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grandpa Love · Oct 16, 2019

Hand cranking the Allis B has been easy lately. Crunk it 10+ times at a show Saturday. Tried to crank it yesterday and after about 10 tries it kicked back and whacked my knee. Thought it was broke. Just slightly swollen today and a slight limp. Silly tractor , 2 clicks and one quick pull and she fired up today.

Stephen Newell · Oct 16, 2019

Be careful with it. There have been people killed with a hand crank.

Eldon (WA) · Oct 16, 2019

I've never had an Allis kick back...knock on wood LOL! Always pull over the top from the side...never hook your thumb on the crank. I remember going to an auction one day, auctioneer was giving his opening remarks and I was next to a B, I grabbed the crank and pulled it to see if the engine was free and the dang thing fired up. I quickly found the ground tab and shut it off, but boy did I get a lecture from him! Later on I did a lot of work for him, never did tell him I was the one that fired up that B!

Tom OConnor · Oct 16, 2019

My experience has been that there is a direct relationship with hand cranked tractors to how many people around watching. If there is nobody watching she will take off the first pull, let a big crowd form around and she will let you down every time.

rustred · Oct 16, 2019

better recheck the timing, you have too much advance , or something going on with the mag.

grayrider · Oct 16, 2019

Ouch, that would have caused me to speak a little bit of French

Goose · Oct 16, 2019

Years ago, a neighbor suffered a broken leg when a DC Case kicked back while he was hand cranking it. He limped until the day he died.

old · Oct 16, 2019

I had a B my dad had send me to the E.R. onetime due to that and it getting my wrist. Had to wear a wrist brace for a few week from that. On any hand crank tractor if I could figure out how to do it I would use the hand crank set up a JD has. Not way it can come back and get you since your turning a wheel so if it kicks back is slides threw your hand

jeffcat · Oct 16, 2019

You gotta remember to stand clear of the flight path. Got popped by a CUB many years ago. I would swear that thing lifted me almost 6 inches off the ground. My wrist hurt for several days. These things keep ya honest. At the Kinzer show when you watch one of those guys Bar over a Caterpillar.....no way sir!!!

Geo-TH,In · Oct 17, 2019

Old,
I was taught to keep all fingers on the same side of crank. If it backfired it could take your thumb off.

For the most part we had a John Deere D and H to hand crank. Never had to worry about getting hit with a crank.

farmerjohn · Oct 17, 2019

I got kicked by my Super C years ago, I have not tried cranking it since. Don?t want to risk potential permanent damages.

MJ in the UK · Oct 17, 2019

Hi Grandpa, the cranking handle is not the correct one It has to long a crank in it, if you have the correct cranking handle you would be able to start it ok. Here in the UK all the American tractors that came over here during WW2 did not have lights and starters so we had to learn the hard how to crank them to go and do a days work with them. The secret was to keep the magneto in good order and timed correctly. MJ

formerly ny bill · Oct 17, 2019

MJ is right.I hadn't noticed the crank before, because I was looking at the rest of the picture. the hand hold is too long, and the drop looks it too. maybe just take the chop saw to the hand hold? or Jim has the correct crank in his stock....
glad you weren't hurt worse.

grandpa Love · Oct 17, 2019

MJ, that picture shows the handle barely stuck in the grill. It's not pushed all the way in. But I did buy a shorter handle Saturday at the show. Anyone know the correct size/ length? Thanks

Traditional Farmer · Oct 17, 2019

In addition to the other ideas stand back out of crank range of your lower body and always pull the crank up,never push down,never spin the motor with the crank.

Russ from MN · Oct 17, 2019

Right Geo, all fingers and thumb on the same side, and only pull up! My FIL taught me how to do that, he gave me a Farmall A when I married his daughter! A dowry?

grandpa Love · Oct 17, 2019

Funny thing is how many times it cranked up easy at the tractor show. Then in the barn, trying to move it out of the way it tried to kill me! Usually if folks are watching it won't go!

Richard G. · Oct 17, 2019

Know how you feel.
But you ain't been kicked hard until you are kicked by a Model T.
My arm looked like it had a grapefruit growing on it one time.
I was helping a friend crank his 1915 T years ago and I set the timing lever wrong.
I have been kicked by my 1917, but not that bad.
Get the correct crank for that AC and it will be much safer and easier.
Richard

DoubleR · Oct 17, 2019

My shoulder is still messed up from four years ago cranking my super C. In a hurry, I stuck the crank in but not all the way. The tee was still in the frame slot where the crank goes through. I gave in a hard jerk to start it and there was no give in the crank, just my shoulder. Always be careful and don't become complacent and getting in a hurry doing it.

sms · Oct 17, 2019

A common way to crank start old tractors is to pull them over a couple times with the mag off and choke on to get fuel in the cylinders then turn the switch on and pull it again. May vary by tractor, trial and error to get the right combination. Also do as others have said stay out of the way and only pull up on the correct crank

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timcasbolt · Oct 17, 2019

(quoted from post at 03:58:48 10/17/19) better recheck the timing, you have too much advance , or something going on with the mag.

OR, he started and shut it off 10 times at a show and the plugs were getting wet from not running long enough.

David G · Oct 17, 2019

NEVER get body parts in the way of the crank, knuckles included.

Leroy · Oct 17, 2019

But don't start at the 6 oclock positin to pull, start at 9-10 oclock position. If it does not start in that length of cranking it is not going to start at the bottom or 6 oclock position. I never cranked it but Dad crancked that engine many a time mounted on the toung of a AC 60 coumbine and the way things were mounted you had to use the short crank stroke from the 10 oclock position. And always be on right side facing tractor while cranking. In the how to crank video of starting the Farmal that crank liked to jump of as you were trying to crank it. Only used crank in working on tractor 41 H Farmal because it had a starter, way safer.

unc · Oct 17, 2019

Grandpa: Check the impulse on the magneto. If it isn't working correctly, even a properly timed engine can kick back. Hope you heal up okay. unc

Mac AR · Oct 17, 2019

The little boogers have got quite a kick don't they? I remember once when I was a boy, I would start the F-20 by standing on the front wheels, leaning over the crank, and jumping off(I was pretty small then). It'd usually start on the second jump. Well, one day I set the advance wrong I guess, and that sucker slung me ten feet from where I started! You talk about an "eye-opening" experience. I never tried it again, and used the Super M or the 100 after that. Some years later, I had a 9N kick me when I over-choked it. My leg was sore for several days afterward. You live and learn, I guess. I don't even have cranks for the Cub or 300, and as long as I can keep starters and batteries going, probably won't.

Mac

old · Oct 17, 2019

Well this happened say 45 years ago and yes I held the crank the correct way but it still got me. It was also the first tractor I ever rebuilt and engine on and I did that while on leave from the navy when I was say 19 or so years old

the tractor vet · Oct 17, 2019

I stated this many times before i got EDUCATED at a young age about ARMSTRONG starters and reaffirmed a few years later that i don't talk much about First round of EDUCATION was with and Oliver O C 3 and i still bare the scar from that one and the lump on my right elbow , then to add to the Education of ARMSTRONG starting was one OLD D 8 2 U series on that one i was standing on the left side track pulling on the crank and in warp speed i was standing on the right track with crank in hand and a vary sore shoulder . I have run people off that wanted me to work on there old ARMSTRONG Start tractors , some got really mad over it . This is why they came out with ELECTRIC START as a safety issue . Unless you are KINK KONG and darn near flip the tractor over while tryen to start one go with Electric start i even hate chain saws as some of them are a real pain .

HenryO · Oct 17, 2019

too bad the tractor companies didn't notice of the cranking on the PT 17 Airplane where you wound up a spring with the crank and then turned the spring loose to start the engine. We still have a 43 Farmall A that will only start with the crank, the 6 volt starter barely turns it over, (I know how to fixit but too old and tired)

Billy NY · Oct 17, 2019

That 2 cylinder starting engine is the same one on a D7 of the same period, there is something about the handle on those and the way it is shaped inside, did not think it could hook up and pull you with the backlash. The early tractors had them down further along the front and if you stalled out nosed in, were a real bear to deal with. The starting engine on my D7 4T was a pretty good runner, I rarely used the electric starter on it as it would fire easily with the hand crank, just had to set it on the compression stroke, give er a whirl, would fire up easily. If they are out of tune, not so well at all. Good to remember you could get tossed over the hood, I thought it was impossible with one of these and that certainly must have hurt, falling onto the tracks is no joke.

4wdtom · Oct 18, 2019

Park on hill, use gravity and third gear.

Leroy · Oct 18, 2019

Thought you were going to put in everything from parts tractor you had gotten to put on the starter. What changed your mind? Going to think about doing it now?

grandpa Love · Oct 18, 2019

Nope lol. I still like the hand crank.

David G · Oct 18, 2019

A word of advice to you, chock the wheels with little ones around, they like the gear shifts.

I almost lost my 3 year old that way.

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