couple years ago I young fellow put an add on the craigslist he wanted some one to teach him to work on dozers so It got me thinking if anyone on here has thought about teaching a class on tractors. now I realize there are a lot of different tractors but basically the all work the same. I know there are people on here a lot smarter than I am and the way its going these young people don't know squat about them. I think you could make some good money doing that. if you get 5 people and charge them say 500 bucks apiece for a 30 day course you could do fine. I think this could work for a lot of different items.
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guido
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Hello pinball,
There is a need for proper technical training. It would take some organizing, but it could be done.
You would have to be qualified of course, then you would have to get the legal thing done. there is more to it that you think. But it is not impossible,
Guido.
There is a need for proper technical training. It would take some organizing, but it could be done.
You would have to be qualified of course, then you would have to get the legal thing done. there is more to it that you think. But it is not impossible,
Guido.
guido
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Hello MJMJ,
I have watched my share of you tube repair videos. Some of it is pretty good, but a lot of it is really bad!. I watched a video about adjusting valves on an overhead valve mower engine. Wish I had earmark it. Th guy I did not know which valve was the intake, and which was the exhaust.
AND he never started the engine to show that it was done correctly. Wrong valve last setting as well. Just one example of many that are just plain wrong! No correctness police!!! Even those that seem to do it for a living are not that technically correct.
If its on the net...?. must be true?
Guido.
I have watched my share of you tube repair videos. Some of it is pretty good, but a lot of it is really bad!. I watched a video about adjusting valves on an overhead valve mower engine. Wish I had earmark it. Th guy I did not know which valve was the intake, and which was the exhaust.
AND he never started the engine to show that it was done correctly. Wrong valve last setting as well. Just one example of many that are just plain wrong! No correctness police!!! Even those that seem to do it for a living are not that technically correct.
If its on the net...?. must be true?
Guido.
I believe that is what Berne does, at Skagit Valley College. It is a course that I took 50+ years ago, at that time called, Industrial Mechanics. I'm not sure what it is called today, but it started me on a long career, and taught me that if a human built it, I can probably diagnose it, and repair it.
Adirondack case guy
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There is an initiative being pushed here in Central NY in the school system, K-12. It is called "Engaging Youth In Agriculture". It addresses all aspects of Agriculture not just tractor mechanics. It has support from a broad range of entities.
BOSES is also still alive and well teaching students how to survive in the trades.--------Loren
BOSES is also still alive and well teaching students how to survive in the trades.--------Loren
BarnyardEngineering
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Someone who needs trained doesn't know they need trained either.
My instinct is that it would be a hard sell. $500 is a lot of money, and 30 days is a significant time commitment, even if it's just a few hours a day, and only nights or weekends.
Even though I think most people would balk at the $500 price, it's not nearly enough for a 30 day course. Computer training runs an average of $1000 per day in my experience, $5000 for 5 days of training.
My instinct is that it would be a hard sell. $500 is a lot of money, and 30 days is a significant time commitment, even if it's just a few hours a day, and only nights or weekends.
Even though I think most people would balk at the $500 price, it's not nearly enough for a 30 day course. Computer training runs an average of $1000 per day in my experience, $5000 for 5 days of training.
Adirondack case guy
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Most states that have Ag Colleges offer Degrees in Agricultural Engineering. Mechanics is part of the curriculum.-----------------Loren
Sadly most now days are too dumb to know what they don't know, much less have the ability to learn something they think they already know because they watched a video.
To play on the old Vicks 44 commercial from the '80s, many already think...'I'm not a mechanic,but I watched one on YouTube'....LOL...
To play on the old Vicks 44 commercial from the '80s, many already think...'I'm not a mechanic,but I watched one on YouTube'....LOL...
Crazy Horse
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Wayne .... yeah, I guess you'd be one of the lucky guys that know everything .... LOL !!!
Traditional Farmer
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From what I see these days people one of the biggest reasons people are using older tractors is that they already know how to work on them and the ones that don't want to work on tractors and equipment buy new.Can't see there being a big markets for mechanics class based on repairing older things.Plus who is going to spend 30 days and
$500 on information they can get off the internet instantly for free or better yet from YT and similar places for free?
$500 on information they can get off the internet instantly for free or better yet from YT and similar places for free?
Fordfarmer
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The raffle tractor at the Almelund Threshermans Show each year is restored by club members... and groups of up to 15 kids. Some of the kids have participated for several years.
Case Nutty 1660
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I had to throw in my thoughts,, not a bad plan if there was enough interested (I do not see it),, that said to me 500 for 30 days of schooling is nothing at all for what they would learn if you did it,, you would get 16.6 dollars a day per student in pay,, peanuts in cost,, no way would I ever consider teaching a class for that kind of money, I have thought about running a operators school for equipment,, but I was in the 5000 each range for a two week to three class,, and even then I do not think it would pay out with out support from local employer's as fuel and equipment rentals ects is a huge cost alone not to mention the insurance one would have to carry. Add in the fact that less than 5% of who applied could even be taught to be what I call a operator and I only see a huge money pit and loss,, same would apply to being trying to teach someone who does not know a spark plug from a exhaust valve how to repair even a 1940 era tractor. sure you could teach the basics,, changes plugs filters oil changes,, things like that easy enough but repairing anything takes a built in skill just like being a real operator and not someone who can make it move. just my thoughts
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Janicholson
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When young, I enrolled in 4-H tractor maintenance classes. They were taught at a dealership in Valparaiso Ind. (now long gone) called Harvey Shure Equipment. It was comprehensive, including principles of engine operation, drive train, and operation. Today the complexity of in use tractors and equipment is so radically complex, that teaching a course that would be seen as valuable would take 2 years. Dealerships send their mechanics (or should) to training to do this for each brand/model.
I love the whole idea that you present. I can't imagine enough interested students or comprehensive usable information that would capture enough money to make it work. Jim
I love the whole idea that you present. I can't imagine enough interested students or comprehensive usable information that would capture enough money to make it work. Jim
Who would be your intended market and what would be the goal(s) for taking your class:
1. General knowledge and recreation
- evening adult education classes
- guest speaking at tractor clubs;
2. Existing large/corporate farms
- to train entry level new hire farm employees. Basis technical info, safe operation and operating limits, preforming regular maintenance, working in a team with other operators (harvest, livestock, tillage);
3. Youth tractor driving certification
- FFA, 4H, and like the 1970's youth classes.
4. Beginning and future small farmers
- determining the capacity needed and then matching tractor and implement requirements to meet the needs.
- tractor selection and purchasing,
- working with dealers and repair shops,
- costs and realistic budgeting,
- when to upgrade/replace tractors and equipment.
5. Repair shops
- In depth training and certification to do major repairs and maintenance.
IMHO, 2. might have the best market and profit potential.
1. General knowledge and recreation
- evening adult education classes
- guest speaking at tractor clubs;
2. Existing large/corporate farms
- to train entry level new hire farm employees. Basis technical info, safe operation and operating limits, preforming regular maintenance, working in a team with other operators (harvest, livestock, tillage);
3. Youth tractor driving certification
- FFA, 4H, and like the 1970's youth classes.
4. Beginning and future small farmers
- determining the capacity needed and then matching tractor and implement requirements to meet the needs.
- tractor selection and purchasing,
- working with dealers and repair shops,
- costs and realistic budgeting,
- when to upgrade/replace tractors and equipment.
5. Repair shops
- In depth training and certification to do major repairs and maintenance.
IMHO, 2. might have the best market and profit potential.
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