Gonna jump on the rant bandwagon

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I've been looking for a small dozer to buy,so today I go look at a 1959 TD6 with a factory turbocharged D282(kinda rare).It looked to be in pretty good condition.I get there and the owner gets out a can of huff to start the thing,its fifty degrees today.Before he tries to start it I tell him this engine has glow plugs,he says really?Then I show him the glow plug meter on the dash and I push the button for the glow plugs and it pegs the meter like it's supposed to.He says wow! my dad and I have owned this dozer for over fifty years and neither one of us knew that!I'm thinking to myself this can't be good.So he hits it with huff and then hits the start button and engine fires up and its maybe running on one or two cylinders then it picks up another one or two cylinders,so then its maybe running on five cylinders.And that's as good as it got and all the while it's smoking pretty good too.I tell him the engine has a dead hole,and he says it has ran this way since they had it!Told him I'm gonna have to pass on this one(thinking broken rings or worse).It's a real shame to ruin an otherwise good engine just by simple ignorance and/or not knowing the proper srarting procedure for this engine.I used to own a IH 656 with the same D282 engine and unless engine is warmed up good this engine requires using the glow plugs.Again what a shame.Don't understand how someone could not know their machine better than that but I also wrench for a living and have seen lots of issues from simple neglect.Ok rant over...job security right?

Paul
 
Too bad on the dozer. Land Lady had a IH 656 utility tractor with that motor in it. You had to glow plug it on a a hot summer day. It always ran just a little rough. Even after replacing the injectors and having the pump done. Valves set correct. Just never ran smooth like most other IH motors.
 
JD Seller,her tractor was probably low on compression either from worn rings/cylinders or valves hammered into valve seats.The D282 in my 656 was a very smooth running engine...once warmed up did not need glow plugs.Also the 300 and 400 series IH diesels are an outstanding engine...they start easy and make good power.I know as I have farmed with them for a long time.

Paul
 
Too bad, sounds like he fouled up the engine over time. If done correctly, glow plug engines can be good starters when cold too. Mine has started fine cold at 28 degrees with 15-20 seconds plug heat..
 
Would that be the same engine as 560? Neighbor I do haying together with has a 560 and someone put a turbo on his. So then they had to put an air cleaner from a J.D. combine on it so it could get enough air. That thing needs the glow plug on a 90 degree day but once it's running it is the neatest thing to hear running. Real smooth and kinda a throaty sound with that air cleaner. I love running the thing for him. It sure isn't much to look at though. Straight but must have set outside for 50 years. I keep telling him he should paint it but he likes it just the way it is. Green air cleaner and all.
 
So, back in the fall I bought a Massey TO-35 from a guy. He owned it for 18 years he said. Was used to bush hog his 3 acres of back yard weeds a couple times a season. After looking it over I could tell he had never changed the oil, the transmission fluid was milky white and the oil bath air cleaner had some goo in it, 3-4 hickory nuts and maybe the remains of a dead mouse. The breather screen was clogged. I overpaid easily by a few hundred at the open market price. But, I bought it because despite those issues, the engine started right up and ran smooth. I figured he didn?t use it enough to wreck it. Big risk. Anyway, So far it is a solid machine. I personally pour over the manuals for anything I own. I try to run all my machines gently. Since I fix just about everything myself and can?t do the hard stuff and we are in the hay business, I am of the serious opinion an ounce of breakdown prevention is worth a ton of hay $$$.
 
I was at an auction in early March a few years ago they had an Oliver 1365 and were trying to start it.I asked the old guy I figured worked for the auctioneer if he wanted me to fire it up since I have a couple I use at home.He got real huffy he was the owner gave me bunch of stuff about he'd owned it for 20 years etc knew what he was doing.The guy's son came over after the old man left and asked me if I could start it so I went over hit the preheat and fired it right up.After we talked apparently the old man only used the 1365 on his vegetable farm in the Summer and never needed to cold weather start it.
 
How was the undercarriage? A crawler with a poor engine might not have a lot of hours and not a lot of wear on its undercarriage. I agree that improper operation and maintenance is a red flag that extends to the entire machine.
 
(quoted from post at 01:01:49 01/20/19) I've been looking for a small dozer to buy,so today I go look at a 1959 TD6 with a factory turbocharged D282(kinda rare).It looked to be in pretty good condition.I get there and the owner gets out a can of huff to start the thing,its fifty degrees today.Before he tries to start it I tell him this engine has glow plugs,he says really?Then I show him the glow plug meter on the dash and I push the button for the glow plugs and it pegs the meter like it's supposed to.He says wow! my dad and I have owned this dozer for over fifty years and neither one of us knew that!I'm thinking to myself this can't be good.So he hits it with huff and then hits the start button and engine fires up and its maybe running on one or two cylinders then it picks up another one or two cylinders,so then its maybe running on five cylinders.And that's as good as it got and all the while it's smoking pretty good too.I tell him the engine has a dead hole,and he says it has ran this way since they had it!Told him I'm gonna have to pass on this one(thinking broken rings or worse).It's a real shame to ruin an otherwise good engine just by simple ignorance and/or not knowing the proper srarting procedure for this engine.I used to own a IH 656 with the same D282 engine and unless engine is warmed up good this engine requires using the glow plugs.Again what a shame.Don't understand how someone could not know their machine better than that but I also wrench for a living and have seen lots of issues from simple neglect.Ok rant over...job security right?

Paul

If the tracks and rollers were real good it still might be worth buying. You can rebuild and engine, can't rebuild tracks.
 
The 656 diesel is one tough engine. But if the glow plugs do not work it will not start on the 4th of July if the shed it is in is on fire. Neighbor had one as his big tractor on a dairy farm. The engine had blowby so bad he would tie a gallon jug on the breather tube. The next morning he would dump the collected oil back in the crankcase. He never changed the oil just added some. That tractor ran for years like that. Tom
 
Yes, the 282 was in the 560. I have a TD9B dozer with the same engine. Not sure, but thinking the 706 was the same. 282 might have an issue with breaking cranks.
 

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