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JUST PUT NEW STARTER ON AND FORGOT WHERE THE CABLES GO THE TOP POST ON SELNOID I THINK THE POSITIVE AND ANOTHER 90 ANGLE CABLE AND A RING TERMINAL THATS THE PROBLEM DONT KNOW IF THE RING TERMINAL WITH 2 WIRES WAS ON THE TOP POST OR NOT IN FACT I PUT IT ON AND WHEN I PUT BATT CABLES ON IT SPARK OVER ON THE ALT WITH THE 2 WIRE RING TERMIAL PROBLEM WAS IT WOULD NOT START SO I PUT A NEW STARTER OR COULD IT BE IN THE SWITCH ON DASH COULD USE A WIRING DIA I AM AT A LOST ON THIS :cry:
 
Like my coworker always said someone didn?t pay
attention. He taught me one trick I found helpful
that is the wire length will usually match up with the
place it is supposed to connect
 

Slewfoot1, welcome to YT! But while some of us are somewhat hard of hearing, most are not so please stop shouting.
 
(quoted from post at 15:11:05 04/25/19) Like my coworker always said someone didn?t pay
attention. He taught me one trick I found helpful
that is the wire length will usually match up with the
place it is supposed to connect
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thats true but there is a ring terminal that has two wires no14 or smaller that can fit either post that wire goes to ground but for forgot which post it went on
 
One of the terminals is connected to the starter motor and will read low resistance. The other will be infinite
resistance, (open) the cable from the battery goes to the one that is open. Jim
 
maybe i misspoke the ring terminal has both wires crimped to it small wires maybe no 14 it went on the top post or bottom i put it on the top then install batt pos cable on then touched batt cable to neutral post and it caused the wire on alt grd to get hot quick about 2 sec then i took it of quick the orginal problem was when you turned key it would click click then it would crank next day you turn key and nothing so i put a new starter on and (i would like to meet the eng who design the 4630 make a preacher cuss ) but i am at a loss where that two wire ring terminal went on the selnoid
 
A real reason to take the photo BEFORE you remove the wires. To late now, one just has to start placing wire where you KNOW they came from then figure out what is left. You say large ring with two wires , more that likely it goes on top of the hot cable . Probably all you needed was a better battery, tighter connection or solenoid to begin with. Doubt that you needed a starter.
 

Not sure about the model but a photo in my shop manual shows a large ring terminal with two small wires connected to the ground post on the front of the starter motor.
Called them component grounds.
If you where getting sparks with those wires connected to the hot post try them on the ground.

By the time the 30 series was introduced the wiring on these tractors had gotten complicated, way more than needed.
A couple I worked on with cranking issues traced back to the pto safety switch or it's wires.
 
don't know a thing about this starter. maybe post some pictures of your problem. its so easy with a picture. I remember the old chevy's starter solenoid. the Run terminal had the thinner wire and the Start terminal had the heavier wire. don't even know what kind of cables you are talking about. positive or ground or what. got a phone take a picture. easy peazy then.
 
(quoted from post at 19:16:06 04/25/19)
Not sure about the model but a photo in my shop manual shows a large ring terminal with two small wires connected to the ground post on the front of the starter motor.
Called them component grounds.
If you where getting sparks with those wires connected to the hot post try them on the ground.
could be it will try how about the relay in fuse box its 70 amp IGNITION LOAD relay by the way its a 4630 ag tractor would have replied but had to sleep in va.
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Year model would help as I have seen 2 completely different fun boxes on these tractors depending on the year it was built.
My book only shows a small part of the early 30 series wiring, for later models there 2 boxes on the wiring system.

If the dash warning lights come on when you turn the key on that 70 amp rely is working.


This is a photo of a 94 model fuse box cover.
When the key is turned on power goes thru fuse #21 to the pto safety switch, then thru the neutral safety switch to start relay #I, once the start relay is activated it allows the start circuit from the key with to the starter solenoid to operate.
If there's a issue with the pto safety switch, transmission neutral safety switch or the wiring from those switches the starter will no engage when the key is turned to the start position..


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(quoted from post at 11:08:15 04/26/19)
Year model would help as I have seen 2 completely different fun boxes on these tractors depending on the year it was built.
My book only shows a small part of the early 30 series wiring, for later models there 2 boxes on the wiring system.

If the dash warning lights come on when you turn the key on that 70 amp rely is working.


This is a photo of a 94 model fuse box cover.
When the key is turned on power goes thru fuse #21 to the pto safety switch, then thru the neutral safety switch to start relay #I, once the start relay is activated it allows the start circuit from the key with to the starter solenoid to operate.
If there's a issue with the pto safety switch, transmission neutral safety switch or the wiring from those switches the starter will no engage when the key is turned to the start position..


yep thats mine i got my in 92 ,only the 70 amp relay in my box however i put that two wire ring terminal on bottom stud of solenoid and turn key to start and fire flew from grd wire on alt so i took it off and just let it lay and tried again engine cranked and ran all lights worked alt charged so i might leave it un hooked but i would love to know what it was for its factory wiring so it must be for something ,also i might find a bolt on block and hook there then see what it does one of my main trouble was not looking at pto leaver i had left it engaged when i cut off engine it just bugs me about that wire probably get me a service manual if i can find one getting to old for this
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Not the bottom stud on the solenoid, it becomes hot when cranking.
There's a stud on the nose of the starter motor that is the ground connection.
That's where the two small wires are connected in my book.

For some reason my photo's aren't updating in order to post
 
(quoted from post at 13:48:02 04/26/19)
Not the bottom stud on the solenoid, it becomes hot when cranking.
There's a stud on the nose of the starter motor that is the ground connection.
That's where the two small wires are connected in my book.

For some reason my photo's aren't updating in order to post
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yea i should have known i will go down to shop and try to see what you are talking about so you have a pic of that you must have a service manual still bugging me why they are there unless its for some other accessory
 
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