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This years deer.

Blackhole49

Blackhole49

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Location
White Lake MI
I had to move 3 tractors to get the camper out.
The day before I headed north.
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Hunting camp
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My blind

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This years 8 point
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MI. The hat actually qualifies. I wear an orange poncho walking in and out but not in the blind. Here is a picture of my blind with me in it.
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Congrats! I know you said northern Michigan is where you were going. Curious what general area, as I live near Traverse City. So far, I have seen a couple small/not legal bucks and some does. Heavy rain today, staying inside....
 
Decent deer. I would be happy with that one.
I have been in my blind for 5 1/2 days now and have seen exactly Zero deer. The guy I hunt with has seen a few but opted not to pull the trigger.
We'll go up for the last weekend of the season tomorrow about 11.
From here in out if it's brown it's Down.
 
I stay at the Baxter Bridge State Forrest Campground NW of Manton. My cousin (camp photo) lives in Traverse City and comes down and stay's with me. No baiting (I think we are the only 2 not doing it) has really hurt our hunting. I got this deer on the 17th and it was the second deer (small spike) I saw. My cousin only saw one (disappearing tail) in 5 days. I felt VERY fortunate to see something legal to shoot.
 
I wish we could do that. In this area it has to have 3 or more points on one side to be legal. Not only do you have to see it, you have to see it long enough and clear enough to count the points, then make a good shot.
 

That's a cool set up with the camper in the woods and the blind.
Could you answer some questions for someone who's only hunted on family land?

When did you build your blind? Earlier this fall or when you got there this week? Are there other hunters in the woods with you? Is there an etiquette regarding how close you put your blinds and who hunts where, etc? I'm just curious having never dealt with unknown hunters or hunted on public lands.
 
I am familiar with that campground. In my former life, I worked for the DNR and we administered state forest campgrounds, although I didn't work Wexford County so didn't do regular visits to Baxter Bridge.
 
Rainy and getting colder down state, I can handle cold just waiting for the rain to stop, so I got a few minutes.

Blackhole49, the hunter's orange garment must be the outer most layer, not tucked under a hoodie or poncho . Around here that would definitely catch the CO's attention. Just saying.

Neighbor next to me got a little 4pt. it was dinky. None of my guys would have shot it. It had four points not because it was two years old as he seemed to think, but because it was a late fawn last year and had plenty of forage and minerals to grow a bigger than normal (points wise) rack this year. There are a couple of them around the place this year. Oh and my yard deer are just barely in sight eating drops under the apple tree as I write.

Congrats on getting a nice buck! Enjoy the eating, how much do you put up as steaks and what other goodies?

Now here's my main upset with your post: you post on a tractor forum and in your first sentence you mention 3 tractors...3 TRACTORS! and yet you didn't think fit too mention what they are!!! For shame -I'm going to figure it was an honest mistake owing to your being all excited still.

JD
 
Around where we hunt, nobody wears orange in the blind because you can't see them with or without it. As stated, I wear it when outside the blind except for pictures. Never heard of anybody harassed by the DNR for that, but that's not to say it hasn't happened. When an officer walked up to me 15 years ago, he wanted to see my license and what I had that was orange but never told me to put it on while sitting.
 
In Missouri it is the law that you wear orange WHILE YOUR OUT HUNTING PERIOD! That means in or out of a blind you wear it no matter what or if caught it is a ticket
 
There has been a blind beneath this double tree for 40 years that I know of. I have been hunting it for 35 years and added the roof 25 years ago. It is on state land and is technically illegal because of the roof material and the fact that it stays up year round. there are 5 other similar blinds within a 1/2 mile radius of me that I know of (one actually has a wood stove in it) and they are all 20+ years of age. Etiquette is pretty good and only twice have I had someone very close to me. Once in my blind (I sat on a bucket outside the blind until he left) and once in a climber 50 yards behind me (he packed up at the end of his morning hunt). I have a policy of not arguing with someone carrying a high powered rifle. Most people don't want to hunt close to someone else. I usually go up sometime in Oct. to brush out mine and my cousins blind.
 
You wouldn't if had the legal orange on Jimmydog and Old are talking about. I am sitting in the center in a high back swivel,rocking desk chair. My head is the only thing visible above the brush and you need a flashlight to see me during the day.
 
Missouri they use common sense. They figure if you wear it at all times your out hunting a person will not get up and leave it in the blind which many have done all over the U.S. and have gotten shot. I know this stuff because I was a hunter safety instructor and common sense say you put it on and leave it on till your back out of the field PERIOD
 
By the way in your last picture you do have an orange cap on but not a vest and that is illegal here in Missouri and also stupid and could get you shot by a hunter that saw the deer your holding but not your cap and by the way that is a $500 fine and lost of hunting for 5 years or more
 
Mo used to only require an orange cap but things change. Just remember that deer are color blind,they only see in black and white.
 
Also in MO. a blind on conservation land shell be marked with hunter orange on all side or it is a ticket. On private land it s a suggestion that a blind be marked with hunter orange so other hunter can see that blind and not shoot into at close to a blind. Either way having things mark and your body stand out with hunter orange is common sense and for a persons safety. Gun safety does not give second chances and all guns are loaded at all times and one only points a gun at something they want to shoot
 
They may only see in black and white, but they have much better eyesight than you or I. Take a black and whit picture of someone in orange along side someone dressed the same in brown and tell me you can't see a difference.
 
You may have been a "hunter safety" instructor, but common sense say's you don't start a tractor standing on the ground, yet you preach it is safe because YOU DO IT! Peace, out.
 
Just hard for me to think about having to HUNT a deer. Staying a week and not seeing one. They are so thick here in Tennessee one cannot go to town without seeing one hit on the side of the road. Here is a couple of young bucks here in the front yard.

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the orange clothing laws don't mean squat!!--I got shot in the back by a moron who thought i was a deer even with all the required orange!!! you can't fix stupid!!!
 
(quoted from post at 12:23:07 11/21/19) There has been a blind beneath this double tree for 40 years that I know of. I have been hunting it for 35 years and added the roof 25 years ago. .....
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Thanks, helpful and interesting.
 
He could care less what the laws are in MO. And me too. Why bring it into the conversation. It's not relevant.
 
Yes that is true and there are a lot for those who shoot because they see something move. And no you cannot fix stupid all you can do it try to make sure stupid does not get you so having orange on helps it does not stop all shootings
 
So how is it you get that idea just goes to show you you do not read well. EVERY target I shoot at it the target that I want to shoot. AS I said ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED and YOU ONLY SHOOT AT WHAT YOUR 1000% SURE YOU WANT IT SHOOT. One never points a gun at something till 1000% sure it is a good target and not something you do not want to shoot. I have NEVER taken a mistake shoot and never will I am also sure of my target even if I do miss.
 
Well when one is trouble shooting a tractor many times you have to try to start it standing beside it. But again you only read what you want to read and I tell people to be 1000% sure it is out of gear. But yes in most of the time I do start my tractors while standing beside them but again I am 1000% sure there out of gear and as for how one starts a tractor it is not common sense it is a practice thing and many times needed to fix a problem. I have never been run over by a tractor starting it standing beside it because I always use common sense in doing so.
 
Congratulations, that is a very nice buck, with all the talk about Hunter orange I thought I would add the rule it's on page 17 of the Michigan Hunting Digest, I don't know how to add a link so I took a screen shot,
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Well if you ever want to go deer hunting I have open stands your welcome to sit in. And all my stands are set up for safety and even when some are only maybe 100-150 yards from each other you can see the other guy and the only way you could shoot each other is if you took aim at each other. Or in other word the angle you would be shooting at a deer even next to the other stand is so great you could not even come close to hitting the other guy. Some of my stands have been in the same place for 25 plus years. Most of my stands I built my self and some are big enough for 2 people
 
Read the law for your state that another guy posted your in violation of your state laws. He posted the LAW. I know I sure would not let you hunt on my land because you do not do as the hunter safety laws say you should
 
Don?t quite know how many states are represented in this conversation but I think most require orange to be visible in both caps and vests and must be visible. Most hunters I see in AZ and CO abide. Camo sounds like like a good way to take a hit. My .02.
 
I learned a long time ago it is better to be safe instead of sorry so hunter orange hat and vest is the only way to go out and even walking around the farm this time of year have it on just in case. But I am also one who preaches safety all the time. Be it lifting a sickle mower or depending on a PTO safety shield to work etc. Learned years ago the only safety that works and doe so as long as one uses it is your brain
 
Anyways......a picture of my deer...














Problem is my grand daughter did hunter safety this summer. SIL drives over the road. So it fell to me to take her hunting. Opening day, saw a nice doe about 7AM in heavy brush. No chance for a good shot. about 7:30 young buck walks out of the woods. About 10 yards away. Grand daughter took forever getting on the scope (set at 1.5). Then she missed. The following day we had one deer run through and neither of us could get our guns up. I had her out M/T/W after school. SIL was home and took her out T&F. last 2 days I had her out. Didn't see anymore deer. I almost shot that buck but waited to let her have a chance. She's wound up and ready to go next year.....to me that's more important than me getting a deer.

Rick
 
Same in my area to shoot just any deer,but to try to kill a nice big buck like I want I have to work at hunting them.I get plenty of deer meat from friends that hunt that don't eat deer or none of their family will,so they drop them off.I've killed one nice 8 pointer and there is a either 10 or 12 pointer I'm trying to get, see at least 10 or 12 does and smaller bucks about
every time I go out.One old doe comes up to the house to eat with the ducks and geese when we throw shelled corn out to them.
 
(quoted from post at 23:03:10 11/21/19) Read the law for your state that another guy posted your in violation of your state laws. He posted the LAW. I know I sure would not let you hunt on my land because you do not do as the hunter safety laws say you should
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First off I don't have a horse in the race and it doesn't matter to me either way what he wears as I don't hunt in Michigan. But if you slow down and read what the guy posted it says hat, vest, coat, etc. The main word you are missing is in the the same sentence it says OR not AND, meaning that as long as you have 1 of them on you are following the law which would make his picture legal. And it says in the blind he does not have wear any.

As for where I live in Pa it states you must wear 250 square inches on the head chest and back at all times when rifle deer hunting.
 
Show us where in the Missouri regulations it says that. Talked to a friend of mine in your state and he tells me he cannot find a reference to that. So isn't Missouri the 'Show me state"?
 
It is on the fall deer hunter guide that is printed every year. Hat and vest required for firearm deer season. Missouri puts out that booklet every year so people can be up on the law but many do not take the time to read it so they stay ignorant so guess your friend is one who does not pick up the booklet so he does not know the laws
 
Talking about $500.00 fine and loss of hunting rights for five years. Also friend is LEO. Maybe you just know more than him.
 
(quoted from post at 15:29:35 11/22/19) Show us where in the Missouri regulations it says that. Talked to a friend of mine in your state and he tells me he cannot find a reference to that. So isn't Missouri the 'Show me state"?
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I don't have a dog in this fight BUT does the following photo prove to you what old stated about the state of Missouri hunter wearing orange on hat AND shirt,vest or coat is correct? Arlen I guess you or your friend never attempted "Googling" something have you?

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I k now about that fine and loss of hunting due to a guy I knew who got that for doing what he did. As for Law enforcement officers knowing the hunting law well again most don't have a clue about hunting regs. Had a case where I got a call abut a road kill deer and the Hwy Patrol told the guy who was bring me the deer every thing was fine and dandy but I knew better and call conservation and told them what had happened and what H.P. said and they said it was good I called because what H.P. had told them was wrong and if I had not called could have gotten a few people in trouble. So I have learned when it comes to hunting the people you talk to is conservation because the cop do not have a clue about hunting laws
 
According to your regulations, they give you points for game violations and when you reach 16 is where you can get jail time, and or fine and suspension of hunting rights for up to 1 year. By and by, he is a game officer. Here in my state the state troopers are also game enforcement officers. Trust me when I say they know the laws here, they do and will follow them to the letter if they need to. Keith can back me up on this one.
 
Here in Missouri the H.P. do not have a clue as the hunting regulation and have nothing to do with those laws which also get me and another person in trouble when and H.P. officer said this was ok and I called conservation and they said what the heck he told you wrong and it is good you called and me or the other person was caught with the deer it would have cost us big time. I did by the way report that officer for going out of his jurisdiction to both the H.P. and conservation.
 
Better reread the regulations again and show us where it states that you must wear orange even in your blind. Spent an hour on the phone with what you call DNR or to us common folk, Fish and wildlife. You might want to refresh you memory on your states laws before you steer someone down the wrong path. All of your blinds have orange on them so they can be seen from all sides?
 
DNR is not conservation and the laws DNR enforce have little or nothing to do with conservationist law. At this point i will ask you to never answer a post since you try to have a clue but do not have one. Missouri has stand alone dept. DNA dept of natural resossits has it own laws and conservation has its own laws and the 2 depts have nothing to do with each others
 
(quoted from post at 20:05:35 11/22/19) Jim, did just that, but that was not what I was questioning. See below.
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I've reread the posts on this thread & I guess I should have stayed out of this discussion because I have not a clue ""what else you were questioning"". IMHO locating to ""a post above or below"" a particular post is determined by which view(Classic or Modern) one chooses to utilize. I utilize Modern view & I attempted viewing this thread on Classic & I get more confused if I view on Classic.

PS: I haven't hunted in yrs but my neighbor brings me a processed deer every yr free of charge because his wife won't eat venison. Evidently my neighbor does an excellent job of field dressing as his deer always has a good flavor.
 
(quoted from post at 00:44:10 11/23/19) Better reread the regulations again and show us where it states that you must wear orange even in your blind./quote]

Dang I hit submit button then your statement shows up shining like a diamond in a goats rear end. I don't know how I overlooked it before. I guess not enough coffee. I'll be glad if Chris ever gets the ""edit function"" operating again.
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What, no freedom of speech? Asking for answers that you can't answer but calling your states wildlife dept got me the answers that you refused to answer because you couldn't.
 
Wrong. If you called DNR they do not have a clue about conservation laws two different agency's and one has little or nothing to do with the other. I know the conservation laws because I was a hut safety instructor and to be one you had to learn a good many of the conservation laws. Also due to mining creek gravel I found out a good bit about DNR and they change there laws often.

As for freedom of speech that is a 2 way street and when one get to the point of slandering a person that right in no longer there and calling me a lier as in saying I do not know what I am talking about if a form of slander
 
Why your trying to tell me Missouri law when your out on the left coast and your laws and not the same as my laws. EVERY deer season the reg. change as to what is what and when and how many and what deer you can or cannot take and the number of deer you can take. Here in Missouri DNR takes care of creeks and land and conservation take care of the hunting laws. Bi I have also found out that if you ask the same question to 3 conservation agents about hunting you will get 3 different answers. Like the one agent I talked to that said I had to report every opossum I shoot and 30 minutes latter I talked to another agent and he told me the other agent was wrong abut having to report shooting a opossum. So you have your laws we have ours so end this now please. By the way I learned the laws of MO to be a hunter safety instructor and had to take a class every year to be one
 
wow, what happen to his rights of freedom of speech that you are always hollering about!!!! There are some of us on this website that have actually put our behinds on the line for YOUR freedom of speech, but yet you want to deny others the same rights!!

And as for Gordo being a stupid "old man" I believe he his probably has a lot more intelligence between his ears than YOU, as
he hasn't brought himself down to you level by calling you names!!!

I have said enough, I really don't want to get started
 
What do you think your fellow safety instructors would say to taking a 300 yard shot with open sights you thought would miss, having a better rifle for the shot and not using it, shooting at lungs and hitting head, "no lead flying no deer dying", and it ok because it s on your property. I don t know any. Ask a few and see what they say
 
there is no such law on giving up ones right to freedom of speech. What you are saying that someone is calling you a lair, is when they disagree with you or call you out on your false statements.
I really think you need to use your computer to look up the def. of the slander laws.

If what you are indicating that someone is slandering you, then You have slander Gordo By calling him a "stupid old man". hhhhmmm shoe is on the other foot!!!
 
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