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Case betters Deere again!!!

big tee

big tee

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I always wondered what they did with all of those wore out water heaters that are taken to the junk yards. Case-IH uses them for mufflers--But it is OK because they were first to do it and they are invisable.---Tee
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A worker on the Case-IH 4-wheel drive assembly line
 
A few years ago while at the farm show in Louisville I asked a Case rep. Do the engineers really think that is safe to try and see around while going down the road? He said "Oh yes sir. It's really not blocking much". As I sat in the cab I had a little different opinion of how much it is blocking.
 
As one who started his career when a 560 IH was thought to be way too big and complicated for the average farmer, this whole generation of technological advances are mind boggling.
 
Thanks to the environmentalist's Those garbage cans are on every diesel. How does an engineer fit one of them under a school bus. Most of the school buses around here are now LP fueled because of all the tier 4 garbage required for diesels. Maybe it is time to perfect Alcohol technology for farm tractors, and farmers could produce their own fuel.
I have to admit that that is REALLY poor engineering. Must have been from across the pond, and used to driving on the wrong side of the road.--------Loren
 
Bruce ..... I thought that every motorized vehicle arriving here from elsewhere is subject to the same conditions that are expected of North American built machinery. So I did some Googling ..... looks like current versions of the big ones are Mercedes powered. I suspect they meet standards, how could they not?
MTZ tractor info
 
You could rent a JD and get one on both sides.


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At least they finally stole a patent from case and got rid of the SOCP. I see they stole Case's patent on tracks now too. Some day they will have to steal a patent on a decent engine so they can quit being the worst large tractor.
 
Hi Loren--The wife is one of our county supervisors and 2 years ago the county bought a new 700 Deere crawler. She asked me if I wanted to go on the gold key tour and watch it come off the assembly line-I jumped at the chance. The engine in the crawler sits down low but the hood is real high-before they put the hood on you could see why--they had 2 or 3 beer kegs for emission control under it-progress?---Tee

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Drivig it off the line.
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The Wife in "OUR" Deere crawler!
 
The catalyst we have at work as as big as that tractor! EPA at work, we use 5000 gallon of urea a week.
 
Wasn't talking to you-little man-shouldn't you be working instead of being on here during "work" hours? Maybe then you could keep a job more than a couple of years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
My work history is well documented here, unlike yours. We know your wife works hard to support you while you sit in your basement being an internet Rambo, but we've never seen any evidence that you actually do anything productive.
 
What does SOCP mean? Also CIH either bought or copied the Omnitrac system. It?s funny how it disappeared just right before the quad track came out.

https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=786303&mid=6793199#M6793199
Omintrac JD 8770
 
The guy from Casselton North Dakota, Lowgren's Mfg, had the patent on what the quad track use's today, what year it all took place, i don't know,, it don't makes no difference to me, Casselton is just 20 miles west of Fargo, I got friends and know people that work there.
 
The fiat had a stack on both sides to but again the fiat must use the invisible paint as the earlier case tractors ? And the quad track never was a case ih patent it was a Steiger . And the versatilie delta track copied the expired patent before John Deere. If the case 4 wheel drive was so great why did they quit building them and buy Steiger to copy everybody else?s articulated design ?
 
Greenenvy, SOCP stands for slightly off center cab post.
I think it would be interesting to see Dennis and Jon sit at a table across from each other and share a nice big juicy steal for 2. HeHe-----Loren
 
Loren I just got off the phone with a friend Called to talk about model tractors asked what he was we doing ? He says going to work on a track hoe asked him what year a Machine it was 2015 I said so is it a emissions problem yes it is
 
The solid frame high hp tractor is far superior to the center pivot design for many things including row crop work, PTO work, and pulling heavy grain carts and such. It's one of the reasons older case 4 wd tractors are highly sought after, and why they still make them.



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This is another design JD eventually copied after holding on to the inferior cambered front axle design that you couldn't run duals on that they had for way too long. Once again JD was several decades late in coming to the table with a usable unit.
 
Yes it is. Started a while back when he was working on a trailer project and several of us offered advice. Rather than be grateful, or just ignore the advice, he started making fun of us for it. After a several of those I got mad and told him that he could either stop poking fun at everyone or I would go through his project and point out all the things he really did that were not up to par. He then accused me of not knowing what I was talking about, so I proved I did. That's when he lost it. I don't know what he did, but he got a temporary ban from the site. Since then he has been after me.
 
I'm more on the construction equipment side of things than the AG side, but emissions, and electronics/computers are causing more problems than anything else now days, based on what I'm seeing and hearing, from my customers.

To make matters worse, the owner is usually stuck having to take the machine to the dealership, and pay through the nose to have the problem repaired....IF they can figure it out.

Throw in human error, like mistakenly putting diesel fuel in the DEF tank, DEF in the hydraulic system, etc, and I imagine the reapai costs associated with all of the new, cost saving technology, is running into the hundreds of millions, if not billions, every year. Like I've told many customers, sure you might save $1000 a year on fuel, but when the system needs $10000 repair within 5 years, and you're also losing money on production while down, you're ultimately losing/spending far more than your saving.
 
Jon is ten times the "man" you will ever be,, these lame attempts at putting down Case is old and very child like, I am sure all of you who do have been put in your place many times by them or you would not continue this jr high school crap, I could write a book about downfalls of jd units,, but why stoop to your level of the mind of a 12 yearold I out grew that over 40 years ago
 
1660-It probably started 3 years ago when he told me with out being asked how much he knew about fixing my trailer--But it really got worse about a year ago when he glorified cursing in one of his "funnies" and he got flamed real bad by myself and a few others. He replied us with babbling and baby talk... Look it up in the archives if you don't believe me. As far s putting down Cases-I have 5 of them--I know what they are! Last week he called me an idiot and accused me of living off my Dad's money in my Mom's basement. This week he accuses me of living off my Wife in her basement. I am surprised that SV Cummins doesn't get a plane ticket to Minn. and look him up as many time as that little man with the big mouth has called him a LIAR! He accuses me of doing nothing but I must be doing some things right. You don't plow up and down the hills and get and award from the governor of Iowa!!!!---Tee----PS. I want to see your book about Deeres.
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Award at Iowa state fair 2 years ago!!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 11:15:30 06/19/19) Jon is ten times the "man" you will ever be,, these lame attempts at putting down Case is old and very child like, I am sure all of you who do have been put in your place many times by them or you would not continue this jr high school crap, I could write a book about downfalls of jd units,, but why stoop to your level of the mind of a 12 yearold I out grew that over 40 years ago
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LOL Case hasn't been Case sense Tenneco bought controlling interest in the company, what around 1970/71? SO from then on the name should have been Tenn or some such. Same with IH. IH died in 1985. When merged with Case it too should have been Tenn or something like that. When the whole works got bought by FIAT....well you know..... :lol: :lol:

Now, You going to tell us that Case made a superior product and the vast majority of farmers prior to 1970 were too stupid to buy Case even though they were often less expensive? Why do you think farmers said CASE stood for Can't Afford Something Else? Heck Case sold about 13,500 930's compared to Farmalls nearly 43,000 806's in 1/3rd the time? And JD sold nearly 75,000 of it's closest competitor? So according to you out of about 130,000 farmers only 13,500 were smart enough to buy a Case?

So who's stooping to low levels? :twisted:

Rick[/b]
 
(quoted from post at 11:15:30 06/19/19) Jon is ten times the "man" you will ever be,, these lame attempts at putting down Case is old and very child like, I am sure all of you who do have been put in your place many times by them or you would not continue this jr high school crap, I could write a book about downfalls of jd units,, but why stoop to your level of the mind of a 12 yearold I out grew that over 40 years ago
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For what it's worth? I kinda like Case tractors. Really like the 70 series. Like IH too along with some JD's. Like the 30's looks but I've never run one. I think the early VAC's and stuff are just as UGLY as the letter series Farmalls.

Really like the some of the CASEIH tractors too. Some of the best I've ever run. Run some pretty decent JD's too.

Rick
 
You and sv are very much alike in that you don't mind taking a couple steps back from the truth. As far as language goes, you are the only one I'm aware of that thought the funny was anything other than a funny. As as far as employment goes, you first made blatantly false claims about my employment in spite of my employment being well documented here. Then much like sv, you cry like a baby when you get the same back. Today you made another blatantly false claim about my employment in spite of just having been informed of the truth just a short while ago, and again you're crying like a baby when you get it back.


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Anyone else think this is getting old. Two grown guys arguing like like kid...I got 4 teenagers and a 3 year old at home and it's never this bad! It's one thing to make fun of tractor brands but I do t believe in putting dowm people their families or their career.I run mostly deere equipment and it has its trouble.....30 series 4x4s!! Case just never had much for dealers in the area so not many around. The best most trouble free tractor on the farm is dads old D 17.
 
Only true great 4x4s of the yesteryear era was Steiger and Versatile. JD 30-50 series and Case crabsteers belong in the same category as in mediocre on their best day. We also have a D-17 and it?s alright but I would take about 3-4 non green tractors ahead of it.
 
There were a couple different companies making add on rubber tracks for 4 wheel drive tractors in the 80s. CIH did nothing special other then offer the tracks from the factory though they lead you to believe they invented them much like JD does on the green side. What?s funny ever since the quadtrack came out in the 90s we never saw one promotional post card or pamphlet in the mail. Since the JD quad has been on the market, we now have gotten a whole bunch of material from CNH through the mail on their quad. Seems they are now worried we are going to buy a JD even though we have no interest in either red or green quad tracks.
 
I rarely post but read the forums everyday and, yes, it is getting old. These two guys; SV and Big Tee, must not have a life if getting even with someone they don't even know over the internet means so much to them.
I hope that the moderators will step in.
 
And for what it's worth Cat worked on a quad track design for a loader way back in either the very late 50's or early 60's. Steel track design because of tire issues in mining conditions. About the time Cat was ready to produce it they (tire companies) got the tire (much cheaper) problem under control. So while Deere may have imitated the CaseIH Quad? CaseIH Copied Cat! :lol: :lol:

Same with the guys who want to claim firsts in tractors. First US diesel farm tractor? Cat. Yea it was a crawler on steel but it was an AG tractor. First US tractor with a turbo was Cat too, also on steel tracks.

Heck the only long standing brands are JD and Cat. All the others failed or were bought out. Does that mean that they were better? Or just had better management at a given moment in time? And seeing as neither Cat or Deere bred and raised senior management that was just luck of the draw.

Rick
 
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