Cold Starts

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

Anybody that watches youtube knows how popular the "cold start" videos are. Its hard on an engine starting up in severe cold without pre-heating and I hate to do it with my own. But sometimes it is necessary. There is no pre-heating accessory on my 1660 combine so ether is the only starting aid I use (reluctantly) to get it going this time of year. Normally the combine is parked away for it's winter rest but this is such an unusual year. I wanted to remove the 22 foot header and get the pickup header back on and indoors for winter.
Some video from yesterday showing the procedure. The little JD needed a boost as the batteries are weak. The Case, I cheated a little and plugged in the coolant heater.
Combine Startup

55 50 Ron · Nov 2, 2019

Nice video. What engine does the combine have? Did you use any starting fluid? I missed your comment in the video if you said you did.

At the school bus company where I part time help, they needed a couple of traded-in busses started after they had set for all summer. Both battery sets were dead. Needed lots of charging and some starting fluid. These were DT 466 IH diesel engines. Double 12v batteries in parallel, but the weather (early Oct) was still warm.

Southern MN here is below "normal" temp for this season and lots of corn still in the fields. Always enjoy your videos, but sure wish you had been able to combine your wheat. Will there be a try to combine it in the spring?

buickanddeere · Nov 2, 2019

Plugging in the block heater is smart , plugging in the block heater is not cheating .

Determined · Nov 2, 2019

I can't recall where I heard about it, I think it was a service truck for an earthmoving company.

They had all their equipment plumbed with hoses and quick disconnects attached to the cooling systems.

To get an engine running on a real cold day they would drive the service truck up to it, hook it up to the hoses that were connected to the engine of the service truck and let it run for a half an hour or so to warm the engine then fire it up.

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

(quoted from post at 08:17:44 11/02/19)
Plugging in the block heater is smart , plugging in the block heater is not cheating .

True, but the way I recorded it (not showing the heater cord to the Case) made it look like the Case was a much better starter than the John Deere when in reality, the JD had weak batteries and no pre heating.

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

(quoted from post at 08:08:41 11/02/19) Nice video. What engine does the combine have? Did you use any starting fluid? I missed your comment in the video if you said you did.
Will there be a try to combine it in the spring?

Yes, same DT466 and starting system on this combine as your bus Ron. Normally a great starter but when it gets to 30 it needs a little shot of ether to save wearing out the starter.
Yes, if I'm still around in spring I'll be combining what the deer and moose have not eaten of that wheat field.

jddrawbar · Nov 2, 2019

Enjoyed the video.....I see a JD 2 cyl. in the shed, looks like maybe a AR or 60. Never seen it in any of your videos & didn't know you had it. Give us the details on the old popper.

Gambles · Nov 2, 2019

I hate cold starts. A couple of days ago, I tried to start a small 3-cylinder Deutz engine on a Vermeer trencher with the temperature of 25 degrees. The starter actually caught fire after a 15 second start attempt. Luckily, NAPA could get one in one day.

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

(quoted from post at 09:03:43 11/02/19) Enjoyed the video.....I see a JD 2 cyl. in the shed, looks like maybe a AR or 60. Never seen it in any of your videos & didn't know you had it. Give us the details on the old popper.

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jddrawbar · Nov 2, 2019

Thanks for the AR video. It has been well cared for in it's life. Really nice shape right down to the rubber. If you didn't grow up with the hand clutch, they can be awkward. Just a heads up, you may know, put it in neutral & engage the clutch when your not moving. That's a late model AR about '51, ser.# and I can tell you exact yr.....really a good example.

Russ from MN · Nov 2, 2019

That used to be quite common for the loggers in N MN, the last I heard the BIL had a sophisticated heater that burned diesel and heated everything, even
hydraulic oil tank!

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

(quoted from post at 09:48:20 11/02/19) Thanks for the AR video. It has been well cared for in it's life. Really nice shape right down to the rubber. If you didn't grow up with the hand clutch, they can be awkward. Just a heads up, you may know, put it in neutral & engage the clutch when your not moving. That's a late model AR about '51, ser.# and I can tell you exact yr.....really a good example.

Yes, I had heard that it was a good idea to run the clutch engaged when in neutral. For all hand clutch tractors.
This AR has a water pump on the engine and I'd heard the earlier models did not.

Leroy · Nov 2, 2019

The first styled ar was in 1959, befor that it was unstyled and only an all fuel tractor The water pump first came on the A & B bodels in 52 but factory could be retrofited as well as aftermarket pumps could be instaled, easy to tell if factory as factory pump was in bottom casting of radiater while aftermarket was just in lower hose. Not sure if the AR was still a 53 model tractor or not but I am thinking it was with the low seat 60 replacing it as a 54 model but thet were in looks identical. Then the high seat 60 came out. entirely different tractor. The styled AR had 2 6 volt batteries one on each side of cowel and steering gear. That stearing gear was a hard one to operate. Ours on the 50 went bad and we replaced with hydrostatic steering and 1 finger stearing after that.

centash · Nov 2, 2019

all of our company busses are equipped with an Esbar heater,runs on diesel and really warms up the interior of the bus quickly as well.

9001ron · Nov 2, 2019

For a diesel engine that needs to start in cold weather -- using a heat gun in the intake air hose works wonders. I dont think I would want to run heated air through a air cleaner paper element though. Dosent take long to remove a air filter . Using a heat gun can drastically shorten time starting a frigid diesel and isnt as destructive as either.

David G · Nov 2, 2019

That is basically what my Thermostart does.

Bob · Nov 2, 2019

Just because 37 million other you tubers find it SWELL to post "cold start" videos it doesn't mean you have to post a video of engine abuse, IMHO.

Yes, sometimes we have to do it, but I'll be darned if I'm gonna take a video of it, much less post it on the 'net.

You come across as someone who is craving attention???

rusty6 · Nov 2, 2019

(quoted from post at 20:12:08 11/02/19)
Just because 37 million other you tubers find it SWELL to post "cold start" videos it doesn't mean you have to post a video of engine abuse, IMHO.

Yes, sometimes we have to do it, but I'll be darned if I'm gonna take a video of it, much less post it on the 'net.

You come across as someone who is craving attention???

You might have missed the part where I commented that I hate to do cold starts on my engines but when I do it , it is out of necessity. Would it be smarter for me to just leave the machinery parked out in the weather all winter? This early winter caught everybody by surprise.
I do these videos on youtube mainly for my own amusement and records. It is interesting to be able to look back and see what I was doing years ago. I post links to them on the off chance that someone else might find them interesting too.

Bob · Nov 2, 2019

"Just because 37 million other you tubers find it SWELL to post "cold start" videos it doesn't mean you have to post a video of engine abuse, IMHO."

LOL!

Geo-TH,In · Nov 3, 2019

It's hard to fit a combine in a heated garage. However how many people have worthless junk in their garage and make their cars and trucks sit outside in the cold. Then they have to start the car to defrost it before going to work. Some even plug in to warm the oil and water.

I keep my garage around 50. Pole barn has no heat, but it's warmer than outside temps in morning. I never worry about cold starts because we have climate change.
Seriously, the Yellow river ran through the dairy farm I grew up on. The river would freeze over and the cows could stand on the ice. In the summer, the cows would cool off by standing in the river and add yellow liquid to the Yellow river.

People would cut ice out of the river and sell it before refrigeration. Can't do that anymore.

M Nut · Nov 3, 2019

Rusty,
I really enjoy your videos, and completely understand the need to ?do what you have to do? sometimes in life. The weather?s cold and there is crop to
harvest. Simple as that. Please keep posting videos as you have time, I for one, always look forward to them.

buickanddeere · Nov 3, 2019

Changes in water flow by drains being being added or operation of dams will hinder the production of ice .

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