Super C changing oil and oil filter

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

I just ordered some Castrol 10W-30 motor oil along with a new oil filter that fits a Formal Super C.

When I change the oil and oil filter, should I drain the old oil, then refill the old oil and drain a second time to clean out the oil system?

I am new to tractors, so any advice of what to do when changing oil and the oil filter is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, John

craigco · Feb 19, 2019

Doesn't seem necessary to me. Just run
your engine to get it warm and drain the
oil. Put in your new filter and oil and
enjoy the tractor. What dirt and sludge
in there has been in there for years.
Putting the used oil back in there isn't
going to take it out.

rustred · Feb 19, 2019

years ago they would flush with kerosene, drain old oil and leave filter on. then just start and STOP engine like 10 seconds worth. dont forget no lubrication qualities here so dont run engine. it flushes oil galleries and old oil out. I use any old junky engine oil or hydraulic oil for flushing. can run it a few minutes this way and not so hard on brgs. if you want to get real picky you can remove the oil pan and clean the sludge out of it also. no sense putting the old oil back in. plus always drain when engine is hot. good luck. you have picked a good oil to use.

teddy52food · Feb 19, 2019

Just warm it up before you drain it. Change the filter & make sure you dig out the old gasket at the filter base. Then watch the new oil, if it turns dark soon after, change it again.

DeltaRed · Feb 19, 2019

Just warm it up good and drain. No flushing should be needed,unless it's been 'forever' since it was changed,or sat non running for 'hundred years'.Look at when it comes out,see if its white/gray,goopy,etc,then flushing may be in order. As was said,if oil gets black immediately,then drain again.Castrol is an expencive,high end oil,Right? Not necessary.I use Tractor Supply oil in EVERYTHING. Just about any 10/30,15/40 oil will work in the old worn engine. It's not a high rpm,close tolerance,high heat engine.No need to spend extra money. You can use the same oil as you use in your car or pickup.Easier,less confuseing,no mixups because you inadvertently put the 'wrong' oil in it(or your pickup)

jimg.allentown · Feb 19, 2019

Why make it complicated? You are not going to undo many years of work and wear on the engine with an oil change. You will help to extend the life of that engine with an oil change. As already said, just warm it up, drain the old oil, change the filter, and put new clean oil back in.

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

Thank you everyone! Like I said, I am new to tractors and vehicles in general (I do not own a car, but will be buying one soon, I am 18) so even something as simple as changing the oil and oil filter is a little new to me.

John M · Feb 19, 2019

Before you even start, make sure the filter comes with a new gasket. The old one may be hard as a rock and seem like its not
there, but it is and needs to be chnaged.

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

It says the oil filter I bought comes with a new gasket.

One more oil question, should I fill it up with all 5 quarts of oil and then leave it be, or should I open up the upper test cock and drain out any excess oil even if that means less than 5 quarts? I read something about how the oil in the filter can make the level seem lower than it actually is, but after letting the tractor sit for a while, the oil from the filter drains back into the main crankcase oil compartment and the level goes back up. Hopefully what I am asking makes sense.

GordoSD · Feb 19, 2019

I recommend you drop the pan after you drain the old oil. Odds are there is an inch of sludge there.Use some diesel fuel and a stiff brush and clean it well. New pangasket and add new fresh oil.

John M · Feb 19, 2019

Open the petcock and fill it until it just starts to come out. There wont be enough left in the filter housing to matter.

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

(quoted from post at 12:22:24 02/19/19) I recommend you drop the pan after you drain the old oil. Odds are there is an inch of sludge there.Use some diesel fuel and a stiff brush and clean it well. New pangasket and add new fresh oil.

Is a new pan gasket necessary or could I just clean up the old one?

timcasbolt · Feb 19, 2019

(quoted from post at 18:31:22 02/19/19)

(quoted from post at 12:22:24 02/19/19) I recommend you drop the pan after you drain the old oil. Odds are there is an inch of sludge there.Use some diesel fuel and a stiff brush and clean it well. New pangasket and add new fresh oil.

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Is a new pan gasket necessary or could I just clean up the old one?

The old gasket will likely be too brittle to reuse. Dropping the pan to clean is a good plan, but it is more work, and might be beyond your comfort level at this point in the learning curve. ymmv

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

The old gasket will likely be too brittle to reuse. Dropping the pan to clean is a good plan, but it is more work, and might be beyond your comfort level at this point in the learning curve. ymmv

Tim,

Thank you for the advice. I think I am going to skip dropping the pan, because you are right, it is a little beyond my comfort level at this point.

Is there any reason for me to change the transmission fluid, or should I just check to make sure that it is at the correct level?

thastinger · Feb 19, 2019

Make dang sure that you get the old o-ring style gasket out of the oil filter housing and install the new gasket.

timcasbolt · Feb 19, 2019

(quoted from post at 19:29:24 02/19/19)

The old gasket will likely be too brittle to reuse. Dropping the pan to clean is a good plan, but it is more work, and might be beyond your comfort level at this point in the learning curve. ymmv

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Tim,

Thank you for the advice. I think I am going to skip dropping the pan, because you are right, it is a little beyond my comfort level at this point.

Is there any reason for me to change the transmission fluid, or should I just check to make sure that it is at the correct level?

I think it's the same situation as the oil pan. You will want to change the fluid and clean as much as possible eventually, but there's time for you to get more familiar with things before you take that on. I doubt you are going to be working your tractor very hard for a while.

gab · Feb 19, 2019

First thing, does your oil pressure gauge show any or much pressure with a warm engine. If not there's a good chance the oil pump cover is warped and gasket blown, happens to all of them, not hard to repair but pan has to come off.

Kid Shileen · Feb 19, 2019

Always do the easiest thing first. Warm up the engine. Shut it off and drain the old oil. Then remove and replace the filter.I smear some clean oil around
the filter gasket to help it seal faster. Some people put a little oil in the filter before they install it. Might want to inspect the old oil for metal shavings or
other crud that might indicate a problem. Don?t forget to install the drain plug. Fill with the correct amount of oil and fire it up. Check for leaks and oil
pressure. If it all checks out you should be good to go. On a tractor this old there are bound to be some minor leaks, cross those bridges when ya get
em.

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

So do you think it is actually necessary for me to change the motor oil and the oil filter, or should I just check to make sure the motor oil level is correct right now?

tractorsam · Feb 19, 2019

I wouldn?t change the transmission fluid unless it
seems to need it. What I would do is leave the
tractor parked somewhere level where you can get
at it overnight, then in the morning loosen (not
completely remove) the transmission drain plug. If
there is any water (which there probably is) let it
drain out. Have a look at the oil that leaks around
the plug when the water is done draining and let us
know what it looks like. Sam

JohnV2000 · Feb 19, 2019

Ok, I do not think I will change the transmission fluid right now.

Do you think I should change the motor oil and oil filter right now, or wait a couple weeks or months until I am more comfortable with the tractor and am able to drop the oil pan?

Is cleaning the oil pan really that important?

John

Leroy · Feb 19, 2019

Always replace ANY paper or cork gaskets if you take things apart, usually they eill be stuck and tear if you try to get things apart. Now a rubber gasket you MAY be able to reuse bot no guarente on that. And the 41 H we had that we got in 49 had the panoff was when the engine was overhauld in the late 60's early 70's and notoff again when traded off in 84. Unless you have low or no oilpressure or you find bits of something in the oil when you drain it and do that when it is warm do not consider pulling the pan. And with the tranny oil the reason unless you see water-discoler is you do not know what has been put in there, it could be half gun grease and other half motor oil so knowing it has the proper oil in just for peace of mind for reason to change when gotten.

Leroy · Feb 19, 2019

The only thing with using same oil as in car or truck is the newer vehicals and that included my 2006 called for a 5-20 oil instead of the 10W30 or 10W40. you put the weight for the farmall into a newer car it might make car problems.

Rich'sToys · Feb 19, 2019

(quoted from post at 14:11:40 02/19/19) So do you think it is actually necessary for me to change the motor oil and the oil filter, or should I just check to make sure the motor oil level is correct right now?

I like to change the oil whenever I get a tractor, just for my own satisfaction. Then I know what is in there. I would probably not drop the pan right now. As mentioned, if it gets dirty real quick after the change, then change it again, and maybe then consider dropping the pan.
And, as also mentioned, after you change the oil and start it up again, make sure you have oil pressure and also check the drain plug and around the filter to make sure there are no leaks.

JohnV2000 · Feb 20, 2019

Thank you for the help guys! Also, thank you for staying patient with me as I ask a lot of questions and try to learn as much as I can about tractors.

Sincerely,

John

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