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bison

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I priced out these two parts for a JD 8640.
8" x 1" Pump drive shaft splined internally on one end,.key slot on the other.
And the 5" drive gear to fit the shaft.
Over $540 for the shaft and $800 some for the gear , how do they justify these prices?:roll:

I am glad I can repair things myself.
I bored the gear out and brazed the worn shaft and turned it down to press fit the gear.
Cost nearly zilch but a couple hours of my time.

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I am a JD man; But that is ridiculous! How much do those parts weight? Thats a lot of money per pound. You probably could buy used a lot cheaper!
 
Name me another brand that still supports and offers parts for a 40+ year old tractor?

I bet it if it was another color you would not of even wasted your time inquiring with the dealer for a new part as we all know the other colors can't get parts for a 40+ year old tractor.

I don't care what color the tractor is, they are all expensive to repair!
 
I'll bet there are more parts available for my 1973 Fiat built Oliver 1365 than a lot of John Deere tractors,I know a guy that was told by the JD dealership that front end parts for his
90's built 4WD were no longer available.
 
I agree as far as just obtaining used parts. Having said that JD can not afford to offer those parts for what most think are fair prices. Buy the material, machine the material paying for machine and labor, warehouse the part until needed, pull the part and ship makes a part much more expensive than the 50 or 100 dollars most here would want to pay for the part.
 
I took a shaft to an machine shop to make
a shaft since new idea dealer wanted 435
bucks for it, the ms told me he couldn't
do any better on a price by the time he
makes it, was an eye opener!
 
1973? I'd bet that JD has most stuff that would matter for a 46 year old tractor. Now if you want to talk about something such as a seat bracket that would have virtually no demand then that would be different and Fiat would probably be the same story.
 
Well, sad to say, but if I can I generally buy two or three of whatever it is. I figure I'll be lucky to even find it next time, much less for this old price.
 
I'm not necessarily a JD man, but our local JD dealer was able to order parts for my 60+ year old John Deere #5 sickle bar mower. I would have bet against it.
 
Well let?s take time to shake our fists at CNH too.
Starter on my skid steer gave up. Dealer said he
could have a new one for me tomorrow, $750.00
plus tax. I took it to a rebuild shop, $150.00 .But
New Holland can provide the part, if you can afford
it.
 
(quoted from post at 08:44:34 11/11/19) Well let?s take time to shake our fists at CNH too.
Starter on my skid steer gave up. Dealer said he
could have a new one for me tomorrow, $750.00
plus tax. I took it to a rebuild shop, $150.00 .But
New Holland can provide the part, if you can afford
it.
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here are a lot more parts to make up a starter than a simple little shaft.
 
(quoted from post at 06:52:23 11/11/19) I took a shaft to an machine shop to make
a shaft since new idea dealer wanted 435
bucks for it, the ms told me he couldn't
do any better on a price by the time he
makes it, was an eye opener!
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D parts are mass produced,..I bet that shaft costed less than $30 from start to Finnish.

A one off in a machine shop is a diff story,..machine set up changing tooling.

it sure pays to DIY.
 
(quoted from post at 03:02:57 11/11/19) I am a JD man; But that is ridiculous! How much do those parts weight? Thats a lot of money per pound. You probably could buy used a lot cheaper!
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sed parts are still half new price in my area. Someone has to take that part out and that costs time, sometimes a lot of it. One wrecker told me you pay for my time,..the part is free.
Parts like this are usually just as worn as the one it is to replace anyway.
 
I bet that shaft is sourced outside of the JD manufacturing system so I question that it would cost JD 30 dollars.
 
(quoted from post at 10:38:39 11/11/19) I bet that shaft is sourced outside of the JD manufacturing system so I question that it would cost JD 30 dollars.
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ack when the tractor was new the price tag was around 100 grand.
If I were to put that tractor together using all new parts it would probably end up costing in excess of 2 million bucks.
While today one can buy a brand-new similar tractor ready to roll for 1/2 million
Now tell me again that parts are not overpriced.
 
let me know I have new ih starters 100 bought a dealer out it is the same starter as lot of fords call 270-528-2134 days ask for larry
 
(quoted from post at 12:38:39 11/11/19) I bet that shaft is sourced outside of the JD manufacturing system so I question that it would cost JD 30 dollars.
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It MAY cost a bit more than you think to make to DEERE's "spec's", having internal splines at one end, and threads and a keyway.

Likely, there's a heat treating process or two involved, as well.
 
(quoted from post at 18:08:16 11/11/19)
(quoted from post at 06:52:23 11/11/19) I took a shaft to an machine shop to make
a shaft since new idea dealer wanted 435
bucks for it, the ms told me he couldn't
do any better on a price by the time he
makes it, was an eye opener!
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D parts are mass produced,..I bet that shaft costed less than $30 from start to Finnish.

A one off in a machine shop is a diff story,..machine set up changing tooling.

it sure pays to DIY.
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If you think that part cost less that $30 dollars to make your crazy and have not a clue of what manufacturing cost. Most shop rates and around $150.00 per hour and up. I can tell you from first hand knowledge of going into machine shops / fabrication shops for the past 20 years as a service technician that there is at minimum of a couple hours of machine time there. This includes set up time, machining time, and other misc. times associated with it.

That part might of been mass produced 40 years ago when the tractor was new. Do you honestly think that its still mass produced?

What do you think it cost an hour to run that tractor working up ground?
 

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When the spindle cracked off the extension plate, I checked with JD on the price. $1,000. No kidding. I
bought the exact same spindle, which is also used on the pick up side. $200. Ground out the bad one
and welded in the new. So, new JD part at a discount price. Being creative is what farming is all about.
Let?s face it, JD is sitting on these parts and think they have a monopoly.
 
(quoted from post at 17:39:59 11/11/19)
(quoted from post at 18:08:16 11/11/19)
(quoted from post at 06:52:23 11/11/19) I took a shaft to an machine shop to make
a shaft since new idea dealer wanted 435
bucks for it, the ms told me he couldn't
do any better on a price by the time he
makes it, was an eye opener!
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D parts are mass produced,..I bet that shaft costed less than $30 from start to Finnish.

A one off in a machine shop is a diff story,..machine set up changing tooling.

it sure pays to DIY.
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If you think that part cost less that $30 dollars to make your crazy and have not a clue of what manufacturing cost. Most shop rates and around $150.00 per hour and up. I can tell you from first hand knowledge of going into machine shops / fabrication shops for the past 20 years as a service technician that there is at minimum of a couple hours of machine time there. This includes set up time, machining time, and other misc. times associated with it.

That part might of been mass produced 40 years ago when the tractor was new. Do you honestly think that its still mass produced?
What do you think it cost an hour to run that tractor working up ground?
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40 years ago that shaft probably sold for less than $30.
I would venture to say that parts for these old tractors are sold till the inventory runs out,..that's why some parts for the same model are still available and others are obsolete( sold out).
 
(quoted from post at 14:36:08 11/11/19)
(quoted from post at 12:38:39 11/11/19) I bet that shaft is sourced outside of the JD manufacturing system so I question that it would cost JD 30 dollars.
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It MAY cost a bit more than you think to make to DEERE's "spec's", having internal splines at one end, and threads and a keyway.

Likely, there's a heat treating process or two involved, as well.
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hey are nothing special, the shaft is easily machinable and soft enough to file. only the teeth on the gear are hardened,.the centre is not.
machining the shaft is easy, broaching the internal splines is another story
 
Going Green can be expensive. They aren't the only ones that can cost an arm and a leg. Its getting so that only BTOs can afford these.
Any electronic Ford or NH parts can be rather high. That is why I stay away from models that have electronic controls such as the ford 8210 with an EDC. The solenoid valve alone for the tph is about $1000. It is made by an outside supplier and is a fairly simple device. Just two permanent magnets, some belville springs and a coil.

Some cars would cost well over a million dollars if you bought enough parts to build one at some of the tractor parts prices and I don't mean cars or tractors that cost over $30,000 to begin with.
Perhaps we should start selling our time and lemonade at $3,000 an hour (minimum 1 hour) and (proprietary)lemonade at $25 per cup. But these prices only to stranded corporate CEOs and similar. Farmers get a discount.

Admittedly some of the tractors are dogs and they did not sell many or make many extra parts. I believe in commonality of parts where possible so that logistics are not such a nightmare.
 
Big thing you guys are missing is that it cost money to warehouse a part. That's one of the reasons parts become NLA. If that parts isn't selling and just sitting there it's costing them money in storage space, inventory control and property taxes.

Look at it this way. Build a new storage shed. Now figure that your property taxes and insurance are going to go up. Maintenance for the life of the structure has to be figured in too. So ever square foot cost money each year. Now make that building meet OSHA standards for a warehouse. And storing bare metal parts it has to be climate controlled. Plus a fire suppression system has to be maintained. And daily electricity to pay for. And those parts have to sell for enough to pay for all of that AND make a profit.

Now add in the price of making that part too. They ain't making those every day. So someone has to figure out how many are being sold and then figure if it's worth making that part at all. So they figure how many to make in a run. After all, make too many and you have to spend money warehousing them.

Rick
 
JD parts are mass produced,..I bet that shaft costed less than $30 from start to Finnish.
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It probably did cost $30... FORTY YEARS AGO.

They don't "mass produce" parts for an 8640 now. They haven't mass produced parts for an 8640 since Reagan was President.

The parts are either old stock that's been on the shelves for 40 years, or small batches produced by hand in a machine shop. If they run out of parts this time though, they won't be restocking.

If the parts were cheap, someone would have bought them all up and hoarded them somewhere decades ago and they wouldn't be for sale at ANY price. You'd find out where the parts went with everyone else at the hoarder's estate auction, and by then it would be too late because you junked the tractor 20 years ago.

Glad you could fix it yourself, but some people can't and they're sure glad parts are available at ANY price. Still cheaper than a new one!
 
(quoted from post at 03:08:54 11/11/19) I priced out these two parts for a JD 8640.
8" x 1" Pump drive shaft splined internally on one end,.key slot on the other.
And the 5" drive gear to fit the shaft.
Over $540 for the shaft and $800 some for the gear , how do they justify these prices?:roll:

I am glad I can repair things myself.
I bored the gear out and brazed the worn shaft and turned it down to press fit the gear.
Cost nearly zilch but a couple hours of my time.

mvphoto45142.jpg
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Oh boo who.
Ever price parts for CAT, Mack, CIH, etc .
 
(quoted from post at 07:59:00 11/12/19)
(quoted from post at 03:08:54 11/11/19) I priced out these two parts for a JD 8640.
8" x 1" Pump drive shaft splined internally on one end,.key slot on the other.
And the 5" drive gear to fit the shaft.
Over $540 for the shaft and $800 some for the gear , how do they justify these prices?:roll:

I am glad I can repair things myself.
I bored the gear out and brazed the worn shaft and turned it down to press fit the gear.
Cost nearly zilch but a couple hours of my time.

mvphoto45142.jpg
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Oh boo who.
Ever price parts for CAT, Mack, CIH, etc .
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es I did have.
They are all out to lunch the greedy bastards.
 
Case IH is about the same. Some parts for my M are pretty reasonable while others are out of this world.

Case in point - Top steering gear, Case IH $800, Aftermarket $150, bought a wide front off a guy who only tears apart Ms & Hs - FREE. He asked if I needed anything, had a bunch of them laying around and gave me three for free. Only one was usable, but still.
 
Companies have to make a profit in order to stay in buisness. The ultimate question is what constitutes reasonable profit. Standard Oil under Rockefeller fixed prices after buying up competition or strong arming them into agreeing to go along with him.
Teddy Roosevelt took him down with the Sherman antitrust laws. It also did or can involve racketeering.

A current example is Martin Shkreli former CEO of Turing Parmaceutical who bought the patent to the antiparasitic drug Daraprim then raised the price from $13.5 to $750 per pill. Is that reasonable profit. Classic sociopath.

FBI arrested him on SEC violations. This arrogant little snot is now a felon doing time. They only gave him 7 years. They should have give him 50.
 
(quoted from post at 13:05:51 11/12/19) Companies have to make a profit in order to stay in buisness. The ultimate question is what constitutes reasonable profit. Standard Oil under Rockefeller fixed prices after buying up competition or strong arming them into agreeing to go along with him.
Teddy Roosevelt took him down with the Sherman antitrust laws. It also did or can involve racketeering.

A current example is Martin Shkreli former CEO of Turing Parmaceutical who bought the patent to the antiparasitic drug Daraprim then raised the price from $13.5 to $750 per pill. Is that reasonable profit. Classic sociopath.

FBI arrested him on SEC violations. This arrogant little snot is now a felon doing time. They only gave him 7 years. They should have give him 50.
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Funny you mention companies need a profit to stay in business .

Farmers need a profit too to stay in business yet nobody (including AG machinery manufacturers when the farmer/livestock producer is their sole reason for existing) seems to care about that as farmers have to pay retail on everything they need and have to take wholesale prices on every product they grow + pay the freight both ways
 
Bison,

That is exactly one of my points. Farmers don't get their equipment or chemicals wholesale. Unlike pharmaceuticals and other manufactured goods farmers have to put up with inclimate and unpredictable weather, insects diseases, etc. and they cannot outsource the production of their products. Will it rain or is there enough water in the pond or well to water animals or crops. They also have to go out in that weather to plow, feed animals. It is not an 8 to 5 job or shift work.
 
So what? If a person doesn't like what they do for a living its a free country they are free to choose another way to make a living,better than whining and crying
all the time about the one they chose for themselves.If a person doesn't like the way things are going they need to go find a mirror and take a look at who's fault it is.
I farm I'm well aware of the situation,but I continue to farm my problems are all on me.If I quit there will be dozens to line up to buy my equipment and land to take up farming where I left off.
 
I heard an industrial manager comment one time that if someone did not like farming they should get out of the business. I just thought it was hypocritical of this person to say that when he did not have to contend with the differences in production methods compared to a nice enclosed factory with electricity, heat, etc. The comment was on TV and the patronizing tone of his speech. Not griping, just appreciating the differences and looking at agribusiness congolomerates who have enough capitol to be able to weather the vagaries of the business compared to smaller farmers.
 
(quoted from post at 07:54:31 11/13/19)
If you think they are overpriced, go into business, make and sell your own.
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I guess that's why you call yourself "spook"
 
So I am guessing the key gave out and then chewed up bothe the shaft and gear bore.
No welding of the shaft was mentioned.
How long do you think the soft brazing rod material will hold the key?
 
(quoted from post at 17:41:32 11/13/19) So I am guessing the key gave out and then chewed up bothe the shaft and gear bore.
No welding of the shaft was mentioned.
How long do you think the soft brazing rod material will hold the key?
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ope, keyway was good. Key was wore a bit but a new this time a hardened key fits good and tight.
The gear had some slop on the shaft but I bored it out so its round and straight again. I had to add maybe a 1/32" brass to the shaft to get a press fit joint.
I am sure it will outlast factory parts as a new gear is just slip fit on a new shaft.
I found the remnants of another key in the bottom of the housing so I think it happened before. Tractor has just over 9000 hrs on it.

I found this loose pump drive when I was cleaning out the clutch housing when I had the tractor split for a failed perma clutch.
 
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