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Patsdeere

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I'm headed to an auction Saturday and the
advertisement says to bring all your own
equipment and people to load anything of
weight. Is this normal for an auction?
Seems crazy to not have a forklift or
anything. Normal??

If they are that lame, would you, if at
the auction and bought a
forklift/bobcat/backhoe, help somebody
load something that was way beyond what
even 4 people could load? Say a gun safe
or small rock crusher or 6 hp hit and
miss engine?

Thanks
 
Sometimes happens at auctions where pretty much everything is low value. The auctioneer figures that he will lose money on the sale if he has to provide a loader and an operator. I bought my 148 loader at a sale where it was noted that the auctioneer would have a loader available until 6PM and no further time-wise. I had to bring it home in two moves so I had no time to waste with the auction location over 25 miles to waste. As it was the 148 did not sell until after 3PM that day.
 
In my neck of the woods at a household type auction the auctioneer might announce to the crowd the buyer can to talk to him after the sale of the heavy item to privately arrange loading.
 
Should have just drove the tractor there and mounted it, weather permitting. Cousin bought tractor in one town and drove it 20 miles to take the 148 loader off of another tractor and put it on his then drove the tractor and loader 30 miles home.
 
Would depend on the situation, helping one guy out is no big deal, but what do you do when 20 more line up behind him wanting help loading?

New to me machine that I am not familiar with operating then probably no as I am not yet comfortable using it yet.

A new to me machine I need to check it out before I am going to do anything with it; oil, coolant, brakes, steering, hydraulics etc.

Don't need the hassle of ;

-You dented my?????
-You scratched my truck
-You backed into my????

I was at one sale that had a forklift for sale and the auctioneer stated once sold it could not leave until the heavy items had been loaded out.
I used it to load a 80 gallon compressor I bought at the sale, it ran like a turd, flintstones steering and had no brakes.
No way I would have loaded someone elses stuff with it.
 
I've seen it several different ways. 1) Auction company provides a loader. 2) There is a "for hire" loader on site, usually something like $20 an item. 3) Auctioneer announces the loader tractor that is being sold on auction is going to be sold under the terms it remains on site for loading upon completion of the sale. 4) Auctioneer announces the loader tractor being sold is the only loader available, and it will be up to the new buyer if they wish to use it for loading items or not. Best to listen close, and ask auctioneer questions, if unsure.
 
Rember to tip they loader operator,the next time he will remember to load you first
 
Is the auctioneer new at this? Most of the time there'll be arrangements with a neighbor or something to have loading for at least a limited time.
 
At the time I did not own the tractor the 148 went on. At the time it was noted that theft was a problem and the auctioneer was not responsible past dark of the auction day. No way I could have gotten any tractor there before dark and the landowner did not want people there once it got dark. I just used the 1/2 ton PU in two trips and I was on my way home with the second portion when 6PM came. Probably easier in some respects than when I towed a forage harvester nearly 80 miles from home back after an auction. Rural but two lane with a fair amount along a twisting river that made it hard to move over for traffic. Had to go over a bridge reduced to one lane for construction and I would bet my side clearance was only a few millimeters collectively.
 
I've been to a pile of auctions around here. I've never been to one that didn't hire a few young fellas to run loaders and mini excavators to load equipment. Personally, I don't think I would attend an auction that didn't. If they don't have the resources for that, it's likely to be a rinky dink outfit that's poorly run.
 
How in the world can the auctioneer demand new owner must stay and provide loader? It's my loader now and I will do whatever I dam well please.
 
Don't know if push came to shove they actually could force it, but I've seen it where they tractor is sold, and an employee of the auction company uses it to load items. Not common, but seen it happen............
 
Easy answer; the auctioneer makes an announcement prior to bidding that it will be used for loading BTDT
 
(quoted from post at 12:16:19 02/06/19) How in the world can the auctioneer demand new owner must stay and provide loader? It's my loader now and I will do whatever I dam well please.
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I've been to many sales where they don't offer loading.
Sale I went to last Saturday did not have a loader available, except the one they sold at the sale. It sure didn't hurt it's price - Case 1840 for $13,500. The week before that, they didn't even have a loader to sell.
 
That used to be sort of common, sell the loader tractor but it was reserved to load out before the new owner could take it.

Paul
 
Right, I can't believe it could be enforced. What are they going to do? call the sheriff? "arrest that man. He took his tractor and went home"
 
(quoted from post at 12:44:59 02/06/19) Right, I can't believe it could be enforced. What are they going to do? call the sheriff? "arrest that man. He took his tractor and went home"
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The purchaser of the loader equip only pays the buyers premium when the hammer drops, and makes a contract promise to pay in full at the end of auction. The new buyer doesn't actually own the loading equip until he fulfills his contract by paying at the end of the load-out.
 
The purchaser of the loader equip only pays the buyers premium when the hammer drops, and makes a contract promise to pay in full at the end of auction. The new buyer doesn't actually own the loading equip until he fulfills his contract by paying at the end of the load-out.
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You're talking about a different type of auction than some of us. At most farm or consignment auctions here, as soon as they say "sold", I can walk to the booth and pay my bill. And at that point I can load up whatever I bought and go home.
 
yeah. you'd like to be a nice guy but in today's world you almost can't be.

same thing if the auctioneer is using your loader you just bought to load other people. if something got damaged or someone got hurt you could still be liable somehow. they usually announce that they are "not responsible for items once sold". in that case they have no right to use it either.. what happens if they break it?? ooops. sorry for your luck??

it would be hard to enforce if you refused even if the auctioneer made an announcement that it would be available. only thing he could maybe do would be to sue you for breach of a verbal contract but that would be a tough suit and not worth the effort and the bad publicity for them.

you could also go up to the auctioneer and say i'll be happy to bid on that but only if its NOT available for use after you accept my bid.

the liability could be why the auctioneer doesn't have a loader available.

i've been to consignment auctions where the auctioneer has one of his own farm skid loaders there to load stuff. he personally even loaded some things for me. the new auction house that bought his consignment auction does it too. but its run by some very shady aamish auctioneers so we quit going and definitely do NOT take anything to sell. what a shady bunch of shysters. at another one of their auctions for an estate they had a shill bid up a freezer a friend of ours was bidding on. he caught on and stopped bidding. when he went to check out they offered/begged him to buy it. they have also played favorites to their friends and families in the crowd with low bids and even gave an item that my wife had won the bid on to one of their friends and he took off and she had to argue with them to take her bidder number off.
anyway.. another of my aamish rants for today..
 
(quoted from post at 16:14:03 02/06/19) Just because they don't offer loading doesn't make an auctioneer shady.
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You're right, it doesn't. But at the very least, it makes them cheap. And cheap auctioneers are also often "shady" in the ways they try to make a little extra money. Like hiring shill bidders, and splitting items that that are supposed to be together, like selling a loader bucket separate from the tractor/loader it's off of.
 
In my area either the seller or the auction company offers free loading the day of the sale and often 1 day after, especially on the large sales....After that you are pretty much on your own unless special arrangements are made...You usually have 1-2 weeks to get it off the property but I have seen a 3 day limit..I've only been to one sale where you had to pay for loading...
 
I've been to a lot of them that have no way to load anything. I usually buy quite a bit because the prices are a lot lower. The auctioneer is really doing the seller an injustice when they do this. Before I got my skid steer, I would arrange for a neighbor to bring a loader and I would pay him for his services. I made more money so it was worth it for me. If I go to one that does not have a loader available, I ask if I can come back the next day and have never had a problem with my purchased equipment not being there when I go back after it and usually end up loading someone else while I'm loading mine too. I have never charged anyone to do this, I have my equipment there and it only takes a few minutes to help someone else.
 
At most farm auctions your on your own. That?s why I have a tilt bed trailer and a skid loader to load my own stuff. I?ve seen people buy something then get mad and leave a sale without paying. If you can?t load your own stuff don?t bid.
 
The buyer owns the equipment as soon as the auctioneer says sold,not after he pays. If they hold the
loader equipment till after the sale there is a lot of liability involved. Your all going to get sued if someone
gets hurt using the tractor you bought to load. What happens when they reserve a loader tractor and
someone drops something on the hood. I bought a loader tractor at a farm auction.The auctioneer said
they reserved it for two hours after the sale to load people. I told him to put in writing that he would be
responsible for any damage or anyone getting hurt.
 
You're talking about a different type of auction than some of us. At most farm or consignment auctions here, as soon as they say "sold", I can walk to the booth and pay my bill. And at that point I can load up whatever I bought and go home.
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Of course, that is true - EXCEPT for the case where the auction has reserved the loader equipment for service in loading other lots. I've seen it a couple times, but I'm not a regular at midwest auctions.
 
Hi I bought a big backhoe bucket at RITCHIE BROTHERS AUCTION at Surrey BC . I paid $800 they added 10% because it was under $2000. I was very, very pizzdoff! I wrote them a letter. The seller had to pay them and so did I. $160 is robbery to sell an item in a couple of minutes.
 
I have never been to a farm sale that there was not a loader avaible. And any auctioneer knows that those shill bids if complained about will be investigated and if found to be trur he is no longer an auctioneer plus a big cost to prove he did not do the shill bid and also possibly a big fine. So any onest auctioneer will not knowingly do anything like that. Any that do that should be reported. Several years ago famimly member was calling a sale and somebody claimed the owner was running up item that the auctioneer did not even know who the owner was. It cost him plenty and a year or more to get things settled and it was finally proved the owner was a few states away when item was sold, not close to grounds where sale was that somebody was claiming owner was at biding his item up. If they could not have eventually proved where the owner was at that time the family member auctioneer and the auction company he was working for could never have done an other auction. The auctioneers are to smart about that to ever let what you are saying they are doing as they would be out of a job plus very big fines.
 
(quoted from post at 15:22:14 02/06/19) The buyer owns the equipment as soon as the auctioneer says sold,not after he pays.
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Good luck with that. Next time you buy something after the hammer drops, go ahead and load it up and drive away. No need for money to change hands, someone said 'sold'.
 
Leroy, I took a semi tractor to be sold a local consignment that seems to be very successful and well thought of. When it came time for my truck to sell I was sitting nearby with my son and daughter in law. I had put a minimum on it and when the bidding stopped short of the minimum one of the guys in the auctioneer's truck was watching us like a hawk, watching to see if I was going to try to raise the bid. I don't do that kind of stuff and the truck didn't sell. I ended up paying the auctioneer $50 for the no sale. Even though I had to take the truck back home I gained a little more respect for the auction company for trying to keep the sale honest.
 
You must not have read or listened to the auctioneer before the auction started.Terms of the auction are usually plainly posted and or explained by the auctioneer before the bidding
starts.Many auctions I go to these days require the terms of the auctioned be signed off by the bidder before they can get a number.
 
Ed do you realize how much auction companies make selling huge parcels of land? Only takes a short time to do that! What about high dollar collector auctions? It's has nothing to do with how much time it takes to auction an item off!
 
So what if you had bid? You couldn't make anyone in the crowd bid against you if they didn't want to.If you'd hit it a time or two someone might have decided to keep bidding when it went past what you wanted to get you would have gotten it sold and the buyer would have gotten the truck at a price they wanted to pay.What would be the problem? If someone tried to buy it one on
one from you in person they'd have to pay your minimum so what'd be the difference?I go to sales where there are owner buy backs no big deal to me no one can make me bid more than I want to
bid.
 
Law in the Commonwealth of VA is once the auctioneer says SOLD and records your number the item is yours and you are obligated to pay for it,even if its stolen at the auction
you are the owner and still have to pay for the item and its enforceable in court.I have been to auctions where the buyer on larger items actually has to sign the card that records the
bidders number that 1)the bidder bought the item and 2)the price recorded is correct.
 
fb, paul, M nut, etc....we"re all in the same area...MN Nice. At a consignment auction, typically a loader is available, and we wait our turn, just like in kindergarten. And tipping the loader guy is recommended. Farm sale, again, wait your turn,farmer will typically load your item. Farm sale with no loader, and as I"ve gotten older, I find a local farmer that I can contract with for the next day...tip enough for him to buy his wife a dinner that night. MN smiles all around. Bought a 630 JD 7000 near SD a dozen years ago...we split the planter, he wanted the liq fert, I wanted the planter. I got the better deal- 630 7000 for $1325! Dropped him an envelope with a Ben in it as I left the yard...said take your wife out to dinner...It was a consignment sale, didn"t realize he was a dairy farmer until I picked it up at his farm..he was a dairy farmer and milk prices were better then than they are now.
 
What he was doing was looking to see if you by chance wouls say let it go with less than your minimum sale price you had asked for. Even if you put a minimum you can say forget that minume bid if you want to let it go to highest bidder. By not responding you told them the minum bid was going to stand so there would be no sale. Usually they will come over and ask you personaly if you wish to let go for the top bid or not but they were hoping you would take the signle to say let sell or stop sale. This is nprmal and following the law.
 
Aditional comment. If you had noded yes he would have sold it at the top bid, noding no would be let minium stand and your no responce was the same as noding NO.
 
I guess you forgot Ritchie also listed it on the website, took pictures and ran a full description. They spent just as much time on the $800 item as they did a $50,000 item.
 
I know Ritchie does on their online site. Never been to one in person even after spending over a half million on them in the last couple of years.
 
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