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Know nothing about Ohio or Kentucky but in Tennessee get a car hauler type trailer with good lights and load your tank , tie it town good then cover it with a tarp. Most likely no one will bother you. Now if you have a wreck are you legal who knows. Actually see folks move them in the daylight and don,t think the law bothers them but again what the law says I do not know. I do know this the propane companies have been know to turn someone in for moving a tank , they charge to move them and like the money, but tarped down they are not likely to know what you are hauling.
ramblineagle
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Not sure on a used empty propane tank, but it might fall into the hazmat class. check D O T rules on transporting empty propane tanks. Hazmat rules are the same for ever state when in transit.
fixerupper
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I was once told by the DOT an empty fuel tank still has fumes making it hazardous. When he stopped me I did have my hazmat so he couldn't stick me with anything. So if you want to be legal you need to have a hazmat endorsement.
john in la
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Just but a new tank in Tennessee.
The tank can not be moved with more than 5% fill.
Even with it empty it is considered a bulk container that still falls under hazmat guidelines because of last contained product.
This requires.....
A special hazmat hauling permit.
Special insurance.
A CDL with hazmat endorsement.
Placards.
Or you could throw a tarp over it and take your chances.
The fine is only 5 figures and automatic suspension of your drivers license.
The tank can not be moved with more than 5% fill.
Even with it empty it is considered a bulk container that still falls under hazmat guidelines because of last contained product.
This requires.....
A special hazmat hauling permit.
Special insurance.
A CDL with hazmat endorsement.
Placards.
Or you could throw a tarp over it and take your chances.
The fine is only 5 figures and automatic suspension of your drivers license.
john in la
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Moresmoke does bring up a good point.
If you can have it purged and certified as not containing any vapor residue you could haul it as a normal non hazmat load.
If you can have it purged and certified as not containing any vapor residue you could haul it as a normal non hazmat load.
Olliejunkie
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Spray it red and put for fire use only on it. Just kidding of course. Do you have farm plates? Might fall under a different category if you do.
blue_tractor_man
Member
It would surprise me if the propane guy in TN filled a tank that he did not supply. Seems like when I used to use propane one company would not fill another company's tank. I can't remember for sure.
tn terry t
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you can own your own tank and anyone can fill it
I've read the comments and most don't make sense, on the other hand maybe DOT has gotten tougher.
My experience moving a 500 gal. tank was simple. It fit in the bed of my pickup--tailgate down. I strapped it down and took off. Bought in Pennsylvania hauled it across Maryland into Virginia. Brought it down Rt 15 to Fredrick Mad. then Rt. 340 to Leesburg, Rt 7 to my house in Northern Virginia and Rt 95 to Fredericksburg and finally Rt 17 to the farm. It was new from a Amish gentleman. Now that route was not the back way by any means and it was the middle of the day but I didn't speed and was predictable. I took two days to make that move--first day drove there, bought and loaded the tank and drove to my home in Northern Virginia, the second day to the farm. I know the powers-that-be saw me but didn't bother me. WHEN--I finished the house in 2015 so I bought it in 2013 or 2014.
I wouldn't worry too much.
My experience moving a 500 gal. tank was simple. It fit in the bed of my pickup--tailgate down. I strapped it down and took off. Bought in Pennsylvania hauled it across Maryland into Virginia. Brought it down Rt 15 to Fredrick Mad. then Rt. 340 to Leesburg, Rt 7 to my house in Northern Virginia and Rt 95 to Fredericksburg and finally Rt 17 to the farm. It was new from a Amish gentleman. Now that route was not the back way by any means and it was the middle of the day but I didn't speed and was predictable. I took two days to make that move--first day drove there, bought and loaded the tank and drove to my home in Northern Virginia, the second day to the farm. I know the powers-that-be saw me but didn't bother me. WHEN--I finished the house in 2015 so I bought it in 2013 or 2014.
I wouldn't worry too much.
Listen to John. Unless it's purged and certified as such and a whole mess of other stuff, then it's still HAZMAT and subject to a whole bunch of special regs. Either find a trucker who does HAZMAT to move it or get a new tank where ever you are going. Real bad idea to try to "wing it" IMO speaking as a retired DOT cop.
My neighbor hauls propane to his bins with tanks on running gears. Not sure if they are anhydrous tanks or propane tanks but they pull them to bins that are are not at the farm. Had trouble with people stealing it so they haul it in. They have a larger tank on the farm they fill wagons with. I guess u could slap and ammonia placard on it?
john in la
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It was new from a Amish gentleman.
Whole different ball game from a used tank
Whole different ball game from a used tank
john in la
Well-known Member
I guess ignorance is bliss.
The problem is ignorance is not a defense.
The problem is ignorance is not a defense.
jimg.allentown
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I cannot even understand WHY you would even ask here.
Sure, there are a lot of truckers on this forum. There are also a lot of truckers that have no idea what the special regulations are because they have not read the laws on them. One thing about truckers is that if you ask ten different truckers a logbook question, you will get ten different answers. Some will be partly right, some will be way wrong, and maybe one will be right.
The FIRST place to ask would be calling the DOT offices in each state that you will be travelling in. Even though most hazardous material regulations are federal, states can have added regulations that need to be followed.
If you ask enough people and ask at enough places, you may eventually get the answer you like. But, it may not be the correct one. One thing I know for a fact is that the fines can get quite expensive for violations of hazmat rules.
Sure, there are a lot of truckers on this forum. There are also a lot of truckers that have no idea what the special regulations are because they have not read the laws on them. One thing about truckers is that if you ask ten different truckers a logbook question, you will get ten different answers. Some will be partly right, some will be way wrong, and maybe one will be right.
The FIRST place to ask would be calling the DOT offices in each state that you will be travelling in. Even though most hazardous material regulations are federal, states can have added regulations that need to be followed.
If you ask enough people and ask at enough places, you may eventually get the answer you like. But, it may not be the correct one. One thing I know for a fact is that the fines can get quite expensive for violations of hazmat rules.
I know the only tank you could buy in Ohio 25 years ago was the burry type of tank. And tanks above ground were all owened by the propane supplier and others would not tuch them. Found out about owning them when Late Father-In-Law moved to country fron town. Tank had been removed by previous supplier and it was to buy only underground and that is the way he went. Would have bought above ground if allowed at that time. Over past 60+ years had several different suppliers and all owned tanks. Does he actually own the tank or only think he does? Does he have the purchace papers? Dought it Then it would be considered a stolen tank. Biggest tank I think you can buy is 30# camper tank. And the anhydrous tanks if the farmer pulls them on the road he has to have tanker and hasmat on drivers licene. That is why when I worked at two different places delievering those tanks I had to get those endorsements. Some suppliers were trying to fly under the radar by not having properly licenced delivery drivers. If the farmer picked up the tank and very few would it was the farmer totally liable if something happened while pulling it on the road.
Didnt get my post finished was gonna say hazmat endorsement wont help much cause you need insurance to cover the tank and that will cost more than the tank is worth for a 1 time thing.thats a federal law not just state law.
The risk if in a crash isnt worth it in my opinion but thats my 2 bits worth
The risk if in a crash isnt worth it in my opinion but thats my 2 bits worth
Questioning an expert in transporting propane cylinders is probably the best thing to do. I am not an expert and so far it seems that nobody else here is. What regulations I found seem to indicate if the cylinder is at 5% or less capacity, and under 1000#'s then you do not fall under the regulations of hazmat or need permits, placards etc. Do your own research on federal regs, and state regs too. Good luck.
Considering that most of the responses are on the same page, I would surmise the consensus is that moving a propane tank is not a good idea.
Now a couple of the people that have responded do know what they are talking about and are in agreement.
1001 lbs refers to the water capacity of the container. So any hazardous material over 110 gallons container capacity must be placarded and follow all
rules. Some materials have requirements beyond that, gasoline being a class 3 flammable is restricted to 8 gallon containers and 440 lbs total if you are
not a hazmat transporter. This is a materials of trade exemption. Meant for traveling to a job site, race track, etc.
Any tanks/cylinders that contain residue are still considered to contain product and must be treated as such.
Now a couple of the people that have responded do know what they are talking about and are in agreement.
1001 lbs refers to the water capacity of the container. So any hazardous material over 110 gallons container capacity must be placarded and follow all
rules. Some materials have requirements beyond that, gasoline being a class 3 flammable is restricted to 8 gallon containers and 440 lbs total if you are
not a hazmat transporter. This is a materials of trade exemption. Meant for traveling to a job site, race track, etc.
Any tanks/cylinders that contain residue are still considered to contain product and must be treated as such.
I don't know on LP tank but a 1 gallen can of weed spray does require hasmat. Have not had a problem with my 30# camper trailer tanks. First place I worked at just when the CDL came out the secetary had to get the hasmat to be allowed to take out to the aplicators working at same company a single gallon of spray if operators ran short, possibly from being told a field was less acres than it actually was.
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