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What do you think about this deal?

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Red1

09-12-2019 06:34:25




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My home is on a 10 acre field...When it works out,..someone swathes and bales the hay...and in the past, picked them up and took them to their farm.

Usually within 2 weeks after cut..I liked having the field bare going into winter...

This outfit cut it last year,..moved the bales over by the entrance..and picked them up in a few weeks..This year the bales (20) were left in the field, since June...

I've tried to understand when the hay guys plans on taking them away, like last year...no luck on communications..

So my plan is to try craigs list..maybe 50$/bale...they measure to 6' x 4'. I have reference from a place that bought it for awhile and fed it to their horses..and they liked it...I have nothing other than the 8n...the buyer would need to provide the loader and transpertation...Its good hay...

The hay guy would get half of whatever I get for it...That should appeal to them...eliminates the need for picking it up...hassling with buyers...

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Red1

09-12-2019 11:54:45




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
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The hay is mine...The custom hay outfit has a large field down the road he does and then since I'm close he does mine...on shares...

I made it pretty clear the first time..last year..that I wanted the bales off the field fairly quickly..like hayers in the past have done..No problem last year..cut baled and removed in 2 - 3 weeks..This time its been since june...and I want it moved..I don't believe they have livestock....

I guess the question is how much ownership does he have now that he has spent time and $$$ baling it?

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David G

09-12-2019 10:02:31




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
I think that is a good start, if the guy comes back, give share of the money, I also think your asking price should be about par, I get $75 for good hay.



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Janicholson

09-12-2019 09:46:08




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
Registered letter to the share cropper. Explain the issue and intent to sell if no reply. Jim



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Skyhighballoon(MO)

09-12-2019 08:54:28




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
Sorry I screwed up the share %. I typed it backwards. It should be:

* Landowner 40%, Other Party who cut the hay 60%



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Skyhighballoon(MO)

09-12-2019 08:48:32




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
If it's the same person, he posted this over on NewAgTalk as well. From what he said over there this is I think what the deal is:

* He owns the ground

* He verbally agreed to let the other party cut and bale the hay on the 10 acres for shares. Landowner got 60% share, other party got 40% share.

* It was not clearly stated but I inferred the other party had no input costs (e.g. fertilizer)

* Last year the other party cut, baled and moved hay to edge of field right away, then took the hay away a few weeks later and bought the 60% share from the land owner

* This year they made an identical agreement including moving the hay off the field immediately which the other party did not live up to

* It was not clear if the other party had first rights to buy the 60% share of the landowner or if they agreed to a price per bale.

* Other party is refusing to communciate - e.g. repeated phone calls not answered and messages not returned

I have not stake in this, just my interpretation of the situation based on the discussion and his comments on the post over on the NAT site.

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SETX

09-12-2019 08:35:39




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
I don't think a 50/50 split will appeal to the guy who cut, raked and baled it. He has equipment, fuel, labor, netwrap or string costs.
More equitable would a 70/30 (70 him, 30 you).

But I would give him a deadline to move it before you sell it.



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oldtanker

09-12-2019 08:17:13




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
WOW, what a can of worms.

Are you renting the ground out or just letting them cut hay? May not be yours to give away or sell.

May be considered abandoned property but if so I'll bet that farm stuff like hay has special rules and wait times.

Really need to either get a hold of the guy who baled it or consult an attorney BEFORE proceeding.

Rick



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dr sportster

09-12-2019 08:06:56




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
I'm getting this hay does not belong to you ?



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Russ from MN

09-12-2019 07:42:52




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
Lots of farmers leave the hay sit in the field until the ground freezes to haul it, I don't understand it either! If it's dry enough to bale it's dry enough to get them off the field. I would be out there all night moving them, I have seen it start raining and not quite until it turned to snow!



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1948CaseVAI

09-12-2019 07:40:00




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
As others said, it is not yours to sell.



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4wdtom

09-12-2019 07:16:38




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
If you want the one who baled it to come back another year you had better make sure he doesn't want the hay before selling it to someone else.



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ztrmowers

09-12-2019 07:09:31




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
I SCREWED UP HERE read it wrong you need to get ahold of the one baled it FIRST period, then go from there, its not yours to sell. FORGET MY FIRST POST



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Adirondack case guy

09-12-2019 06:55:06




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
Depends on the initial deal you made with him. In some instances it may legally be his hay that you are trying to sell. It can't be too good if he has chosen to leave it setting in the field that long. You should make a better effort to talk to him, not us.-------------Loren



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K Effective

09-12-2019 06:53:26




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
I would have to talk to the guy who baled it- he may be counting on it for feed this winter and has had a mechanical issue or some other reason he has left them. The number of things that could have caused this is nearly unlimited.

Certainly with a written lease, and to many even without one, the crop belongs to the person tending it- he may have money invested in fertilizer or lime, and certainly has equipment time in harvesting the crop to this point. For you to sell the hay without making some contact with him is not the right thing to do.

That's what I think about that deal.

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ztrmowers

09-12-2019 06:51:11




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 Re: What do you think about this deal? in reply to Red1, 09-12-2019 06:34:25  
looks like you got stuck with them, craig list I tried once not again unless you want trade used tire, boat or whatever for what you have. call that reference you talked about and let them have them



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