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It is illegal to hunt deer over bait, such as grain or apples, but one can grow a food
plot with everything a deer could want to eat and the hunter/landowner can build an
elaborate tree stand at the edge of his food plot and that is not illegal. This seams
to be a dual standard to me.
Loren
 
(quoted from post at 11:44:18 11/12/19) It is illegal to hunt deer over bait, such as grain or apples, but one can grow a food
plot with everything a deer could want to eat and the hunter/landowner can build an
elaborate tree stand at the edge of his food plot and that is not illegal. This seams
to be a dual standard to me.
Loren
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here are 'state & federal houses" full of goof balls! :evil:
 
I never got that either but I guess the argument could be baiting happens only during the season while in theory the food plot is for a much longer interval. For all the talk about food plots I see extremely few around here.
 
One benefit to feeders on a timer is that deer get accustomed to showing up on the clock. Not waiting!
 
You typically raise a food plot on your own property. Folks around here tend to dump piles of bait/garbage (two 5 gallon pails per trip) on other peoples land- whether they have permission or not.
A bait pile crowds deer into one specific spot, theoretically increasing contact and spreading CWD. A food plot spreads out the feeding area and there is less contact and sharing of half-eaten food.
 
From what I hear plenty of baiting happens on a hunter's own property. CWD while not everywhere certainly is a valid concern.
 
Here in the great state of Texas baiting is not illegal. Corn in feeders and food plots are normal for hunting. Doesn't always mean the deer will come to either. Years like this with a great acorn crop dropping off the Oak trees the deer eat those first.
 
It was explained like this t me. A food plot can feed any an all wild life where as many feeders are set up so most animals cannot get food unless of course one just dumps the food. Even though a foot plot is put out so one can hunt easier it is still form of a crop
 
It is also illegal to shoot from the road, and within a certain distance from buildings. You can't sit in your rocking chair on the back porch and shoot a deer. HeHe----------------------Loren
 
Here in Ohio you can hunt over bait. At least I guess it's legal, a lot of guys do it.

Me, I don't get it...what some of these guys spend on corn, you could buy a quarter beef. Or more.

I like venison OK...think summer sausage, chili, backstraps...but not better than good beef.

That being said, I've got a corner of a hay/pasture field that has never produced much. Been planting some of the Dunstan chestnuts and some fruit trees there. Might be a good place to set up a blind in 10 years or so.

Fred
 
ACG I live in one of those states where a planted crop is ok but you cannot take 5 gallon pails of apples and dump them under a tree stand. (lets just say I don't agree with all there management ideas) Also no shooting from a car, (must be 10 feet off road) must be 100 yards from a building. Cannot shoot across a public road way. These ones I agree with!
 
Here in Missouri there are provision where one can be sitting in a car that is not moving and shoot a deer but that provision is for handicapped person. I know because I have a card that says I can do so but have not needed to do so for years. But right after I had back surgery and knee surgery I did need it to be able to hunt.
 
Many hunting laws make no sense except to the person who wrote the law. Who knows if they even hunt. That said, in some states, it is legal to use bait feeders and salt blocks etc. In some states you can only use shotguns for deer. In some you can shotgun in parts of the state, yet others part of the state high power rifle may be used. In South Dakota you can hunt pheasants on almost all S.D. roads but you can not hunt deer from any road. In some states you have to post signs that say "No Hunting", in some you just need to paint the gate posts and in S.D. it is automatically No Hunting unless you have the land owners permission. There are more laws that are strange but that?s enough from meg for now
 
loren,
If you put food down and up a sign saying anything eating this food will be shot should be good enough. It's their fault if they can't read. geo.
 
The entire hunting industry has gone a bit over the edge. Or a lot over.

Little of it makes much sense to me.

Hunter the other day was saying all pet cats should eventually be made illegal and exterminated, they bothered with his hunting somehow. Stuff like that makes it a lot easier to put up no hunting signs.

Paul
 
I'm not a hunter. Don't even own a gun. But I have nothing against it. For those that enjoy it, fine by me. Here is what I don't get. If you bait the deer, some said they even use timers to get them on schedule, How is that considered deer hunting? To me that seams like deer killing. Not deer hunting. I mean if you want to make it so easy and guarantee you get a deer, why not go out to the barn and shoot a steer? It's been established that it would be cheaper to buy a quarter beef so you aren't doing it to save money. You must be doing it for the sport. If you take the "hunt" out of the equation, what's the sport?
 
The difference is what the law says is legal and what is illegal real simple.As a practical matter a 1 acre 'food plot' is no different than a 500 acre field of corn that
is to used to attract a deer to shoot.
 
(quoted from post at 10:12:28 11/12/19)Me, I don't get it...what some of these guys spend on corn, you could buy a quarter beef. Or more.
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It's real easy to get when they're paying you 2X the market price for the corn and they're taking one or more of those overpopulated crop-destroying vermin out of the gene pool.
 
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Illiterate deer are an example of our broken educational system. My neighbor, just the other day, was complaining that the deer don't cross the road where the signs are (not kidding). You wait, pretty soon they'll want socialism.
 
places to hunt keep getting smaller and smaller, mostly due to leasing of hunting rights, so in order to get a deer to your little piece of heaven , you put out some bait, or food plot.
 
I was making a delivery in MI and the guy unloading the truck was complaining he was not allowed to shoot as many deer as he wanted, but the state was going to spend millions on introducing wolves back into the forests. All because the insurance companies were complaining about all the car deer collisions they were having to pay out. He said thats what the state gets for putting food plots in the middle of the interstate.
 
I wish more people liked pork......the feral hog population is out of control here & they really ruin a field overnite!
 
JF,
I saw 3 deer cross the road. First two jumped the fence and trespassed on our property. The third read the sign, turned around and returned to where he came. Proving 2 out of 3 can't read. Also proving public education doesn't work on deere.
I kid you not.
George.
 
(quoted from post at 11:35:29 11/12/19) I'm not a hunter. Don't even own a gun. But I have nothing against it. For those that enjoy it, fine by me. Here is what I don't get. If you bait the deer, some said they even use timers to get them on schedule, How is that considered deer hunting? To me that seams like deer killing. Not deer hunting. I mean if you want to make it so easy and guarantee you get a deer, why not go out to the barn and shoot a steer? It's been established that it would be cheaper to buy a quarter beef so you aren't doing it to save money. You must be doing it for the sport. If you take the "hunt" out of the equation, what's the sport?
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I spent $20 on seed for a food plot and $80 so far on corn to put in my feeder. That $100 probably wouldn't go far to feed out a calf and in my opinion not taste near as good as the venison. Just because all that is done doesn't guarantee a kill. The deer still have to show up and you still have to hit the target when you shoot.
I don't call it a sport. I call it putting meat on the table and in the freezer.
 
Why is it if you get caught shooting a deer out of season you pay the state a fine for killing Their deer but hit one with a car you pay to fix it yourself.
 
You are incorrect on where you can shoot your gun. Here is the question and answer from NY state DEC.

Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm within 500 feet, crossbow within 250 feet or longbow within 150 feet of any school, playground, occupied factory or church, dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the owner's consent.

So I can shoot deer from my back porch. I own all building within 500 feet of my house.
 
I like getting out and hunting but if it wasn't for the deer meat I wouldn't kill one.Deer are a cheap source of low fat low cholesterol meat for my wife and my self.
On the other hand I could easily kill a couple bear a year but don't like bear meat and don't shoot them.
 
The Conservation Commission says CWD is spread bu=y nose to nose contact and they can get it from nose to food and then to another nose. If it ever really gets a hold there will not be a dear sesion,they will all be dead.
 
I have often wondered if you planted say an apple tree in a pallet box and moved it around as needed for hunting season would that be legal, apples falling off the tree are ok for attracting deer but not placing apples there.
 
Hunting laws and ethics are kind of a can of worms.
In most states baiting bear is illegal.
They say it is unethical.
Here in MN, baiting bear is legal.
If I shoot a bear over bait here is it unethical because it is in most other places?
Some people don't like deer blinds.
They say it gives unfair advantage.
Other people spend thousands on the latest and greatest hunting clothes, scent masking stuff, range finders, fancy bullets and rifles or bows and arrows. All of this stuff gives them some advantage. Who is correct?
Here it is illegal to hunt from a building or permanent stand that is higher than 16' off the ground. But with a portable or climbing stand there is no height limit.
Here it is illegal to shoot within 500' of an occupied dwelling - unless you own the dwelling or have written permission. I had to put it in the lease so I could hunt about 200' from my rental house.
If you are the occupant you can shoot a deer while sitting on the john if you choose.
Used to be two-way radios and walkie talkies were strictly forbidden and it was considered unethical to use one.
Now everyone has a cell phone in their pocket and can call or text anything at anytime. What happened to the old ethics there?
 
I do the farming on our farm, 99.9 percent of it. My brother hunts and fishes and I joke that the extent of his farming is his deer plot...LOL
 

I asked the same question for years. To me, a "food plot" is just an expensive, long term bait pile.
 
(quoted from post at 16:09:20 11/12/19) One spreads Chronic Wasting Disease; the other does not.
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Yep. And there is the possibility that CWD can be passed to humans. :(
 
(quoted from post at 16:09:20 11/12/19) One spreads Chronic Wasting Disease; the other does not.
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Yep. And there is the possibility that CWD can be passed to humans. :(
 
First of all, it would be hard to differentiate food plots from grain fields with edges left unharvested.
Secondly food plots are obviously a legal "baiting" technique. Deer will survive quite well on natural food items in woods and fields.
 
In Michigan bait piles were regulated for size (5 gallon bucket). Now with the CWD crisis looming, it has been banned altogether. Thought process is that bait piles will bring deer into close contact and spread the disease. Plots are spread over a wider area, so deer not so likely to be in close contact. As far as plots, grain spills, unharvested crops, and an occasional apple tree in the fencerow, they would be about impossible to regulate.
No bating thing has some hunters in a tizzy because they don't think they can hunt without a pile. Phooey! I've hunted with and without, and without is just a successful and less work. Don't miss bating one bit.
 
Exodus 23:29 "I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the wild beasts multiply against you."

My Grandpa's brother said that he thinks the deer have come back so strong because of the lack of cow herd presence in the Minnesota countryside. They even have bears around where he grew up now, something he NEVER saw as a boy...

He grew up north of the twin cities with dairy farms all over the place in the 1930s and 40s.

I think there could also have been a shift in perspective from the mentality of the olden day farmer defending his 80 acre home parcel from crop damage to that of absentee renter farmers dealing with huge total acreages.

Less "close attention per acre"...
 
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