What is it worth post!!! LOL

JD Seller

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A very good friend of mine had a stroke four years ago. He has recovered but still has some issues. One being he has little strength in his left leg. So driving a manual transmission is a no go.

Now for the "What is it worth" part. He has a 1993 F350 4x4, 7.3 diesel, manual, Crew cab dually pickup. He bought it new. It has never seen salt. It only has 33,000 miles on it. It has set since he had his stroke. He called me to help him get it running. Bad batteries, drained the fuel, changed the filters. Just minor things to get it up and going for him. All it ever did was pull his camper to/from Florida each fall and spring. He has a second car that he stored there so it never was driven very much empty. This truck is 10 out of ten for condition. I am really interested in it for myself. He and I both are scratching our heads on what its true value is. I am thinking high teens to maybe twenty. He was thinking much lower based on what he gave for it. If I buy it, I will give him FULL market value. Not going to cut a good friend on this kind of deal.

So what do you fellows think??? Color is Candy apple red metallic, really sharp looking. I would not drive it in the winter either. I have beaters to get salt soaked. It would be nice to go to shows in and maybe out west.
 
13,000 would be my offer. A 93 has age even if looking pristine and not scared up. Wiring and rubber components age and though operating may have grief down the short road. Jim
 
I would bet it would bring in the upper 20s at an auction. It?s a natural aspirated 7.3 correct? My old 91 would out pull most Cummins back in the day, but it had a tendency to burn out the exhaust manifolds about every 50,000 miles. Blew lots of smoke and was terribly LOUD. It had over 400,000 miles on it when I gave up.
 
I have about the same thing, 74,000 miles 1993 f350, as nice as it is 9 to 10 grand, it has the old idi motor. it's an old truck. Ford is not going to be much help.
love those old square fords.
 
I am thinking 18,500.00. One owner low mileage. JD if you do not want it, I am a hundred miles south of Ainsworth.
 
93 to 19 is 26 long years. High teens? Really? I might do 15K if, IF, I had the money. I have an '87 with the 6.9 and it's a nice dinosaur. I am looking eventually for the crew cab 4X4 and I should be looking for a dually. Eventually. The utmost issue being dried up seals and gaskets that will leak upon usage. I would anticipate an engine R/R to replace trans input seals/rear main into the purchase price. So your high teens might be in order once you take that into consideration.
 
if you go to Edmunds dot com you can put the information in and they will tell you what its worth. they will tell you the market value, real value and trade value. Kelly blue book is another place to look. personally being the truck is a 1993 that makes it 26 years don't see a lot of value in it.
 
Go to NADA guides and get the values from rough trade in to high retail and get a good idea of value from them
 

No need to guess , Kelley Blue Book will give you trade in , fair market , car lot prices .

93 f350 4x4 extended cab 33,000 miles 7.3 diesel excellent condition , private party price $5128 to $6791 , trade in value $3498 to $4287 for my zip code , your will probably be different .

https://www.kbb.com/
 



remember a 96 will not pull anywhere a newer truck. my 2013 350 will pull 27500 (rated) on the gooseneck and do easily and stop it easily. I have done a lot more when hauling hay. My 2002 was rated 13500 on the goose and had heck doing it and stopping it was a wing and a prayer...... So while the 96 WAS a great truck at that time, its pull rating and even more important, its stopping rating will be very slight by todays standards. If you want to run around with 6k or less, it will do it, but not fast. 210hp , 425 lb of torque, a garret tp35 turbo and direct injected..if the web page is correct. 210 ponies is not a lot of giddyup. for a 925 lb engine (dry)....THE E40D was problematic if towed hard. torque converters would not hold up. went through two rebuilds due to the converters going bad on our 96. Again, was great back then, but a f150 will do better today. For light loads they were and still are a very good truck. 3.55 rear end would get you 19 to 22 mpg if babied..3.75 and 4.11? each dropped 3 mpg minimum. 4wd also cosl you a couple so a 4wd 4.11 would get you around 14mpg on a very good day of hyway. 10.5 to 12.9 was common for mixed driving. and an auto tranny cost you a bit more. I can still remember the 96 running rings around my 85 6.9 diesel.
 
From what I've seen around here it COULD bring a pretty penny. That generation in any truck has pretty high resale value for collector status.

If it is as nice as you say, I would say easily $15,000, possibly more. I suspect the KBB / NADA on the truck is about $7000.

For example, I bought an 1983 K20, NADA in excellent condition was $3200, I had to have it appraised for insurance, and they appraised it at $10,500. It is a gorgeous truck, in perfect condition, and is extremely desirable, the right guy would pay it.

Same goes for you, supply and demand, how many of those trucks with 33000 miles in that nice of shape are left in USA? VERY few.
 
I would put the high end at 10-12k. Honestly if the guy wanted to spend time to put the thing on nationwide websites or auctions it would probably bring more but realistic everyday pricing is probably closer to my figure. There is not a strong market at all for those older trucks, at least at the more local levels. At the end of the day this truck is 26-27 years old, the age and sitting can negate the mileage to an extent. Nothing wrong with an old N/A IDI but most people don't want them anymore, at least at prices they can get modern diesels (or better) ones for. Banks won't loan on an old truck, so that narrows the market down to cash only.

I would be curious what dealer lots would value that truck as a trade in. You could try it if you had access to the truck and a little time. Trade in value is going to be around 2k less than private party maybe a little more.
 
I think your friend that owns it is correct. $10,000 to $13,000 tops to someone that really wants it. I bet that is above high book value. It's old and not a collectible.
 
If a non turbo ford out pulled a gen one Cummins they must have pulled two injectors out of tht Cummins so you wouldn?t get your feelings hurt
 
Gave 5500$ for this one it?s a 93.5 build date 370,000 miles
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I didn't think they made one like that either. Pretty easy to build one, but don't think it came from the factory like that.

David
 
I am sure they did not in 1995 because my neighbor bought a dodge to get 4x4. I have a 95 and 96 f350 4x4 srw. Btw are you the one who posted antelope pic beside casenutty?
 
(quoted from post at 21:04:43 02/21/19) If a non turbo ford out pulled a gen one Cummins they must have pulled two injectors out of tht Cummins so you wouldn?t get your feelings hurt

For that matter even a Turbo IDI couldn't out pull a Gen 1 Cummins, definitely not a gen 2, not even a DI could
 

In my neck of the woods he would be lucky to get 6/7K out of it and it would not be a quick sale...

Mother nature never goes to sleep I can see someone spending thousands on maintenance items... Brakes, tires, fuel system, cooling system, oil leaks its ready for someone to buy the truck over again replacing everything back to dependable...
 
(quoted from post at 18:17:27 02/21/19) There was a guy locally selling two trucks of that vintage and similar, if not quite as fine, condition. He was asking closer to $20K each. Both sat on CL for a quite a while. Recent check shows one that will no doubt, be exactly what a JDSeller wants to drive:
https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/mishawaka-1996-f350-powerstroke-air-lift/6821739696.html
ust because some idiot puts 20k into a truck, doesn't make it worth 20k. Not to me anyway.
 
Just a thought JD if you and your friend want to find a fair value of the truck suggest to him consigning it to a well advertise farm auction. You can bid on it and he and you can have peace of mind.
 
JD Seller. In my area that truck will sell foe about $14,000 to 18,000 depending on options. About 12,000 trade-in. That I according to dealer friend that I talked to a little bit ago. Highly sought after truck around this area. YMMV Good truck if treated right. Being a stick makes it more so as the ZF5 is solid.
 
Dont forget the 5.7 diesel! My dad had one in an 81 Pontiac, got good mileage and ran on cheap farm fuel. He got over 250,000 miles out of it! He drove alot for work and got paid milage,figure it paid for its self several times.
 
(quoted from post at 19:54:47 02/21/19) A very good friend of mine had a stroke four years ago. He has recovered but still has some issues. One being he has little strength in his left leg. So driving a manual transmission is a no go.

Now for the "What is it worth" part. He has a 1993 F350 4x4, 7.3 diesel, manual, Crew cab dually pickup. He bought it new. It has never seen salt. It only has 33,000 miles on it. It has set since he had his stroke. He called me to help him get it running. Bad batteries, drained the fuel, changed the filters. Just minor things to get it up and going for him. All it ever did was pull his camper to/from Florida each fall and spring. He has a second car that he stored there so it never was driven very much empty. This truck is 10 out of ten for condition. I am really interested in it for myself. He and I both are scratching our heads on what its true value is. I am thinking high teens to maybe twenty. He was thinking much lower based on what he gave for it. If I buy it, I will give him FULL market value. Not going to cut a good friend on this kind of deal.

So what do you fellows think??? Color is Candy apple red metallic, really sharp looking. I would not drive it in the winter either. I have beaters to get salt soaked. It would be nice to go to shows in and maybe out west.

Putting a value on things and "friendship" are usually mutually exclusive, in the long run.

If you REALLY "need" it and are REALLY "close" friends, GO for it.

Otherwise, why not list it for sale and see what the market will bear?
 
For some reason I'm thinking they might have made a 4x4 dually in a cab/chassis formation at that time, but I don't really know. I'm not an expert by any means. I don't think I've ever posted any antelope pictures. We do have a herd that at times is on our place, but I don't remember ever taking photos of them.

David
 
I paid about $6500 for a 93? F250 gas 4x4 with the 5.8 engine. 65k miles. Last year. I replaced the starter already and muffler last week. I am thrilled with it and the deal. I expect to be replacing a number of things as time goes by. Water pump, radiator, heater core, brakes. I own a 1989 F250 for 25 years and replaced them.
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I would guess around $16k. Low mileage trucks of that vintage have good chassis value. After buying it, I would slap the Banks sidwinder turbo kit on it. Makes gobs of difference in value and towing.

The trans needs a big, big cooler up front to tow big loads.

I had a 92 F350 crew with the 7.3 and Banks turbo. I would tow plenty over the rockies to lake Powell. The engine is pretty bulletproof, I sold mine with 280k miles and it was doing fine. I also put the load leveler air shocks and compressor on it to keep it level. Towed a 28' triple axle boat with no problem.
 
If it was a Powerstroke 7.3, it would be worth 10K easy. Being the old IDI diesel and I doubt it's turbo'd, 5K, only because it's 4x4, low miles, and in as good shape as you say. I bought a 01 Powerstroke 7.3 4x4 three years ago from a dealer for 13K.


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David I would think long and hard about putting a turbo kit on it. I have also seen an intercooler kit too.

What is really drawing me to this is just how good of condition it is in. I have been under this truck several times this week. There is ZERO rust on anything. The paper stickers are on the majority of the parts on the under side of the vehicle. The seats have covers on them. He says no one has ever smoked or eat in it.

This is as simple of a truck as you can buy. ZERO computers running things for you. A truck like this one new would be $60-70K???? I can work on anything on this truck. Also I would not put 3000-5000 miles on it each year. Maybe not even that many.

Another big thing too is it is not near as tall as the new trucks are. My wife can get in it easier then the newer trucks. I hate the BIG 20 inch tires and a foot of wheel well showing over the tire, on these new trucks. I am not going hill climbing or mud bogging with a pickup truck.

Not sure if I will buy it but I have never been sorry when I have bought excellent condition equipment.
 
Excellent condition with that low highway miles,the right person would pay very good.I'd think 10K$ would be cheap from what I see these high miles trucks sell sell for and most are
ratted out.
 
I had a 6.5 in HD3500, never knew if it was gonna start or if would just quit going down the road, had the electronic controlled injection pump,, PURE JUNK
 
Except the truck in question is not an automatic. It's got the zf 5 spd, pretty good manual. Virtually bomb proof behind that kind of power.
 
Good riding truck glow plugs seem to need changed occasionally but everything is easy to work on I had a 91 with banks power pack on it and really miss that truck
 
Every penny. I am not happy with my newer truck and all it's automatic electronic junk. None of that, no DEF, pay enough to keep him happy and smile all the while.
 
Well, now you have some answers. From around $5,000 to nearly $30,000. So, you now know as much as you did before you asked.

I would suggest looking into getting a professional appraisal and then making an agreement with the seller on a price that will satisfy you both.

The answers that you got here remind me of an old saying. A man that has a clock always knows what time it is. A man with two clocks never knows what time it is.
 
Let me put a different tack on this.

If it were my truck and you were my friend, I'd give you the truck knowing that it's going to a good home and you are a man of your word and will take care of it like you describe. With one stipulation: Give me a ride once in a while.

I bet there's not one of us on this forum that do not have an emotional attachment to our truck. Yes, some good and some bad, but it's a part of who we are.

My 2 cents,

Larry
 
That's a tough one it is almost 30 years old and I guess antique value starts to come in? In the long run whatever you and him decide on. You could try to find ones that sold in similar condition(the comparables method). Now can you write it off tax wise as a farm truck? LAST SEEING ITS A FORD I WOULD HAVE TO DEDUCT QUITE A BIT FOR THAT!!!
 
Kelley Blue Book is horrible when it comes to something uncommon. It does not deduct enough for extremely high mileage nor does it add enough back for extremely low mileage. If it is truly in the condition described (slick looking and ready to hit the road with good brakes and tires) I'd say the numbers are probably a little less than double the Blue Book values listed.
 
It sounds like you're willing to pay more than he thinks it is worth, so just ask him to put a price on it, and tell him not to cheat himself. I'm finding as I get older that the price I pay is not as important as getting something that's the way I want it.
 
If that truck is 26 years old and basically original with only 33,000 miles and looks great you are going have to take into consideration its age. Your going to have seals and other things that you can't see that will need replacing just because of its age. Buy it at a price that you can afford to put money into it without going overboard.
 
Most of what guys are saying about value is probably true 10-13k I have seen many of this variety being sold in my area. The one you have there seems to be much nicer than ones I've seen for that money. Locally that truck wouldn't make it to the street with a for sale sign for less than 18-20k. Our market may differ here. There are a lot of 30 somethings that want a 60-70k truck but can't make that happen. They would gladly pay 20 if not more for a [b:f2830641f4][color=darkred:f2830641f4]Candy Apple Red[/color:f2830641f4][/b:f2830641f4] dually diesel with standard and 7.3 in near showroom condition. Visions of push bars, lights and other goodies dancing in their heads. These guys with young families can convince their pretty little wives that it's a real deal. The unfortunate side is the guy who just needs a truck for more practical purposes has to compete with that. There is quite a bit of gas field income that makes it easier for them. You won't drive by a house without seeing at least one 4x4 parked there. But that's our market.
I have assumed from your previous posts and answers to my own questions (thanks by the way) that you know what you've got there and don't really need any of us telling what you need to do. If it was me I would have to ask myself a few questions and go from there.
Do I really want this truck?
Am I doing it for me or my friend?
What would I pay if he wasn't my friend?
Your friend would probably never hold it against you for a lesser price but the minute you take it home they'll be ten guys banging on his door saying they'd given twice that. I just know how that goes.
IMHO in your situation by what you've described I'd offer around 18. Sounds like a nice one and I would be glad to own it.
 
I own a 1991 Ford F-350 XLT dually with the 7.3 IDI and a 5 speed...Its a nice driving truck but its absolutely worthless when you hook a gooseneck trailer to it....A sick 350 Chevy will out pull it...Its still a clean truck with 170,000 miles on it and I cant give it away...

As for value the 1993 might bring $5-10K in my area if you just plan on using it like a car.....IDI powered Fords don't sell well here..
 
You use your"s as an everyday driver makes big difference than a vehicle that sets around and gets very little use. That truck has been driven 1,300 miles a year and set the rest of time. shocks seals and grommets will dry rot as do body mount grommets. Take the rear drums off see how much rust around and condition of seals on wheel cylinders. You will find other things that have deteriorated from just setting. I know this to be a fact because I did that with a new truck and put no miles on it and any good mechanic will tell you the same.
 
Hello, would you know what a Ford 4500 skid loader with a serial number of DONN 6015 is? I can't find DONN anywhere. Thank you.
 
Ford did make a F350 4X4 crew cab dually in 1993 and 1995. You can find them in any of your auto trader books.
 
I would give him $14K in one envelope and $4k in another. Stipulate the 4K is yours to ise for parts repairs for a year, What you don't use is his to keep.
 
Older diesel pickups are very popular, almost a status symbol, with 20 to 35 year old guys that can't afford an expensive new truck. The truck really isn't worth much as a working truck doing heavy duty towing any more. But it will sell for a high price as a sharp looking low mileage daily driver with enough seats to hold the family and can tow a boat or a travel trailer on weekends or a vacation.

I suspect if the owner advertised it for anything under $20,000 in any of the Chicago, Minneapolis, Madison & Milwaukee or the St. Louis areas, it would be sold for very close to the asking price within a week.

Myself, I would not pay that much for a 26 year old vehicle.
 
idi fords with no turbo do lack power. So if the 7.3 has no Turbo, it is going nowhere fast. My '87 6.9 goes no where fast, but should do it for about 1/2 million miles. It should outlive me and that is if I was using it for a daily driver.
 
The Banks Sidewinder will solve the towing problems. They also have a shift command module that makes it shift properly, but this one has the manual, so no need of that, and no need for a cooler.

Mine towed up and down 10,000' with a big boat for several years, and I wasn't in a rush, but I had no trouble going over I70 Vail passes.
 
The 6.9 and 7.3 IDI's will run forever but are severely short on power for pulling heavy loads...Even adding a turbo doesn't do much for them as they are 21-1 compression and 5-7 lbs of boost is about it.....To make serious horsepower with them you need to put 17-1 pistons in them so you can put the boost to them and make about 250 horsepower..When a guy buys a dually he buys it to pull loads...My 1997 Ford F-350 with a 460 pulls much better and gets the same mileage loaded as the old IDI did..

IH told Ford they would factory turbo the IDI engines for $300-400 extra and Ford claimed it was too expensive and that they didnt need it..Boy,were they ever wrong..
 
(quoted from post at 17:29:18 02/22/19) The 6.9 and 7.3 IDI's will run forever but are severely short on power for pulling heavy loads...Even adding a turbo doesn't do much for them as they are 21-1 compression and 5-7 lbs of boost is about it.....To make serious horsepower with them you need to put 17-1 pistons in them so you can put the boost to them and make about 250 horsepower..When a guy buys a dually he buys it to pull loads...My 1997 Ford F-350 with a 460 pulls much better and gets the same mileage loaded as the old IDI did..

IH told Ford they would factory turbo the IDI engines for $300-400 extra and Ford claimed it was too expensive and that they didnt need it..Boy,were they ever wrong..

So, turbos don't help --- but they need it?

With respect, unless you owned and drove a turbo 7.3, you are sorely mistaken. Or if you had one and it was a dog, then you didn't have it setup right. My 92 with the Banks was limited by the turbine inlet temp of 1450F, the turbine wheel begins to melt at 1700F. The kit has a temp and pressure gauge pair, which can be seen in the Banks website pic of the turbo kit. I could boost to at least 8PSI while flirting with the temp limit. I think the boost limit valve was set at 10.5PSI, but I could be wrong, it's been a long time.

I would take a 7.3 with a turbo over pretty much anything other than a newer Cummins with turbo of the 2003 vintage, which is a completely newer design setup, and a fine puller.

I'm guessing that not many people ponied up for the Banks turbo. It's pricey but woke up the engine quite a bit.
 
As at least one other has stated. To be fair to the seller and buyer, put it on a well advertised auction and then you can buy it. Just be prepared for a low price, and a high price. You just never know.
 
IH told Ford they would factory turbo the IDI engines for $300-400 extra and Ford claimed it was too expensive and that they didnt need it..Boy,were they ever wrong..

There were factory IDI Turbo engines in 93/94. In 1994 there were 3 diesel engine options ( IDI, IDI turbo & DI). THe IDI turbo was not a powerhouse, a small but noticeable increase in power, especially if you removed the ridiculously restricted down pipe then maybe add a little more fuel and timing.

Contrary to popular belief the IDI turbo engine was not just a regular 7.3 N/A with a turbo added. The turbo engine was built stronger, improved head gaskets, pistons, rods, rings, oil cooler etc. It had a different injector pump and injectors than N/A.
 

I thought the turbo powerstroke came out in 1994-1/2... I am thinking about buying a rollback its a 7.3 1994 F450 he says it has a turbo on it... I need to call him and get the vin...

A 7.3 exhaust back pressure valve delete and a 3" down pipe does wake them up...
 

I wanted to say one more thang about the early 7.3 non turbos they will not win a drag race but do well once you get them moving... Even then you are not gonna step on it and blow by somebody like you will on a later turbo 7.3...
 
Location, location, If you live in the great white north of salt land there is a demand for that truck. Maybe in the south, or south west it is just an old gutless truck, up here not many left. I have a 94 factory turbo 4x4 from Texas. I bought it 20 years ago and never drive it in salt. I have guys stopping in here every other month or so asking to buy it. It looks good and sits most of the time. I have had guys offer 8k just off the farm. Many say it was the best looking body style ford built. Al
 

It may look great but its confining to me I fell squeezed locked in not able to move and grab I like the next generation body style better...
 
Check out Zomerbid.com John Meerbeek auction. I don’t know how to make a link. Online auction he has a ‘95 F-250 with 27000 actual miles. It’s a 460 not a 7.3 but might get you in the ballpark.
 
Reminds me of the adventure of my former business partner and his cousin, they were getting into empty-nest camping big time, and wanted cool tow rigs for their mini lodges. Late 1970's Lincoln Town Cars with 460s fit the bill, his cousin found one South Side of Chicago, 22 years old 7K miles. Driving home on brand-new-looking Michelins they started to blow up! Now, where do you find a good tire shop on Sunday afternoon of Labor Day weekend in downtown Gary, Indiana???
 

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