International Farmall 656 questions

My father in law has a International Farmall 656 tractor. I know from brochures that it produces about 65 HP. I am having trouble find out how much Torque the engine produces as I expect it to be a lot more than the HP. Please advise where I might find this detail.

I am also looking for a picture of the original dash board (instrument cluster) around the steering wheel. I am not sure what some of the controls do or were originally intended to do.

Just to the left of the steering wheel is a medium size lever. I am told it is a Torque Converter. What is that supposed to do?

Please advise.
 
tractor engines are not rated in torque lbs just HP drawbar and on older ones belt HP New tractors built today don't have belt pulleys instead they use PTO for getting power to an attachment.
 
Your easiest, best and most complete source of information might be to just get an operators manual. Used ones are available for low cost on ebay.
 


Thanks for your response. The 656 has a PTO. That is interesting to me because while the 656 has 65 hp, I bet that 4.3L strait 6 produces 250 Ib Ft of Torque. Its really strong!
 
Horsepower = Torque x RPM / 5252

doing the algebra magic solving for torque, you get:

Torque = Horsepower * 5252 / RPM

Maximum PTO horsepower for the 656 gasoline on the Nebraska test was 63.85HP at 1800RPM. 186 ft-lbs of torque.
 

Thanks for the mathematical calculation! That makes sense to me and would be about what I experience when driving it! I think it is interesting that they never advertised that because that the engine is much stronger than 64 hp represents.
 
I am not an International expert, but I believe the lever you are referring to is the "Torque Amplifier". It is a 2 speed shift on the go that doesn't require using the clutch. It effectively gives you 10 forward speeds and 2 reverse.
 
(quoted from post at 09:33:00 06/11/19) I am not an International expert, but I believe the lever you are referring to is the "Torque Amplifier". It is a 2 speed shift on the go that doesn't require using the clutch. It effectively gives you 10 forward speeds and 2 reverse.

That's cool. So I guess just push it forward or backward while in gear? Please advise what you think.
 
Yep shift on the fly high low. You don't ease it in, just shift it.
DIESEL
International Harvester D-282
diesel
6-cylinder
liquid-cooled
282 ci [4.6 L]
Bore/Stroke: 3.6875x4.39 inches [94 x 112 mm]
Air cleaner: dry
Compression: 17.6:1
Rated RPM: 1800 (early)
2300 (later)
Firing order: 1-5-3-6-2-4
Starter volts: 12
Oil capacity: 9 qts [8.5 L]
Coolant capacity: 21.5 qts [20.3 L]
GAS

International Harvester C-263
gasoline
6-cylinder
liquid-cooled
263 ci [4.3 L]
Bore/Stroke: 3.5625x4.39 inches [90 x 112 mm]
Air cleaner: dry
Compression: 7.6:1
Rated RPM: 1800
Starter volts: 12
Oil capacity: 9 qts [8.5 L]
Coolant capacity: 20.5 qts [19.4 L]


Both gas and diesel:

PTO (claimed): 63 hp [47.0 kW]
Plows: 4-5
Drawbar (tested): 53.23 hp [39.7 kW]
PTO (tested): 66.06 hp [49.3 kW]

All according to tractordata/Nebraska tests.

Rick
 
Do a search on "TractorData.com" then search for FARMALL, and a list of all Farmalls should appear,
highlite 560 and a general information page comes up. Under the picture of a 560 Farmall at the top will
be several sub-catagories, like Engine, Transmission, Dimensions, Photos, and TESTS. HIT TESTS. The
results of each Nebraska tractor test of a 560 Farmall will be listed, one for gasoline, diesel, and LP
gas, towards the bottom is a link to the actual final report published by the Nebraska tractor test lab.
In the late 1950's when the 560 was tested they did a peak engine torque test. Typically IH engines did
really well on this test. The technical name for this is "Torque Rise", as the load increases and the
engine pulls down in rpm it pulls harder, torque actually increases 20 to 30%, sometimes 40%. It
eliminates pulling the Torque Amplifier lever back to the low side. The 4-cylinder gasoline engines
produced before the 560, the 450 and 400 models were amazing, rated rpm was 1450 rpm, torque peak was
750 to 770 rpm, and the torque produced at 750 rpm was substantially higher than the torque at 1450.

Combine an IH engine with the Torque Amplifier and it was surprising the work you got done in a day.
 
(quoted from post at 11:34:37 06/11/19) Do a search on "TractorData.com" then search for FARMALL, and a list of all Farmalls should appear,
highlite 560 and a general information page comes up. Under the picture of a 560 Farmall at the top will
be several sub-catagories, like Engine, Transmission, Dimensions, Photos, and TESTS. HIT TESTS. The
results of each Nebraska tractor test of a 560 Farmall will be listed, one for gasoline, diesel, and LP
gas, towards the bottom is a link to the actual final report published by the Nebraska tractor test lab.
In the late 1950's when the 560 was tested they did a peak engine torque test. Typically IH engines did
really well on this test. The technical name for this is "Torque Rise", as the load increases and the
engine pulls down in rpm it pulls harder, torque actually increases 20 to 30%, sometimes 40%. It
eliminates pulling the Torque Amplifier lever back to the low side. The 4-cylinder gasoline engines
produced before the 560, the 450 and 400 models were amazing, rated rpm was 1450 rpm, torque peak was
750 to 770 rpm, and the torque produced at 750 rpm was substantially higher than the torque at 1450.

Combine an IH engine with the Torque Amplifier and it was surprising the work you got done in a day.

So you have just hit on "why" I am asking the question. That 656 is so strong it will pull a whole tree without any issue. I was telling this to a friend and he commented that 65 HP seemed low to be pulling trees around. The HP does not match up with the Torque produced. So I will try to find the Torque Rise on the 656 or load testing. Thanks for your input!
 
Hook it to a 4 bottom plow, like most brands of 65HP tractors pulled, and tell us how great it is. Torque
doesn't pull the load; weight and traction do. The TA (Torque Amplifier)was added to those tractors because
they didn't have the engine lugging ability that other tractors had.
I pull 24"x30 ft. logs out of the
woods with a 24HP Kubota compact 4wd tractor. Logs aren't that much of a load.--------Loren
 
The concepts of torque and power cause a lot of confusion. You can't say that an engine has more of one than the other since they are different things with different units of measure. As
the equation someone else showed indicates torque is an element of power along with rotational speed. In order to do work with an engine you must apply a force (using torque) and deliver
it at some rate (using rpm). Either element by itself can do no work and this is why power is the true measure of an engine's capability. The other thing to keep in mind that the "apply
a force" stated above means at the point of doing work, not at the crankshaft. For drawbar work the point of doing the work is where the tires meets the ground. In this case the maximum
torque rating of the engine is irrelevant since for any given vehicle speed the greatest possible axle torque (and thus the force at the ground) is obtained when the engine is operating at
its power peak, not the torque peak, and is taking advantage of the torque multiplication in the transmission. It is for this reason that tractors and other machines are rated by power
and the torque rating is rarely listed. (Pickup trucks are an exception to this but that is largely a marketing thing.) The engine speed at which peak power is produced tells you whether
the engine is a low speed "lugger" or a high speed "racer". If peak power is in the 1800-2500 rpm range, which includes most all tractors, it by definition means that the engine must be
able to deliver high torque in the 1000-1500 rpm range but the thing to remember is that it is the combination of torque and speed (in other words, power) that gets work done.
 
Get an Operator's Manual. It will have all the info that you need regarding the controls. You can order a new reprint manual from right here on YT. Look near top left corner of this page. Under market place , click tractor parts , then click manuals.
Regarding the use of 656 Torque Amplifier, DO NOT pull the lever rearward while going down hill! It is just like pushing in the clutch ! Tractor will freewheel going faster. TA can over rev and disintegrate .
 
(quoted from post at 20:24:48 06/11/19) The concepts of torque and power cause a lot of confusion. You can't say that an engine has more of one than the other since they are different things with different units of measure. As
the equation someone else showed indicates torque is an element of power along with rotational speed. In order to do work with an engine you must apply a force (using torque) and deliver
it at some rate (using rpm). Either element by itself can do no work and this is why power is the true measure of an engine's capability. The other thing to keep in mind that the "apply
a force" stated above means at the point of doing work, not at the crankshaft. For drawbar work the point of doing the work is where the tires meets the ground. In this case the maximum
torque rating of the engine is irrelevant since for any given vehicle speed the greatest possible axle torque (and thus the force at the ground) is obtained when the engine is operating at
its power peak, not the torque peak, and is taking advantage of the torque multiplication in the transmission. It is for this reason that tractors and other machines are rated by power
and the torque rating is rarely listed. (Pickup trucks are an exception to this but that is largely a marketing thing.) The engine speed at which peak power is produced tells you whether
the engine is a low speed "lugger" or a high speed "racer". If peak power is in the 1800-2500 rpm range, which includes most all tractors, it by definition means that the engine must be
able to deliver high torque in the 1000-1500 rpm range but the thing to remember is that it is the combination of torque and speed (in other words, power) that gets work done.

Thank you for your response.
 

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