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Philip d

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It looks like the manufacturer tried pretty hard to make it look like a John Deere and the grill somewhat resembles CIH. The tag says Yantai. It could be a well built tractor or chances are it isn?t.
Chinese made tractor
 

That is a gray market tractor. The ones that they legally export to the US are badged John Deere.
 
Had a guy down here. Bought one of those gray market generators. Called me to do some repairs. I called a friend to see if he had ever worked on one. He informed me not to touch it. Not legal in the states and you could face jail time for working on it.So I told the owner what he had and why I could not work on it. It went to the junk yard.
 
I'd like for your friend to come up with the legal statue that states its against the law to work on any motor and you're going to jail to for doing the work.
 
Ditto for me TF. It surprises me how many regulations or laws seem to pop up during discussions that don't seem to be remotely possible. This one is a great example. I guess it's just things that people hear in their discussions and they pass them along or in some cases, make them up. Sort of like saying if you make an OT post here on the YT site, they will confiscate one of your tractors ..... ha!
 
Actually I heard about a guy from a person I talked to at an auction that he heard from his 5th cousin's daughter's cellmate the 2nd time she was in prison that actually happened
to her 3rd cousin's brother in law's tractor.(LOL)
 
Traditional Farmer: The only thing I know of that can make gray market equipment illegal is if they do not met emission and safety standards.

I ran into a JD self propelled forage harvester that had been originally sold in Europe and then shipped to the US. It was new enough that it would have had warranty left on it. JD refused to honor any warranty on it. It did not met the US ASAE standards according to JD. The only thing we could find different was in the controls. The header lift switch was backwards than the US models. You pushed it towards the front rather than back to lift the header. Then there were one or two of the safety switched that worked differently. This was a JD 6710 chopper so it had computer control modules. Them and the wiring harness was different. SO not much really different but enough to not met The US standards.

The reason that these choppers were getting shipped over here was the exchange rates made them $50K cheaper on the used market. JD sued enough people that the US customs would not allow them into the US after a period of time.

Right or wrong JD stated reason was since the chopper did not comply with the US safety standards that JD could be held liable it someone was hurt on the gray market machine.

The trouble we had was the chopper had a wiring fire that destroyed the harness and several of the control modules. JD would not sell the parts in the US. It was going to be an expensive repair even if new parts could have been bought. We looked into just switching it to the US sold components. Basically making it like the US sold machines. The insurance company finally just totaled the machine. JD actually bought it off the insurance company. I never could find out where they shipped it to or what they did with it.
 
Yanmar was in a lawsuit back in the 1980's or 1990's over some safety issues on the grey market Yanmar tractors so even today a Yanmar dealer isn't suppose to sell parts to a customer
with a grey market tractor,of course Hoye Tractor has more Yanmar parts than most dealers and they sell to the grey market tractors.At any rate nothing illegal about it.Also individuals
can get exemptions to import vehicles and tractors that don't meet standards for companies to import them.I had a UTB 800 brought over from Europe by an individual, only one I could find
in North America.
 
You sure it was the second time and not the third? Most true info comes from the third visit.
 

He said generator . If the generator lacks the decal and paperwork to be approved for use in Canada or the USA. Don t touch the thing .
 
(quoted from post at 08:29:22 08/07/19) Had a guy down here. Bought one of those gray market generators. Called me to do some repairs. I called a friend to see if he had ever worked on one. He informed me not to touch it. Not legal in the states and you could face jail time for working on it.So I told the owner what he had and why I could not work on it. It went to the junk yard.
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Your friend flunked law school. Nothing whatsoever illegal in fixing equipment. If it was stolen in the states then maybe, but they would have to prove you knew it was stolen, and even then no jurisdiction would fool with charging you. Gray market is not illegal. Dumb to put your money into those products, maybe, but not illegal.
 
Did your friend cite the exact law?

In the mid 1990's when automotive air conditioning was changing from R-12 to R-134, a niece of mine had a 1991 Ford Taurus with an R-12 system that needed servicing. A repair shop in Lincoln, NE told her it was against federal law to service an R-12 system, and that he would be subject to a $10,000 fine if he was caught doing so. He told her all he could do would be to upgrade her system to R-134 at a cost of some $1400. My niece asked me about it, and I told her it was absolute bulls**t, and I could prove it. And I could have.

My niece went to three other repair shops in Lincoln, and they all told her the same story. A large number of repair shops in Lincoln must have all been in cahoots on it. I finally called the owner of a shop that I knew well and he said, "There's nothing illegal about servicing an R-12 system. Send her over, I'll be glad to service it for her".

So she went there and got her R-12 system serviced.

I could write a book on scams repair people tried to pull during the 10 years I was a Claims Adjuster working vehicle service contracts. We Adjusters often talked about it. Considering the scams shops tried to pull on us, knowing we were professionals, we wondered what the heck they were doing to an unsuspecting public.
 
The problem with these tractors is after 5 years and the company goes away where do you get parts ? Friend bought a 130 hp same, mfwd only about 15 years old can?t find parts or anyone that knows anything about it so now he?s gotta a giant paper weight the whole thing Is electronically controlled and nothing on it works won?t even start . Buy a cheap tractor it?s just as good they said
 
Nothing new. China has been reverse engineering free world products for years and then selling them back to us. No need for years of R&D------Loren
 
I stopped by a Kubota dealer I use to work for to get some parts. I ask him about this law. He showed me a letter from Kubota with a list of tractors. They were not allowed to sell parts for. Or they would lose the dealer ship.

I have 47 years dealing with the repair work. I have heard my share of story's. Some real some fake.
 
I was repeating what I was told. So take it for what it is worth.

But I know for a fact. If a back up generator fails. The lawyers come out of the wood work. Looking for someone to hang. I have been
through that many times.
 
I recall one conversation I had with a gal at a Dodge dealership about a Dodge B100 van with a 318ci V8 engine.

After the preliminaries, I asked her the problem. She said an injector failed.

Me: "OK, you need an injector"?

She: "No, we need a complete new engine. We figured a price of $3948.00".

Me: "Why do we need a complete new engine"?

She: "Well, the technician said when the injector failed, it ran rich and when that happens it burns the cylinder out and all you can do is replace the entire engine".

I had to mute my telephone 'til I quit laughing. I then told her she needed to get the vehicle owner's permission to pull the cylinder head on that bank. I told her when they had the cylinder head off, to call me and I would send an inspector to check out the damage. Of course, I never heard from them again.

The sorry part was, a failed injector would have been covered on the contract. The only way out for the dealership to have kept from eating the price of the injector would have been for them to convince the vehicle owner that an injector was NOT covered.

This was everyday stuff. Day after day, we saw shops succumb to greed and outsmart themselves. What this service department obviously intended was to replace the injector and then bill us for a complete engine.

Like I said, I could write a book, and I may, someday.
 
I think I have talked to her.
Your generator didn't start. Because someone removed the battery.
Her We needed that for my daughters car. It has a battery charger. So why didn't it start.
So she called me and idiot and was going to call a real tech.

I think we should write a book.
 
Ouch! Funny on the JD comment.

It seems China will do a mass production of something like this for 5 years, and then they do a different mass production of something a little different for 5 years.

There is no parts support or long term line up for a long, healthy, product line and parts support 20 years from now.

So it becomes cheap and throw away product. You buy it pretty cheap, but it depreciates instantly to scrap value after you own it.

Paul
 
wow where do you people live? we still have a old SAME dealer that gets all the parts he needs lot of them still being used around me know of at least 12.would have 2 places but on guy died 2 years ago
 
I'd never buy one of those new but can be real good bargains when bought used after the original buyer takes the financial hit.Of course I'd never buy any tractor new anyway.None of mine were built in China
BTW they are mostly Japanese built selling under AC,MF,Bolens names but almost all tractor companies had models they sold at one time or another that parts are all but impossible to
come by today and many tractors only supply of parts is from aftermarket sources.Another tactic is to buy a runner and then pick up non runners for cheap because no one wants them
for parts.That way you have your own parts supply plus very rare,hard to find part$ for people needing them.I've done pretty well with the Hinomoto tractors built for MF,AC and Simplicity,good little tractors but hard to find any parts.
 
this hole page sounds like the mobile home tire deal MY brother in law is a DOT inspector for WI dept of trans asked him about mobile home tires that say mobile home us ONLY can they be used on a trailer. ANSWER IS IF IT HAS A [[[DOT NUMBER ON IT YES ]]]BUT THE KICKER IS [[[ALL TIRE HAVE A DOT NUMBER ]]]only reason it says mobile home use only is liability when people put them on trailers . been using them for 50 years and trailer is DOTED every year since it was mandatory 2 or 3 times that it did not pass it was not for tires.
 
No one will even touch it nobody knows anything about it it?s a grey market Agco with all the junk on it I wouldn?t touch it if you gave it to me
 
just like everything else when the us manufacturers move production to china, they open themselves up to being copied, then they complain when cheaply made replicas are on the market. they did it to themselves.
 
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