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Ellis Kinney

Ellis Kinney

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I was down in North Carolina over the weekend. Near the point that fits between Georgia and Tennessee. The gas station I filled up at had 4 grades. Regular,
89 and 93 with 10% ethanol. It also had 100% gas at 87 octane. Wish I had several cans to fill up for my M Farmalls. I didn't know real gas was still
available. Ellis
 
If you hav been running 10% ethanol, there is no advantage to using pure gasoline. In my experience the real issue is changing from old leaded gasoline to ethanol blends. Contrary to some on here, I believe the shelf life is just the same as 100%, unless confronted with radical water amounts. Which are just as bad for a system. I have been using Ethanol b lends in my old vehicles including 51 GMC pu, 57 Willis Jeep, garden tillers, lawn mowers chainsaws and multiple farm tractors for 25 years with no issues. Jim
 
Jim, I'm not convinced it's the water so much as the evaporation factor.

Kept in a sealed container, or a sealed late model tank, sealed inside a fuel injection system, it seems to last indefinitely.

Even some carbureted systems seem to handle it well, some don't. I believe it goes back to evaporation, some are sealed better.

Then there is the attack on neoprene components...
 
janicholson,

I have read a lot of posts that you and others expressed here. Mostly I am amazed at the intellect behind the posting.

I am in slight disagreement about ethanol, and it's supposedly benign nature.

Long term, humid conditions, vented tanks, etc...phase separation occurs.

I still fill my tanks with ethanol blended gasoline, but not for small, occasionally used gas engines.

https://petroclear.com/resources/dont-be-phased.php

Not an endorsement or advertisement of mine.

D.
 
Hi we are lucky here. Our bulk dealer has marked farm gas with no ethanol. I use the regular marked in my pickup but I use the pure marked in my small engines and 26hp briggs lawn mowers. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
Some of the local Ohio bellstores have "recreational gas" no ethanol and a lot higher in price.
 
(quoted from post at 10:20:00 05/21/19) janicholson,

I have read a lot of posts that you and others expressed here. Mostly I am amazed at the intellect behind the posting.

I am in slight disagreement about ethanol, and it's supposedly benign nature.

Long term, humid conditions, vented tanks, etc...phase separation occurs.

I still fill my tanks with ethanol blended gasoline, but not for small, occasionally used gas engines.

https://petroclear.com/resources/dont-be-phased.php

Not an endorsement or advertisement of mine.

D.
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The supposedly "benign" nature of ethanol is a direct result of opinions expressed on discussion forums. My experience with ethanol is the same as Jnicholson's
 
Here in south-central Minnesota, quite a few stations sell non-ethanol gas for boaters and others running recreational machines. It's 91 octane and costs about 60 cents a gallon more than 87 ethanol. That's a bargain that helps keep my two-stroke engines running. I started using it two or three years ago and have found my machines (chainsaws in particular) are much easier to start after sitting for a few weeks if I've failed to drain the tanks after using.
 
(quoted from post at 10:04:55 05/21/19) If you hav been running 10% ethanol, there is no advantage to using pure gasoline. In my experience the real issue is changing from old leaded gasoline to ethanol blends. Contrary to some on here, I believe the shelf life is just the same as 100%, unless confronted with radical water amounts. Which are just as bad for a system. I have been using Ethanol b lends in my old vehicles including 51 GMC pu, 57 Willis Jeep, garden tillers, lawn mowers chainsaws and multiple farm tractors for 25 years with no issues. Jim
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Yep, mr environmental sciences instructor. Believe what you want. What you claim and what I saw working as a mechanic is 2 different things.

For example, why did they change over to hardened valve seats in engines? Because they removed lead from gas. No big deal. Made the valve system better. What replace lead as an anti knock agent? Ethanol. Neatly fits your agenda. You are a teacher. Research it. No, not in a biased format like "earth News" or whatever. Regular gas without booze in it will store without additional additives for as much as a year. Gas with ethanol starts to go bad at 6 months. Plus the amount of pollution to produce each gallon of ethanol is astounding.

So go sell that line to people who want to hear that nonsense.

Rick
 
Reply to my own post: After reading this thread, I thought, what the heck, so I dragged out my tiny old Remington 14-inch saw from the 1970s. I had given up on it ever running again back in the early 1980s, and it has sat in my machine shed, unused, for more than 30 years. So, with nothing to lose but a pint of fuel, I put a non-ethanol 2-stroke mix in it and let it sit for a couple of hours. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it, but it started up on about the third pull, killed, then restarted on the first pull and ran well at idle and higher speed. Was it because of the 91 non-ethanol? Would 87 ethanol have achieved the same result? Chainsaw gods at work? Simply had a good three-decade rest? I don't know and don't care, but now it runs, to my utter amazement.
 
I think how well ethanol works for you or doesn't work is very conditional. It is not one size fits all. As mentioned below evaporation and moisture are the killers.

An old tractor kept outside in the sun during the summer will have problems. Non sealed gas tank warms up during the day, low level volatiles evaporate and escape from the tank. At night the tank cools down and pulls in humid air and moisture condenses out. Repeat day after day. After a few weeks you have the heavy compounds of gas left and lots of moisture. Yes you have a problem.

Same tractor kept inside over the winter and the gas is fine for months. Low evaporation rates and low moisture getting into the tank. You don't have a problem.

If the tank is sealed like a modern car then problems also go away. Tank is also under the car and less susceptible to heating up in the sun.
 
I agree with Jim, we use E-10 in all of our 4 stroke engines, in our Farmall C I put a quart of diesel in every 5 gallons of E-10 just because it seems to like it, and thinking it will reduce gas tank corrosion. In plastic tanks like everything else has, straight E-10. Our Honda outboard is running fine on last years E-10, I think we have better gas in MN! What did people blame their problems on before we had E-10?
 
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(quoted from post at 10:04:55 05/21/19) If you hav been running 10% ethanol, there is no advantage to using pure gasoline. In my experience the real issue is changing from old leaded gasoline to ethanol blends. Contrary to some on here, I believe the shelf life is just the same as 100%, unless confronted with radical water amounts. Which are just as bad for a system. I have been using Ethanol b lends in my old vehicles including 51 GMC pu, 57 Willis Jeep, garden tillers, lawn mowers chainsaws and multiple farm tractors for 25 years with no issues. Jim
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Yep, mr environmental sciences instructor. Believe what you want. What you claim and what I saw working as a mechanic is 2 different things.

For example, why did they change over to hardened valve seats in engines? Because they removed lead from gas. No big deal. Made the valve system better. What replace lead as an anti knock agent? Ethanol. Neatly fits your agenda. You are a teacher. Research it. No, not in a biased format like "earth News" or whatever. Regular gas without booze in it will store without additional additives for as much as a year. Gas with ethanol starts to go bad at 6 months. Plus the amount of pollution to produce each gallon of ethanol is astounding.

So go sell that line to people who want to hear that nonsense.

Rick
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So I should immediately drain the one year old ethanol gas from my Farmall H, even though it starts easy and runs like a top? For what it's worth, I've also got 2 five gallon cans of E10 setting out in the shop. Been setting there for over one year. It is just fine, and will probably get used sometime this summer.
 
(quoted from post at 13:04:55 05/21/19) If you hav been running 10% ethanol, there is no advantage to using pure gasoline. In my experience the real issue is changing from old leaded gasoline to ethanol blends. Contrary to some on here, I believe the shelf life is just the same as 100%, unless confronted with radical water amounts. Which are just as bad for a system. I have been using Ethanol b lends in my old vehicles including 51 GMC pu, 57 Willis Jeep, garden tillers, lawn mowers chainsaws and multiple farm tractors for 25 years with no issues. Jim
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ur experiences differ! :x
 
(quoted from post at 12:33:15 05/21/19)
(quoted from post at 10:04:55 05/21/19) If you hav been running 10% ethanol, there is no advantage to using pure gasoline. In my experience the real issue is changing from old leaded gasoline to ethanol blends. Contrary to some on here, I believe the shelf life is just the same as 100%, unless confronted with radical water amounts. Which are just as bad for a system. I have been using Ethanol b lends in my old vehicles including 51 GMC pu, 57 Willis Jeep, garden tillers, lawn mowers chainsaws and multiple farm tractors for 25 years with no issues. Jim
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Yep, mr environmental sciences instructor. Believe what you want. What you claim and what I saw working as a mechanic is 2 different things.

For example, why did they change over to hardened valve seats in engines? Because they removed lead from gas. No big deal. Made the valve system better. What replace lead as an anti knock agent? Ethanol. Neatly fits your agenda. You are a teacher. Research it. No, not in a biased format like "earth News" or whatever. Regular gas without booze in it will store without additional additives for as much as a year. Gas with ethanol starts to go bad at 6 months. Plus the amount of pollution to produce each gallon of ethanol is astounding.

So go sell that line to people who want to hear that nonsense.

Rick
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Just a little salty there aren't we??
 
I have been using E10 for 30 years on different Tractor, Car, Pick up, Truck, lawn mower etc, combine, swather with no trouble except for a fuel filter sometimes.
 
So, how does ethanol that is aged upwards of 7 years to make whiskey, suddenly go bad in 6 months if it is used as fuel? In my experience, people tend to blame the results of poor maintenance on ethanol in fuel.
 
How do I cash in on those financial benefits??? I don't have problems with regular pump gas in my equipment from saws to tractors.---------Loren
 
Filled my 2000 Dakota with some E85 the other day. I've ran it before with no problems and fill with it when I am at that station. Didn't notice any side effects as to how it ran. Filled up again today with E10 as usual and the mileage was the same as running E10. Difference in price was E10 $2.65 and E 85 was $2.39. I have E10 in my generator that has sat for over a year and it will start on the second pull. Have it in all the tractors except the big pulling G. 120 octane in it.
 
Alcohol loves water. If it can get enough out of the atmosphere, it separates from the gas it is mixed in. THEN its bad news.

2 cycle engines will scream on it. For a short while. The oil won't mix with the ethanol. Then its off to the store for a new trimmer.
 
This last winter I worked on a customer tractor that would not start for me because it had water in the carb from tank condensation. Someone had convinced him to put regular gas in the tank instead of ethanol. I havent had water in my gas tractor carbs since I started using ethanol thirty years ago. This tractor had me stumped until I figured it out. I had not seen water in a carb for so long it just skipped my mind.
 
I sur wish I was "benefiting from the sale and usage" of ethanol. I own nary a penny of stock related to ethanol production.

I am a retired old coot and I use ethanol...use it in H Farmall, 30 Cockshutt, 3 JD mowers, etc.

"Everyone hates the stuff"???? Everyone? Really? Hates? Who? Where? When? Why? HA!
LA in WI
 
I'm going to the liquor store today for a bottle of everclear, which is 95% pure ethanol. Throw a chunk of brand new fuel line in it and see if these claims of ethanol melting rubber are true.

I know regular gasoline will melt rubber if left for decades and decades... Neighbor gave me a Stihl 015 saw that hadn't been run since the 1980's and every rubber part was the consistency of pudding. We didn't start seeing ethanol gas around here until the late 1990's and then only in a few stations. It wasn't universal until after 2000, so I know that saw had not seen a drop.
 

Before Ethanol, we used "HEET" to remedy moisture issues and prevent gas line freeze ups in the winter. HEET is alcohol. Same as ethanol. I've not needed any HEET even since I started using E10 almost 40 years ago.
 
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