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An electric drive truck w/ 450 hp electric motors, 80 mile range is being proposed to be built in Lordstown, OH if GM can close the assembly plant sale to an electric truck company from Ohio. Only one unit has been produced so far. It has it's own 1.5 liter gasoline charging motor for the Li -Ion batterys under the hood. None of these have been sold on the open market yet. Can you see farmers tooling around out to to their corn planters in one of these when (if) they go on sale 2-3 years?
 
Why does anyone need 450 HP? It seems like we got around just fine with 200. I guess everyone wants 0-60 in 4 seconds and be able to pull an overloaded 5th wheel 80 mph on the freeway!
 
From what I have seen with the Tesla cars any farmer could get there VERY fast. Amazing takeoff speed. Part of me wants to say this is going to be an amazing future or after i am gone this country will be a smoking heap of busted ideas that just never panned out. I know things always change but evrything going to electric just looks a little too rosy glasses. Maybe we need warp drive or flux capacitors. Look what they did during WWII with wood boilers on vehicles. You can still buy them. Look at the Dodge pickup.
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more then likely a price tag of 80k and I can only go 80 miles really I can ride my 4 wheeler that far
 
It will just be another "company" that the CEO's suck up federal, state, and local subsidies, pocket the money, then fold up without ever producing a truck. Much like Carbon Motors did to Connersville Indiana, or the current going scam of Elio Motors.
 
The 2 to 4 times the price of a gas vehicle and short range is a high price to pay for going green.i would think it would be ok for local/short distance driving.just remember look out at battery replacement time!$$$
 
Well most of us scoff at the idea of having such a vehicle as a farm truck. BUT, did not farmers think that way when rubber tires showed up for farm tractors? No way they would ever replace steel, who could possibly even consider rubber tires on farm tractors being the norm. Just a passing fad. As Dylan said .... the times they are a changing !!!
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to build a SMALL electric pickup? Less weight etc. I don't understand the Mfgs. building huge , non gas efficient useless 4 door trucks. In Europe, most vehicles get 40 -60 MPG (mandated-wisely) due to the cost of fuel. Here, gas is around $6 per US gal. In Vancouver it is $7. Just nutz !
 
Seems like the hybrid vehicles are doing ok in sales and practical use compared to straight battery vehicles
 
I went to a national car show in Chicago in 2006 -- every car imaginable was there -- stopped by the Chevy display along with a very pretty girl was a hydrogen powered car -- she told me GM would have them on sale by 2009 -- didnt happen -- 10 years later still nothing of the sort -- She told me She had a car on display(pointing to some little 1500LB car) and told Me it would get up to 35 miles per gallon ! I said so what ! I have a Chevette diesel that gets 45 to 50 mpg -- She said is that really possible -- Yep and it was made in 1982!! Oh My She said -- She was clueless -- bought out by who??? Roy
 
If they can get buses to go 200 miles why would they only be able to get 80 out of a pickup I guess maybe they can put bigger batteries in a bus
 
80 miles will get me to the nearest tiny town, but not home again. Can't even get to the nearest McDonald's or Walmart with an 80 mile range, much less the round trip back!

With current gas & diesel trucks having a new price tag of $40,000 (bargain basement model) and up, I'd sure hate to see what kind of price they'd mark on those things!

I'll take a 1980's or 1990's truck ANY day of the week!!
 
A plant that size has a tremendous overhead. The Workhorse company doesn?t have enough cash to pay the light bill, much less buy the plant. The metric used is 85% capacity. If it more than 85%, they make money, lots of it. Less than 85% they lose lots of money.
 
Not really, rrman61.

They have a trivial market share. Still, much larger than all electric.

Dean
 
What about the electrical infrastructure needed to charge the batteries. Nobody is discussing that, just worrying about cow flatulence.
 
When I was traveling to other countries outside the US if you backed the taxes out charged on fuel prices were not that much different.

Jim
 
Bingo, Paul.

Can't build enough wind mills to charge hundreds of millions of electric cars, let alone trucks.

There is no free lunch.

Dean
 
It gets pretty COLD here in the winter, how do they heat and /or cool it? And how does the heat/cool affect the range?
Yes, I will stick to my 2 gas trucks. joe
 
Lot of things people are not considering here.

1 Most pickups sold in the US are not purchased by farmers. Heck they are selling about 2.5 million new full sized pickups a year. Consider that there are only 3.5 million farmers? 80% of those trucks were purchased by people who will A, never drive them off of pavement and B never haul a load with it. It's a status symbol. So people looking to make a political statement and seeking that status symbol will be the buyers or an electric truck.

2 Raising taxes on gas to force people to use mass transit may work in small European countries but here in the US? Not a chance. To start with we don't have the mass transit infrastructure. It would take decades to build and even more decades to get enough people to use it enough to offset the pollution created in building that mass transit system. Going to have to have track-age running to every small town to force the taxes. Won't work if we have to drive 25 miles to town to use mass transit.

3 Currently electric powered vehicles are a novelty. About 250,000 sell each year out of the 16-17 million new vehicles sold. Plus as someone pointed out large areas of the US, especially city areas already have an issue with the electrical grid. If everyone starts plugging cars it they are done. 3rd world status with rolling blackouts as the norm.

4 Most of the materials to make a battery has to be strip mined. Plus the processing of that raw material pollutes. For some (not all) batteries that material is mined. Sent to 3rd world countries to process with the finished produce shipped back here to be made into components, shipped back to a 3rd world country to be assembled and filled with chemicals then finally shipped back to the US. And that's environmentally friendly? Plus if you pay attention most battery powered cars cost the same to operate over 5 years as the same sized gas car. That's figuring in the greatly reduced trade value or cost of replacing batteries plus charging (electric bill). Then when people complain about the much shorter operating range in cold weather? They respond with "Don't run the heater"?

I'm not saying that this stuff isn't in our future. But it's not going to take over in the near future.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 18:49:27 05/08/19) Well most of us scoff at the idea of having such a vehicle as a farm truck. BUT, did not farmers think that way when rubber tires showed up for farm tractors? No way they would ever replace steel, who could possibly even consider rubber tires on farm tractors being the norm. Just a passing fad. As Dylan said .... the times they are a changing !!!
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Exactly.

Change, as the saying goes, does NOT come like we seem to expect it--crashing loudly through the front door in broad daylight.

Change comes quietly, through the side entrance, and once it's here, we say that it must have come in the dead of night because nobody saw when it actually came.

Grouse
 
450 electrical hp sounds like a stretch......just like you see on shop vacs and other appliances that advertise some bogus "peak hp" rating and yet it plugs into a wall outlet. The wattage they draw vs. the math doesn't pan out.

If you rode a 450hp electric motor you'd look like Slim Pickens riding the bomb in Dr. Strangelove
 
The battery deal is dirty business. The environmentalists don't like to talk about that part of the deal.

Also not mentioned is Tesla's goals alone would eat most of the world's know supply of cobalt by 2025. There's not enough for
every vehicle on the planet to be replaced with li-ion tech batteries.
 

If it has a 1.5 liter engine to charge the battery why does it have a stated range of 80 miles. Does the vehicle need to be parked before the engine can charge it?
 
It is like a hybrid electric vehicle. If you run out of all battery power after 80 miles, you have the auxiliary gas engine which extends the range of the vehicle to the gas tank capacity which is 250 miles. Certainly you are not going to have as much power available with a 1.5 liter i c engine meant as a back up power source, but you will hopefully get you to where you need to be. This appears to be hybrid electric technology as used in cars only in a bigger vehicle with higher hp electric motors.
 
Why do they make electric vehicles look so stupid? I'll stick with my 2000 f250 7.3 diesel.,221,000 on it now, only needed a water pump, and 2 altanators, by the way, I do plug it in, if I want to start it in the winter! With a 40 gallon tank I can go more than 80 miles.
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Wife had a 2009 Ford Taurus X that a deer jumped out in front of, it was paid off and had 230k on the clock. It was totaled and we bought her a 2019 Honda Insight hybrid. Went from 20 mpg to 49.5 mpg. Instantly more than doubled the fuel economy.

I think small trucks will eventually get to the same point. Most farmers will opt for what they need though, heavier load and towing capacities... but by the time they make a hybrid 3/4 or one ton and duallies, they will cost more than a damn house. So I think that it will stay light truck technology for a long time
 
Bet it takes a little while to get that one going. I will not make jokes. Just how far someone needed to go to get the job done.
 
I think AOC is going to get Uncle to give us all one, who knows how they are going to pay for them.
 
About 15 minutes...but when you got no gas.....what ever works. My dad built this unit in the 80s. He used a similar outfit in Holland during WW2
Ben
 
Heard on the local Ohio news this morning that this deal all hinges around if Workhorse gets a contract to make postal vehicles. AM General has had a long term relationship with the post office so they would have to beat or cheat them out to get in.
 
What most of you miss is that it took a lot of BAD ideas to get us to where we are today. A lot of money wasted. A lot of lies told. A lot of lives lost, even. The modern automobile did not just sprout out of the ground like a stalk of corn.

It's going to take a lot of BAD ideas to get us to what's coming next.

Everybody expects a home run the first at bat, a miracle cure to the world's troubles on the first try. That's not how it works. You can only figure on paper/computer so much before you have to throw the idea out there and see if it works in the real world.
 
So. . . we kind of started out with steam power in this country. That based on an external-combustion engine. Then we switched to the internal combustion engine. And now? With electric motors we are back to a very convoluted external combustion engine. Electric truck will mostly run on coal being burned elsewhere to make the electricity to run it. This is supposed to be an advance?
 
Another thing most people are missing. Even if it's a hybrid the batteries are heavy. Just what are you going to carry in that electric truck that's already hauling 1200 pounds or so of battery? 1200 is currently on the lite side and the weight of the battery in a Tesla using lithium ion batteries. So a pickup that can haul 2000 pounds is now reduced to 800? That isn't going to work well for farmers or construction crews.

Rick
 
There is no Magic Bullet it takes fuel/energy of some type to move people and loads of whatever around.Electric as said still has to have electricity generated to keep them going plus large
very heavy batteries with limited loads and distance they can travel.A non starter as far as I can see.Seems like someone would be working on running vehicles off natural gas
since it doesn't pollute like other fuels and we have loads of it here in the USA and it very reasonably priced.
 

They are trying to stop the subsidy for electric vehicles. I wish they would get it done and stop this nonsense. I hope every one of those catches fire.
 
One thing about maintaining a company shooting for an unknown electric truck market is the capital needed. This company is way, way under what they need from what I read, possibly a reason they are not in production mode at present. They recently got 35,000,000 dollars from a wall street venture capital company to keep them going. Think of how much capital Tesla is burning through to stay afloat. So the poster saying they badly need a huge sales contract to keep this GM deal going is probably correct. The haul capacity on the truck is 2200 and suggested retail is projected at 53,000.
 
As I understand it, they are working on a contract with the Post Office to use these trucks. We all know how well the P.O. works.
 
(quoted from post at 06:57:06 05/09/19) As I understand it, they are working on a contract with the Post Office to use these trucks. We all know how well the P.O. works.
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The Post Office works extremely well. There aren't too many organizations that work as efficiently.

You Luddites are going to be crying in your beer when China floods our nation with top quality electric vehicles. But just go ahead and stick your head in the sand.

These first vehicles are baby steps. Like the Model T and the other early vehicles. But your daddies and granddaddies predicted the end of civilization due to them.

Once a manufacture come up with a 300 mile range truck, the diesel for day run and peddle runs is going to disappear totally.

Instead of Naysaying and bemoaning the inevitable, why don't you guys get out in front and urge your elected representatives to promote and fund electric vehicle research and development? Possibly the your grandchildren won't be beholden to Asia for their technological breakthrough's.
 
A lot of people don't fully understand the benefits/drawbacks of electric cars. Here's some thoughts:


They are not for everyone.

Most still have a gas engine in them, so yes, you can still drive straight thru to Florida.

For many people, being able to drive 80 miles in one day on a land-based charge is a do-able thing.

The gas engine works as a portable generator to top off the battery. It runs independant of the car's gas pedal. A smaller engine can be used because it runs at a constant heavy load to charge the battery. Driving thru the city, you go from idle to road speed & back again. Your current 300 hp engine is rarely called upon for its fullest capacity.

As mentioned earlier, many trucks are rarely used as truck, and never get a work out. Even YOUR truck, how much of your monthly travel is done with no cargo, and realistically, a small fuel efficient car would get the job done?

Electric vehicles are still in their infancy. They may or may not some day rule the world. There is still lots to learn.

Many electric vehicles may look funny, but the designers are trying to make the most efficient shape & weight to speed down the road, which directly impacts mileage. Many trucks get poor mileage, partially due to the lack of smooth aero-dynamics. Aggressive looks sell.

Cost drives everything. Back 10 years ago when gas spiked $5, the truck market plummeted and everyone was looking for fuel economy. A lot of money was sunk into battery technology. Gas came back down, and it became tolerable to drive your truck/SUV again.

We did run the numbers one time. It costs about $2 to charge an electric car battery at home. If you can get 80 miles out of it, with the current gas prices here in Michigan, that equates to a gas car getting almost 100 miles to the gallon.

Interesting subject.....
 
China has "Flooded" our country with Junk,,efficient High quality products will not come from China. Electric vehicles will be in the future..
 
(quoted from post at 08:44:31 05/09/19) China has "Flooded" our country with Junk,,efficient High quality products will not come from China. Electric vehicles will be in the future..
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China floods our country with whatever the contract calls for. Some is junk some is very high quality.
You get what you are willing to pay for!
 
CenTex Farmall is correct, there is NO WAY there is a 450 hp motor in that pickup....MAYBE 4 - 50 hp motors....

None the less, its not the electric vehicle itself that will get us owed by the chinese, its the synchronous motors that will, the worlds majority of precious metals that are required for them are in china....and as the world moves towards those types we will see an issue....

Maybe electric vehicles are needed to force a redesign and upgrade to the national electric grid. That could be a good thing

Most farmers i know have a small pickup to run around in and have the big pickups when they need it.

The good thing about a "free" and "capitalist" society is you have the right to choose to buy an electric vehicle or not, and i get there are those that say get rid of the subsidies, and while i am in that camp, i am in it 100%, to the extent that i would rather see a federal flat tax of 2% across the board, cut out EVERYTHING and lets states deal with the issues they want, and if a state wants to invest its money in projects like wind turbines, nuclear, or hydrogen powered vehicles then have it, and you have the right to live in that state or move to a state that is more in line with your beliefs.

Its when people draw such hard lines against ideas that they dont like is when we start closing down and losing in general. Lets push the boundaries on ideas and tech like we have as a country for the last ~250 years....lets face it, government has been one of the reason why tech has been pushed, whether through war, or through grants...double edge sword
 
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(quoted from post at 06:57:06 05/09/19) As I understand it, they are working on a contract with the Post Office to use these trucks. We all know how well the P.O. works.
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The Post Office works extremely well. There aren't too many organizations that work as efficiently.

You Luddites are going to be crying in your beer when China floods our nation with top quality electric vehicles. But just go ahead and stick your head in the sand.

These first vehicles are baby steps. Like the Model T and the other early vehicles. But your daddies and granddaddies predicted the end of civilization due to them.

Once a manufacture come up with a 300 mile range truck, the diesel for day run and peddle runs is going to disappear totally.

Instead of Naysaying and bemoaning the inevitable, why don't you guys get out in front and urge your elected representatives to promote and fund electric vehicle research and development? Possibly the your grandchildren won't be beholden to Asia for their technological breakthrough's.
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There are right now no known battery technologies that will make battery powered vehicles feasible in the near future. And the government is funding battery research. Has been sense battery powered 2 way radios where used in combat. Anyone who served when the AN PRC 77 radio was the man pac radio knows how large and heavy those batteries were. It's in the interest of national security to make batteries last as long as possible and be a light as possible. Heck we were using Lithium batteries in the military in the 80s. And in the mid 90's nicads were the rage for the civilian sector. But knowing an engineer who works in battery technology what I'm being told right now NO NEW BATTERY TECHNOLOGY is on the horizon. And the military, Army, Marines and Navy, especially special ops what batteries to power communication devices for longer periods and with less weight. Right now there are working to meet requirements not with new batteries because there are none but by making the equipment use less power. So why on earth should the government pay even more to develop an electric car? I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it can't be done right now.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 06:33:29 05/09/19) There is no Magic Bullet it takes fuel/energy of some type to move people and loads of whatever around.Electric as said still has to have electricity generated to keep them going plus large
very heavy batteries with limited loads and distance they can travel.A non starter as far as I can see.Seems like someone would be working on running vehicles off natural gas
since it doesn't pollute like other fuels and we have loads of it here in the USA and it very reasonably priced.
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The more demand you put on natural gas the more it's going to cost. It's that simple. Generating electricity with NG and heating homes will take priority over NG vehicles as far as the government is concerned.

Rick
 

There is money and power by creating a crisis and getting everyone scared . Then being the only one to come along with a solution, for a price .
 

Pete, electric cars DO NOT HAVE AN IC ENGINE. That is a hybrid car, not an electric. So no, you cannot power drive across the country in an electric car. You will have plenty of time to sleep while the car recharges.

Now part of the problem is charging these vehicles. Our current infrastructure will not support it. Heck in the summer CA already has rolling brownouts due to demand because of AC and fans. And the evidence is in. Solar and wind together can't make up the difference. People are demanding the dams come out killing off hydro electric. And we are killing off coal fired electric production. NG is there but not as efficient as coal. So that leaves nuclear. And people are scared to death of that.

Rick
 
When the government steals my money to
support your electric car, that is not a
capitalist society. That is communism. If
you think you are saving the world with
your dirty battery, and that makes you
happy, then good for you. Just don't steal
my money to do it with. It is a proven fact
that it takes more fuel to generate
electricity to charge a battery and then
use that energy to run a car than it would
take to run the car directly with a engine.
Don't believe me? Ask an honest engineer or
buy some engineer books and find out for
yourself. The only way electric cars can
save fuel is with the use of solar or wind
energy.
 
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Pete, electric cars DO NOT HAVE AN IC ENGINE. That is a hybrid car, not an electric. So no, you cannot power drive across the country in an electric car. You will have plenty of time to sleep while the car recharges.

Now part of the problem is charging these vehicles. Our current infrastructure will not support it. Heck in the summer CA already has rolling brownouts due to demand because of AC and fans. And the evidence is in. Solar and wind together can't make up the difference. People are demanding the dams come out killing off hydro electric. And we are killing off coal fired electric production. NG is there but not as efficient as coal. So that leaves nuclear. And people are scared to death of that.

Rick
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omeone said, 'why do electric vehicles need to look so goofy" or something like that. Well, maybe you can have a Tonka truck.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a23712174/bollinger-b2-electric-pickup-truck/
 
And every seems to be ignoring the electricity needs. All manufacturing requires electricity and lots of it. So do our homes. So BEFORE we jump on the electric powered car/truck bandwagon, where is all this extra electricity going to come from? Right now the infrastructure just won't support dramatic increases in demand.


The tree huggers are suing to force the removal of dams, been winning too. Almost everyone wants to shut down coal fired plants. Keep increasing the demand on NG and home heating cost are going to skyrocket. Wind and solar are proving to be a joke. And folks, with some justification IMO, are scared to death of nuclear.

Now add in the factor that electric vehicles and hybrids have a terrible resale value, add in the cost of electricity, strip away the subsidies and what's the cost?

Just not feasible at this time guys.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 12:42:56 05/09/19) And every seems to be ignoring the electricity needs. All manufacturing requires electricity and lots of it. So do our homes. So BEFORE we jump on the electric powered car/truck bandwagon, where is all this extra electricity going to come from? Right now the infrastructure just won't support dramatic increases in demand.


The tree huggers are suing to force the removal of dams, been winning too. Almost everyone wants to shut down coal fired plants. Keep increasing the demand on NG and home heating cost are going to skyrocket. Wind and solar are proving to be a joke. And folks, with some justification IMO, are scared to death of nuclear.

Now add in the factor that electric vehicles and hybrids have a terrible resale value, add in the cost of electricity, strip away the subsidies and what's the cost?

Just not feasible at this time guys.

Rick
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where is all this extra electricity going to come from?" From China & India!? While in the USA we are killing coal generation left & right (15 remain at last count), the rest of the world has 5600 and building more everyday. May need some big under sea cables though, or ship your batteries to China for charging. :twisted:
 
I don't think that technology is intended for rural areas or for long distance travel. I can see hybrid technology being very useful in urban and suburban applications that make a lot of short runs and frequent stops, like: delivery vehicles; municipal buses; garbage trucks, maintenance trucks, taxis, etc. The urban and suburban markets are many times larger than the rural market.

The ugly truck is just what is popular today, the technology could be fit in into most any type of motor vehicle.
 
Sure hope the woodburner doesn"t emit sparks, and light the bale on fire...would have to go back for another bale...not efficient.
 
(quoted from post at 23:46:25 05/08/19) Why does anyone need 450 HP? It seems like we got around just fine with 200. I guess everyone wants 0-60 in 4 seconds and be able to pull an overloaded 5th wheel 80 mph on the freeway!
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Yes!!!!!! I have been saying this for quite some time myself. For instance my 99 F150 with the 5.4 2V puts out about 260HP and a lot of torque. It moves me well in and out of freeways and did very nicely going through the mountain ranges on my way home from Seattle. That level of power is considered anemic to your modern truck enthusiast. Why? Because for some reason they seem to need over 400HP in a purely street driven truck. Why? Because you want to dangerously tow some heavy back hoe over 90MPH on a crowded freeway or a steep grade? When is enough simply enough? So you mean to tell me in ten years we'll have street driven trucks gas or electric putting out 600HP at the wheels?!?!? Come on man!!!
 
It's not "electrophobia", it's common sense, science, and real world feasibility...
I got NO need for an EXPENSIVE electrical vehicle that severely limits my ability to travel.
 
I have made a mistake. I was thinking of battery powered only. With a hybrid power the efficiency would be higher than engine power alone because a smaller engine could run at it's maximum efficiency all the time and battery power would only be used to accelerate or to pull a hill, plus you can recover some wasted energy with regenerative braking. I'm thinking that it should have much more range than 80 miles. A 1.9L engine should pull that truck by itself on a level road. Maybe that 80 mile figure is on battery alone? I know that trains run diesel engines with a generator that drives electric motors. I wonder which is more efficient, a diesel electric or a diesel and transmission. I'm thinking diesel and transmission. I need to look that up in some of my old engineering books. Do the hybrid cars and trucks have a transmission or does the engine just drive a generator?
 
Could be, Barnyard, but Henry, Durant, the Dodge brothers, etc., made do without taxpayer money.

Dean
 
"The Post Office works extremely well. There aren't too many organizations that work as efficiently."

What!?

Are you serious!?

Dean
 
If I had the money,I'd have an electric vehicle for the wife to drive to town and for me to run after parts.
 
LOL, guys look it up. If you want to power Fargo ND with wind alone you have to have 3, that's right 3 40 square mile wind farms. All in different locations. Just to insure and uninterrupted flow of electricity. IF you are thinking storage batteries? Don't. What happens when your one wind farm has no wind for 4-5 days? That's for a very small city. Population less than 300,000. I know they claim to make about 10% of our power off of wind and solar. I want to see know if that is 10% or all power used or 10% of off peak demand? Pretty easy to play with numbers. Kinda like all this noise about electric cars. Tesla made about 140,000 cars for world wide distribution last year. Total US sales were less than 400,000 vehicles. Total new vehicle sales in the US last year? Over 17,000,000! What 5.7% of sales? Only 5.7% of the buying public want an electric car? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 15:46:25 05/08/19) Why does anyone need 450 HP? It seems like we got around just fine with 200. I guess everyone wants 0-60 in 4 seconds and be able to pull an overloaded 5th wheel 80 mph on the freeway!
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You got it. Same reason a new half ton can tow what you used to need a 1 ton dually for.
 
(quoted from post at 14:49:10 05/09/19) If I had the money,I'd have an electric vehicle for the wife to drive to town and for me to run after parts.
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Yea but then you'd have all new equipment too and would no longer hang out here with us........

Problem here is battery is it's a 6 month vehicle at best. Cause the other 6 months it's too cold to use em. I loved Tesla's solution to range in the winter.......don't run the heater? When it's -20 or -30 you ain't supposed to run the heater?

Rick
 
I've gotta tell you folks,the only problem I have with the future is that I won't be in it.
 
A short history of the world:
10,000BC: Did you see that silly kid in the cave next door. He is running around with this thing called a wheel. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.
1900: Did you see that silly kid next door with this thing called a tractor. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.
1990: Did you see that silly kid next door playing around on this thing called the internet. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.

And yes I know that an electric truck is so different from any of the inventions above. Stupid, will never work.
 
(quoted from post at 17:02:53 05/09/19) A short history of the world:
10,000BC: Did you see that silly kid in the cave next door. He is running around with this thing called a wheel. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.
1900: Did you see that silly kid next door with this thing called a tractor. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.
1990: Did you see that silly kid next door playing around on this thing called the internet. Stupid, why would we ever need that. Will never work.

And yes I know that an electric truck is so different from any of the inventions above. Stupid, will never work.
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Most of us are not saying it won't work. We are saying it won't work right now. Once the obstacles including infrastructure are overcome? Who knows what will work. Think about lithium ion batteries were developed in the 70's. NASA and the military began using them in the 80's. Civilians were still using Nicad batteries into the early 2000's. And no one is expecting any major breakthrough in battery technology anytime soon. Plus the issues with the infrastructure.

Pointing out the issues.

Rick
 
Just curious - who is demanding an electric pickup? A 110 years ago the internal combustion engine went from a curiosity to dominated the world as a means of transportation in about 25 years because people wanted it and demanded it. The electric powered car was around 110 years ago also - not so much.....
 
The electric train dates back to the 1830's. Cars right after that. Saw a milk truck, the kind that delivered to your door that was electric in a museum. Was built and used in the 1920's. So really nothing new. An electric car held the land speed in 1900. They were not practical back then and to be honest really are not practical now.

Think about it. The car was supposed to replace the horse. That meant as much as possible it was supposed to be independent in movement provided it didn't need an umbilical cord. Well it does. It's called fuel. But that can be carried with you giving considerable range into remote areas. Extension cords don't work that well.

I just have several question about the validity of electric vehicles. Biggest one concerns emergency services when the power is out after a major earthquake or catastrophic storm. If the power is out as it is for days we now have people stranded in masses and totally dependent on the government to save them.

Rick
 
Yes, that is Valid reasoning,,supply and demand, fueled by the desire to want, and have a use for a particular piece of equipment that fits the needs of the time. The evolution of modern equipment is very interesting.
 
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