always has, guess that's what it's supposed to do.

I have a small water heater under the sink, so it gets instant hot water. It gets run every night, so the food doesn't have time to dry on the dishes, and there is space between them for the water to get good circulation. Wife insists on the premium soap, some kind of pods. Says the generic soap doesn't work.

She doesn't pre rinse, and it doesn't seem to cause a problem. But if they are really loaded with food , some pre rinsing might help.

Do you have a dog?
 
We have a 10 year old Whirlpool that does a good job. Just bought a replacement for Mom in February, Whirlpool, updated version of what we have, still has garbage grinder. Was right around $400.00 at Best Buy, $75.00 to install and haul the old one away. Moms very happy with it.
 
Between "high efficiency" water conserving "technology" and other "improvements," dishwashers are just not all that great anymore. Add to that the changes in the detergents used.

When phosphates were removed from laundry detergents, dishwasher detergents were exempted for some time. Notice that clothes did not get as clean as when there were phosphates in the detergent. Along the way, better cleaners were developed for laundry. Then came the removal of phosphates from dishwasher detergents. The newer ones just don't work as well. Adding a little TSP to your detergent might help it to do a better job.
 
Hello plowhand,

Make sure that the water beater is set at least 130* or so.
Some washers have a setting for assisted heat settiig, it heat the water more thd the watef heater

Ghido.,
 
True story - A few years back, my wife told me she wanted a dishwasher. I replied... "WHY should I BUY a dishwasher, when I MARRIED one?"
When I got out of the hospital, we bought one on the way home....
 
Brand new GE in brand new apartment, using hot start setting will not dry dishes and on skilets leaves white spots that wipe off easly when drying them with the towel. And anything halfway large will not fit. Don't remember brand had at the house but someware around 20+ years old and it always did good and you could fit dishes in. I have always ysed same soap that was packaged with this new one.
 

Another hint. If you're using those pods, get rid of them. Water does not get hot enough to completely dissolve them, and your dishes will not get clean.
 
We've had good luck with dishwashers, three so far in 45 years. The first one was a "real" Kitchenaid (made by Hobard and not just a rebadged machine like they are now). It worked great but was super noisy. Forget the one after that but it was noisy too. The last one was a Bosch .... super quiet but it takes forever to go through a wash cycle, someone else mentioned that. It doesn't even have a heat drying element, somehow it stores heat from the water during the wash cycle and uses that heat to dry the dishes somehow. When someone mentioned washing the dishes before putting them in, I think most people just scrape off the mess, does anyone really fully wash them first? You shouldn't need to do that for sure. I think a good quality dishwasher will give you good results, if you buy a $400 one, don't expect very much.
 
We also just bought a new Bosch.

It does a good job, and it's so quiet it has a tiny red light that shines on the floor to show its running.
 
My dishwasher will be 49 years old Friday, and she aint failed me yet.

Seriously, since 01 we have had 3 dishwashers. One broke when my then 7 year old son sat on the door, the second when I tripped over the dog and broke the door, and the one thats in there now. All 3 have been GE, with the latest one being the top of the line like 6 years ago. All 3 cleaned fine. We use the cheapest detergent we can buy, unless Sams has it on sale, and at the most scrub any burnt on or caked on food before it goes in the dishwasher. Cups, plates, etc go right in. They never sit, always run. Out little daily stuff, like cups, or cereal bowls get just a quick rinse when they go in the sink.
 
Reminds me of an unpleasant experience a few years ago. Last one to bed is supposed to turn off the kitchen light and turn on the night light. So I get up in the middle of the night and head for the sink for a drink on my way to the bathroom and the night lights off, something takes my legs out from under me, I stick a hand in the sink to slow my decent and pull the counter top off the wall an inch, ripped the dishwasher screws out of the top and bent the door. Wife left the door open, had a black/blue knot on each shin bone. Couldn't believe it ,what a shock.
 
I was buying commercial detergent at my local Gordon Food Service as it still had the phosphates in it. Worked much better.
 
We bought a Maytag last year August. This is our fourth in thirty years. The Kenmore, Bosch, and Whirlpool just wore out.
I replaced the motor on the Kenmore and pump seals on the others. Last month the Maytag's upper tray's slide broke. I welded it back together.
I do the dishes and clean up after supper. My wife prepares the meals. I know the commercials say I don't need to do it but I scrape and pre rinse all dishes.
I use Cascade Platinum pods. The dishes come out clean and the dishwasher stays clean.
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We've been very happy with our GE. Pretty high-end I think with all stainless steel cabinet/tub. Got a deal at Home Depot. I run the hot water in the sink so it gets hot water fed to it right away when I hit the start button. If anything doesn't get cleaned off, it's just a dry speck you can flick off before you put it away. We rinse some stuff first, but not much.
 
The one commercial I love. The pretty little girl says "My mom washes the dishes before she puts
them in the dish washer. So what does the dish washer do?" (And mom don't look so bad herself) TDF
 
We were told when buying a new dishwasher, that to make them quiet,
they cut down the pressure of the water to the wash arms. I said I don't care
how noisy it is, I want it to clean the dishes!! But they're all
quiet now. Ours is so quiet, we have to look to see if we turned it on!!
But if you don't push all the buttons just right, it won't start.
Wifey in mechanically/electroniclyl/computer inept. (by her own admission).
Sometimes I have to cancel the wash program and start all over.

Someone mentioned phosphate soaps. 50-60 years ago on the farm
we were having trouble with the septic system. Someone finally figured out
it was the phosphate in the clothes soap screwing up the septic tank.
Dad finally had to run a separate drain line from the house to a coolie
about 50-100 yards behind the house, just for the clothes washer.
After that, the septic system worked OK.
It was a dry coolie, so there was nothing polluted, but there was always
a nice green spot on the side there.
 
Probably not your problem, but we never had a dishwasher until 15 years ago. It's a Maytag with the 'grinder'; never knew you could buy a dishwasher without it!. Well, the wife put a jar with a paper label in it and it peeled the label off and clogged the lower spray arm at the ends. Heck of a pain to clean; thank goodness for U-Tube as I couldn't figure out how to get it out for cleaning. You can see where the holes are closed off and a paper clip along with sink sprayer to get the paper out. Took several times to get it ALL out. I THOUGHT the arm would open into halves, but no...
 


Electrosux is swedish and the europeans have been suckered into the green scam to the point that they no longer make applicances that really work. Bosch is similar.

Last time I needed a dishwaher I liked the look of the Bosch and had always heard it was a good, reliable brand. The salesman told me he would be happy to sell it to me, but he would not take it back. I was puzzled and asked why? He said they didn't clean worth a darn and didn't dry well at all and every one he had sold had come back and he was tired of it. YMMV.
 

We had a Kenmore for almost 20 years. It cleaned anything you put in it, no matter what it looked like going in. When it finally gave up a couple years ago we got a Maytag. It is just as good. We never pre-rinse anything. It takes a couple hours to run through its cycle, but it's super quiet. You hardly know it's running. We often will run the water till it's warm, simply because our water heater is at the opposite end of the house.
 
Does the dishwasher have a water pre-heat or does it rely on whatever temperature the whole-house water heater can supply? Water temperature makes a big difference in how well dishwashers work. Running hot water at the kitchen sink before turning on the dishwasher can help bring hot water at the start of the dishwasher's cycle.
 
I've had good luck with Whirlpool dishwashers, so have some relatives. Go a step above the cheapest "builders grade" units to get good performance and value.
 
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Marry a pretty blonde.
 
Ours is a Kenmore about 14 years old. About a year ago it was not cleaning dishes and leaving residue on them, I looked on YouTube and learned how to take it apart, near the pump there is a little rubber flapper that gets gunky and prevents the water from circulating correctly, also cleaned the spray arms, works well now. I also often run the quick rinse cycle just before the wash cycle, this rinses the main crud away, and warms up the dishes and brings the hotter water up from the basement ready for the wash cycle.
 
I will agree with your advice. The commercial machines I work on the first wash is between 130 and 140?. Second is 150-160? and final rinse is a mandatory 180? Fahrenheit. The detergent is straight caustic soda. That is oakite folks. Those plates are sparkling after a two minute trip through the machine. They exit so hot that they are dry as they exit the machine!
 
VAI ..... I'm glad that guy wasn't selling Bosch dishwashers when I was looking, I probably
would have shied away from buying one. The Bosch we have is a fantastic machine, not sure
if it's made in Germany, Sweden, Poland or China. All I know is that my wife would buy
another one in a heartbeat.
 
I did that James. She will wash them by hand than put them in the dishwasher. Go figure!

Hope all is well

Vito
 
Here are three pictures. They moved it over to rebuild the floor under it. Putting new plates down. Has eight of those big drop center casters under it so they could move it around. Big isn't it??!!
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(quoted from post at 16:33:52 12/11/19) VAI ..... I'm glad that guy wasn't selling Bosch dishwashers when I was looking, I probably
would have shied away from buying one. The Bosch we have is a fantastic machine, not sure
if it's made in Germany, Sweden, Poland or China. All I know is that my wife would buy
another one in a heartbeat.
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Bosch has a very good name.
 
My wife likes to use the dishwasher just to sterilize them. The water is straight hot water which she wouldn't be able to stand.
 
A coolie is generally a small ravine type thing.
Anywhere from a few feet across to several yards, or tens of yards, or more across.
Anywhere from a couple feet to 10-15-20 or more feet deep.
Most of the sides are gentle enough to drive down one side and up the other side.
I said MOST, not all!!! In our country, they are mostly dry, no running water, unless
there is a cloudburst of rain or heavy snow runoff.
However, there can be springs of water in some spots.
Or mud holes.
You GOTTA know where all the safe crossings are!!!
 
All is well Vito.

Hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas.

Both boys are probably teens by now and chasing girls?

Good to hear from you.
 
(quoted from post at 19:20:47 12/11/19) Here are three pictures. They moved it over to rebuild the floor under it. Putting new plates down. Has eight of those big drop center casters under it so they could move it around. Big isn't it??!!
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They call them "flight type" I had a few customers that had them. One time I was helping to move a three tank machine for a customer who was doing a major expansion of his kitchen, so that I could get going at resetting the detergent controls. We just slid it on the floor, but it seemed to slide hard. Later on when the plumber went to tie the drains in we found that it was still full of water.
 
When I installed the one at the house I ran a hot water line to it not realizing it had a heater in it. For a few years we used a built in unit as a protable hooking it to sink fauset and always turned the hot on there, Before we had a portable unit and just turned the hot on for it. The only thing running hot to one will do anything is if your water temp is set to low then it will bring it up to what should be. But this one at the apartment I don't think heats the water enough for the job. And it has a spray arm comming up from both baskets that keeps you from putting anythin very big in it and does not dry dishes when finnished. The designer bust have never washed any dishes in his life to design it so stuppidly as you cannot even se a skilet on its side to wash, they lay at an angle that holds waster after cycle is finnished.
 

If it has not been mentioned already . New dishwashers have tiny little heaters to reduce energy useage .
Unless the dishwasher is supplied from one of those 180F under the sink tank heater . That dishwasher is never going to wash dishes .
Running the sink Tap does little good . The water will be a piddling 130F at most . And the water will be cold again the next time the dishwasher needs water for another cycle .
 
(quoted from post at 11:48:16 12/12/19)
If it has not been mentioned already . New dishwashers have tiny little heaters to reduce energy useage .
Unless the dishwasher is supplied from one of those 180F under the sink tank heater . That dishwasher is never going to wash dishes .
Running the sink Tap does little good . The water will be a piddling 130F at most . And the water will be cold again the next time the dishwasher needs water for another cycle .
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B&D, I will point out that you intended to say "next fill" as opposed to "next cycle" since there are multiple fills per cycle. Dishes will dry pretty fast at 125 degrees if one can get the water to the machine that hot. Another very big factor is length of pipe run. I installed a new Boilermate four years ago and put it directly under the dishwasher and the dishes come out HOT. If the machine is any distance and ambient air temp is low, running the water to get it hot again a half hour into the cycle can make a big difference.
 
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