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This summer the governmint powers that be authorized the sale of 15 % ethanol gasoline. Some convenience store chains here (Indiana) have worked with oil companies to get this on retail market already. The E 15 fuel is advertised as unleaded 88, is always 6 cents a gallon cheaper than unleaded 87. Think all the gas sold at these stations actually has ethanol in it except for the 93 octane. Thought it was interesting a major convenience store chain, an oil company and the governmint are working together to promote a product that corn farmers produce and saves consumers some money at each fill up. Any of you guys seeing E-15 for sale in your area yet.
 
Many stations around here have an assortment of e-xx fuels. I have a all fuel vehicle. it does well on E-85. Price differential overrides slight loss in milage. Have used E-15 in several farm machines with no problems.
 
Here in E SD we have blender pumps that can deliver E-10, 20, 30 or E-85. I use E-20 in all gas engines on the farm and run E-85 in my 04 Dodge 1/2 ton and the wife's 08 Grand Caravan. Have been using ethanol fuels since the mid seventies without any problems.
 
Same here.

I run E10 in everything from chain saws to vehicles and I've never had a problem that could be blamed onto the fuel.
 
Actually E15 was authorized back in 2011. The recent change allows it to be sold year-round, not just in winter months.

Vehicle manufacturers and fuel distributors have been lukewarm about E15. It seems to me to be a solution in search of a problem.
 
(quoted from post at 06:43:09 10/14/19) This summer the governmint powers that be authorized the sale of 15 % ethanol gasoline. Some convenience store chains here (Indiana) have worked with oil companies to get this on retail market already. The E 15 fuel is advertised as unleaded 88, is always 6 cents a gallon cheaper than unleaded 87. Think all the gas sold at these stations actually has ethanol in it except for the 93 octane. Thought it was interesting a major convenience store chain, an oil company and the governmint are working together to promote a product that corn farmers produce and saves consumers some money at each fill up. Any of you guys seeing E-15 for sale in your area yet.

I am in northern Indiana and have not seen the E-15 label or the E-15, 88 octane option. This is the first I heard of the 88 octane rating, I would like the try it. Typically, 87 octane E-10 fuel is a blend of 84 octane gasoline and 10% ethanol resulting in the 87 octane rating. Interesting that they are taking credit for the extra octane rating for the E-15 blend.

One comment: We do have stations that sell no ethanol fuel typically in 91 octane, sometimes 93 octane. Typically the pump is a stand alone pump in that it only dispenses a single grade of fuel and is clearly labeled "contains no ethanol". If there is not label on the pump I would propose the fuel contains ethanol regardless of the octane rating. Another dead give away is the price - no ethanol gasoline should always be higher priced (costs more to refine) than the same octane grade gasoline with ethanol.
 
First, I'm not opposed to Ethanol, but get frustrated with the Ethanol propaganda.

Received a postcard from Iowacorn.org. States "E85 saves you at the pump, so you have money for what matters most".

Example: Chevy Equinox. If you switch from E85 to non-ethanol, you can expect to increase fuel economy by about 47% and save (depending on pump price) $450-$500 per year, based on EPA data.

I asked Iowa Corn to provide the data to substantiate a savings with E85. Never received a response.

I would like to see a true cost per mile comparison of each type of fuel.

Ethanol--
* Reduce dependence on foreign oil. The US exports oil.
* Supports farmers. Farmers loose on corn year after year. Subsidized by taxpayers.

Not opposed to ethanol, but want facts, not propaganda.
 
Been running E10 since it came out. I like the E15 because of best price actually. I'll run whatever is cheaper at the time I fill up though. Some stations have E10 or 20. Another has E10, E15, E30, E85. Haven't tried the E 85 though but will put in the E30 if I am at that station. Mileage doesn't change more than 1 or 2 mpg which is really not measurable at that point because of different driving conditions so why not save on the cost of the fillup.
 
(quoted from post at 07:25:43 10/14/19) First, I'm not opposed to Ethanol, but get frustrated with the Ethanol propaganda.

Received a postcard from Iowacorn.org. States "E85 saves you at the pump, so you have money for what matters most".

Example: Chevy Equinox. If you switch from E85 to non-ethanol, you can expect to increase fuel economy by about 47% and save (depending on pump price) $450-$500 per year, based on EPA data.

I asked Iowa Corn to provide the data to substantiate a savings with E85. Never received a response.

I would like to see a true cost per mile comparison of each type of fuel.

Ethanol--
* Reduce dependence on foreign oil. The US exports oil.
* Supports farmers. Farmers loose on corn year after year. Subsidized by taxpayers.

Not opposed to ethanol, but want facts, not propaganda.

Miles per gallon increase of 47%? So if you were getting 20 miles per gallon on E85, you are now getting close to 30 mpg with non-ethanol?
 
I use E85 in my Flex Fuel F150. Good performance but the mileage falls off a little. I?ve been told it doesn?t work well in the winter.
 
K-MO, did you type that right, I?m not understanding your claim there?



Most gasoline engines are most efficient for the price at an E25 blend, or 25% ethanol.

Can use poorer gasoline in the mix for less gas cost, ethanol is cheaper than gasoline; so the E25 should be quite cheap.

Then, ethanol burns with a cleaner flame front and more efficiently. So even if it has less btu per gallon, in an E25 blend it burns more efficiently, getting back to nearly the same useful energy per gallon.

Combined, it?s the best bang for the buck.

E15 is better than E10.

There is tons and tons and tons of data out there, it gets buried by Big Oil which hates sharing their pie with farmers, they work tirelessly to get rid of ethanol.

So, if we post something, you will discredit it anyhow.

People fall into 2 camps, pro-Big Oil or pro environment, cheaper fuel, more USA jobs.

Not much room for real facts.

Ethanol will not ever solve or replace all our energy needs. It is a product that helps stretch our fuel supplies, makes the exhaust a little bit cleaner, and is a better product. It works in existing vehicles, which no other ?new cheap better? energy source can. Like compressed natural gas, batteries, etc. - you need a whole new different infrastructure and car.

If we forced only E85 then we could use the properties of ethanol, tube the engine to be much more efficient, and really use ethanol fully; but that won?t happen and I?m not for it.

Ethanol at about E25 would be really cool and most helpful to our economy and pocketbooks and environment for the time being.

E15 is better then E10, which is better then just gasoline.

You do the research, look where the studies you see come from, dig deep, and you will find your info. If you sit back and ask for someone to hand you the info, you will get stuff straight from Big Oil or straight from an Ag group and you will just be picking opinions.

Personally I?ve seen the Ag groups more closely follow the true studies, but of course they and I probably have a feel-good goal in our minds too.

Paul
 
Well i for one would love to find straight 93 as the vary best that is coming down the PIPE LINE IS 90 and 90 don't cut it . And as for this AL-KI- Hol laced gas unless you have a FLEX fuel engine don't use it . Myself do not have a FLEX fuel equiped car and my old junk has lost two to three MPG on the 10% junk and has lost getty up and go power in the humps and bumps . If ya ever played with AL-KI-HOL as in drag engines and pulling engines it is fussy stuff to keep it perkalaten and can lean out on ya and lean is plum mean , many a blowers have gone into orbit many ah pistons have ended up in the pan or out the side of the block . even lifted a few heads off the block and ya havve never lived till ya throw a crank out on the track 3/4 's the way down just ah getten it . Our trusty old 2003 Dodge Durango with the old school iron block and heads 360 USE to do 17-18 mpg when winter gas came on it dropped down to 15-16 then came the AL-KI- HOL laced junk and now your lucky to see 15 and more like 12-13 and a dog in the hills that it use to just go up , now it must down shift out of O/D and sometimes drop to second and unlock the converter .
 
Minnesota was near the front lines of starting up ethanol in fuel supplies. The ethanol plant 15 miles north of me was funded by farmers in the area pooling their money together and building the plant. Minnesota promoted and promotes ethanol fuel as both better for the environment and stretching fuel supplies with local production.

Both.

In the past few years USA has gotten closer to self sufficient on crude oil production, but when there was that terrorist attack on the Saudi refinery a little bit ago fuel prices jumped up; we are not at all truly self sufficient on crude!

As well, ethanol in my pumps is locally grown, unlike crude oil which comes from several states away, or mostly Canada to my local pumps. So the ?local? Label still applies to me.

Ain?t nothing in this world perfect, and ethanol won?t be the end all be all solution to our fuel needs forever, but it seems to be a good product to use for some time as we figure out where we go with fuel use.

A century or two ago we traded whale oil to light our houses, it was a big commodity product. Times change and we have to keep up. Today, transportation fuel using some ethanol in gas and some bio oils from soybeans in diesel seem to be our best options to supply the fuel needed at a good value, energy, and environmental mix.

Paul
 
The ORIGINAL purpose of E10 was to reduce the need for a chemical oxygenator by replacing with Ethanol, so clean air.

It then became political.
 
The first time I went to Colorado skiing was in '82. We drove at night and as we were getting to Denver the sun was just coming up there was a big green cloud over the city. MTBE was the big thing to help oxygenate the fuel at the time. Somebody decided it caused cancer and it was discontinued in favor of E10. I will say it sure helped to improve the air quality in Denver haven't seen that kind of a green cloud since
 
It may be OK if you are using it every day, But I just had to put 2 new floats in 2 JD B's where the float is all full of green corrosion from sitting since last year. They were full of cracks & had fuel in them. Carb itself needed to be cleaned too. I will be buying premium fuel in my barrel from now on unless the supplier can get gas with no alcohol for me.
 
Have a tractor with a mounted picker on. Last it was run was 8 years ago. Pulled it 30' and it was running on 8 year old E-10 fuel. I just don't have those problems using ethanol.
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Before you all show very many grades of xyz snake oil gas,look around.most places have 3 yes 3 fuel tanks. Thank that over. Just my vision as ive hauled gas to many stores in my area.
 
Bet you cannot say the word quickly 10 times. I would have said say that 10 times , then you would have said that that that that that that that that that that . LOL
 
> But I just had to put 2 new floats in 2 JD B's where the float is all full of green corrosion from sitting since last year. They were full of cracks & had fuel in them.

Wow! Two brand new floats leaking like sieves after only a few month's exposure to ethanol. That's terrible.

Oh wait...you mean those floats weren't exactly new? A little older perhaps? Like maybe seventy or eighty years old? Could it be that they died of old age rather than from alcohol poisoning?
 
No E-15 here in Ohio and the pumps for the 3 grades, regular, mid and premimum Come out of same pump say may have up to 10% ethanal, They DO NOT say it has 10%. To fit in the law it may only have .001 of a percent and still be legal, even if it is just a trace. So it may be 99.999% gas with .001% ethanal. No way to know what the blend actualy is unless you are a chemist in a chemacal facility that can test it. I would use the 15% if avaible and compairative priced. I have seen E-85 priced higher than regular. So why pay more per gal than regular, competiveable priced would sell a lot more and be able to pay for the extra equipment. Never had a problem with E-10. E-20 & E-30 or higher untill you hit E-85 is not avaible. And I think I would have to cross the Indiana state line to get E-85.
 
When Mark at Mark's carb & magneto saw the floats & how soon they went bad, he said too there is something wrong with the gas.
 
I too have run E10 for many years with no fuel related problems...My JD riding mower ran for 17 seasons never once failing to start after sitting all winter I and never had the carb off it.....I remember having more fuel problems 40-50 years ago than I do now..
 
When E10 was mandated, our Ford 500 lost a solid 2 mpg. At that time I was driving a very consistent and relatively long trip a couple times a week so I had good empirical data.

I believe it was the BTU difference.
 
I haven't had any of the problems that some have had with the Ethanol blends. I have had them soak up water where you get a layer of water sitting in the bottom of the tank. Relatively easy to remedy but annoying. I haven't had problems with corrosion.

My concern is the newer vehicles I see (and one of which I own) where the manual specifically commands to not run any ethanol blends higher than 10%. My guess is that there are hoses or other components that would be affected by that quantity of alcohol.

FWIW, years ago I called Shell oil about the 93 octane fuel and they said that all grades of their gasoline contained up to 10% ethanol.

In this area they do sell E85 at a few places but the price per BTU is at a major disadvantage vs. regular gasoline and E10. They should price it by BTU content.
 


I've had lots of problems directly related to using E10 fuel here on the Ontario border in NYS. The problems disappeared when I went to non-ethanol fuels. I know there are a lot of people that say they don't have any problems with ethanol fuels, and I believe them. I think it's the specific blend that someone gets in a particular area. Every small engine shop in my area will tell you that E10 has been a solid money maker for them!
 

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